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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Gloominary » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:51 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:Gloominary, don't waste your time with Peter. He isn't worth the effort.

While I haven't had the displeasure of conversing with Peter until now, from what I have read from him so far, I'm practically certain you're right about that.
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Gloominary » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:05 pm

What does a lumbering idiot do when you argue it's wrong to destroy someone's life solely on the basis of accusation?
Does he even attempt to make a counterargument somehow?
Of course not, that would be too difficult, he just hurls more accusation, at you, or anyone else who gets in his or his parties way, and people, or at least his idiotic ilk, eat it right up.
'You're a rape apologist'!
'Or you just hate liberals, because I'm a liberal, and I can't imagine having a debate about this with someone who's not a conservative, and doesn't hate liberals as much as I hate conservatives, because that's how 3 dimensional, and rational, I am'.
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Zero_Sum » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:25 pm

Gloominary wrote:What does a lumbering idiot do when you argue it's wrong to destroy someone's life solely on the basis of accusation?
Does he even attempt to make a counterargument somehow?
Of course not, that would be too difficult, he just hurls more accusation, at you, or anyone else who gets in his or his parties way, and people, or at least his idiotic ilk, eat it right up.
'You're a rape apologist'!
'Or you just hate liberals, because I'm a liberal, and I can't imagine having a debate about this with someone who's not a conservative, and doesn't hate liberals as much as I hate conservatives, because that's how 3 dimensional, and rational, I am'.


To understand Peter you must understand that neo liberalism is the voice of God and anything contrary to this neo liberalism is Satan. That's all you need to know.

In his eyes you're Satan incarnate and CNN, NPR, or MSNBC neo liberal news rags is his version of the apostles. It's the world perception he has limited himself to.

Also, he's an ex communist or so he says anyways.
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:36 pm

the simple reason I didn't respond the points gloomy made was
they aren't relevant to his post.... his post was simply bashing liberals
and the method he used was about the very serious problem of the rape culture
in America..... I don't need to respond to a post that's only value is to attack
liberals and liberalism..........

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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Zero_Sum » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:38 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:the simple reason I didn't respond the points gloomy made was
they aren't relevant to his post.... his post was simply bashing liberals
and the method he used was about the very serious problem of the rape culture
in America..... I don't need to respond to a post that's only value is to attack
liberals and liberalism..........

Kropotkin

Me Too! :lol: Yeah whatever, I don't care really.
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:00 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:
Gloominary wrote:What does a lumbering idiot do when you argue it's wrong to destroy someone's life solely on the basis of accusation?
Does he even attempt to make a counterargument somehow?
Of course not, that would be too difficult, he just hurls more accusation, at you, or anyone else who gets in his or his parties way, and people, or at least his idiotic ilk, eat it right up.
'You're a rape apologist'!
'Or you just hate liberals, because I'm a liberal, and I can't imagine having a debate about this with someone who's not a conservative, and doesn't hate liberals as much as I hate conservatives, because that's how 3 dimensional, and rational, I am'.


To understand Peter you must understand that neo liberalism is the voice of God and anything contrary to this neo liberalism is Satan. That's all you need to know.

In his eyes you're Satan incarnate and CNN, NPR, or MSNBC neo liberal news rags is his version of the apostles. It's the world perception he has limited himself to.

Also, he's an ex communist or so he says anyways.


K: I have had multiple political positions in my life and I have had multiple
philosophical positions......I have had three distinct and different political
positions in my life and at least 5 philosophical positions and in the process of
changing my philosophical position as we speak.....no one is the devil because there
is no devil... and no god either, just people.....I don't watch CNN or NPR or MSNBC....
unless there is some breaking news I am interested in... as in today, with the firing
of Tillerson from the State dept.....but the most interesting point made here is about
perceptions...... we are our experiences and our perceptions of those experiences....
that is what a human being is........ unlike you, I have escaped my childhood
myths, habits, prejudices and superstitions..... I hold a different political position
then my mother... my father is long dead and I don't know what his political position
was.......do you hold a different ideals then your parents or are you still in the
chains of your childhood training.... in other words, I suspect that your views were
formed as a child from the teachings of your parents, school, media and you never lost
those views....you are being held by the chains of your past because you lack the
courage of an attack on your convictions..... instead you believe in the courage of
your convictions... which is another chain you live with...... as for hate... I have
no need for hate.. I leave that for conservatives because they are so in love with the
negative emotions and so in love with the lower or instinctual emotions like hate,
anger, lust, envy.... I shall stay with my higher emotions of love, peace,
hope, justice, tolerance and equality......

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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Zero_Sum » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:10 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:
Gloominary wrote:What does a lumbering idiot do when you argue it's wrong to destroy someone's life solely on the basis of accusation?
Does he even attempt to make a counterargument somehow?
Of course not, that would be too difficult, he just hurls more accusation, at you, or anyone else who gets in his or his parties way, and people, or at least his idiotic ilk, eat it right up.
'You're a rape apologist'!
'Or you just hate liberals, because I'm a liberal, and I can't imagine having a debate about this with someone who's not a conservative, and doesn't hate liberals as much as I hate conservatives, because that's how 3 dimensional, and rational, I am'.


To understand Peter you must understand that neo liberalism is the voice of God and anything contrary to this neo liberalism is Satan. That's all you need to know.

In his eyes you're Satan incarnate and CNN, NPR, or MSNBC neo liberal news rags is his version of the apostles. It's the world perception he has limited himself to.

Also, he's an ex communist or so he says anyways.


K: I have had multiple political positions in my life and I have had multiple
philosophical positions......I have had three distinct and different political
positions in my life and at least 5 philosophical positions and in the process of
changing my philosophical position as we speak.....no one is the devil because there
is no devil... and no god either, just people.....I don't watch CNN or NPR or MSNBC....
unless there is some breaking news I am interested in... as in today, with the firing
of Tillerson from the State dept.....but the most interesting point made here is about
perceptions...... we are our experiences and our perceptions of those experiences....
that is what a human being is........ unlike you, I have escaped my childhood
myths, habits, prejudices and superstitions..... I hold a different political position
then my mother... my father is long dead and I don't know what his political position
was.......do you hold a different ideals then your parents or are you still in the
chains of your childhood training.... in other words, I suspect that your views were
formed as a child from the teachings of your parents, school, media and you never lost
those views....you are being held by the chains of your past because you lack the
courage of an attack on your convictions..... instead you believe in the courage of
your convictions... which is another chain you live with...... as for hate... I have
no need for hate.. I leave that for conservatives because they are so in love with the
negative emotions and so in love with the lower or instinctual emotions like hate,
anger, lust, envy.... I shall stay with my higher emotions of love, peace,
hope, justice, tolerance and equality......

Kropotkin


Yeah, I am still ignoring you. Save the text space for somebody that cares Peter.
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:16 pm

Zero: Yeah, I am still ignoring you. Save the text space for somebody that cares Peter."

K: and the first honest thing you have written... you don't care..... at least
you are honest about that.....

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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Zero_Sum » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:17 pm

:lol:
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Gloominary » Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:42 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:the simple reason I didn't respond the points gloomy made was
they aren't relevant to his post.... his post was simply bashing liberals
and the method he used was about the very serious problem of the rape culture
in America..... I don't need to respond to a post that's only value is to attack
liberals and liberalism..........

Kropotkin

You're a sexist piece of shit, and you couldn't philosophize your way out of a tiny cardboard box or paper bag.
You're not here for honest, open and thoughtful dialogue, not even in the slightest, you're here for diatribe.
I refuse to set an example of feeding trolls like you, and other jerk offs.
Now get the fuck off my thread.

And there is no 'rape culture' in America, perhaps there's a rape sub-subculture, but there's no rape culture, on the contrary, but why don't you post a new thread on the subject and how liberals are so much more peaceful and loving than conservatives, and refrain from muddying this one up any further than you already have.
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby WendyDarling » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:02 pm

Gloom,
I appreciated your last post before the edit. :wink:
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Gloominary » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:04 pm

WendyDarling wrote:Gloom,
I appreciated your last post before the edit. :wink:

:lol:
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby URUZ » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:43 pm

Not even about man-hating feminism, it’s more about respecting the rule of law and common sense. You know, those things that leftists (totalitarians).... don’t care for.
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Gloominary » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:52 pm

UrGod wrote:
Gloominary wrote:
Urwrongx1000 wrote:Blind accusations serve appeals to emotion and feeling. It feels like something is being done, by accusing others of wrongdoing. It doesn't need to be based on truth or reality. The fantasy is enough. Spreading rumors and gossip, is enough.

This marks the degeneracy of public discourse as well, when, false rumors and lies are enough "content" to satisfy the common people. It marks an apathetic society.

I'm not sure mainstream liberals are capable of having a rational debate or discussion anymore, it seems they're only capable of emoting, slinging mud and making threats.
They're like a herd of dumb animals, one or two of them gets spooked by what they thought was a predator lurking in the shadows.
They begin running and before you know it the whole herd is stampeding, trampling on whatever's misfortunate enough to get in their way, including reason, justice and innocent people.


Yep, what do you think I’ve been saying this whole time?

Leftism is braincancer.

As you probably know by now, I myself hold some positions typically regarded as leftist.
I support socialism and environmentalism, so long as they're what I see as executed properly.
Where I take issue with liberals, and where a growing number of people from all sides of the political spectrums take issue with them, conservatives, independents, even from within the liberal party, is their anti-white, Christian male agenda, often masquerading as liberty and equality for women and minorities.

But moreover, it's gotten worse, it's gotten to the point where they no longer believe they owe us any debate or explanation now.
Anyone who disagrees with them, even in the slightest, even diehards from within their own ranks are immediately misconstrued, derided, vilified and branded a racist, homophobic, sexist, Islamophobic Nazi, and swiftly socio-politically ostracized.
I mean even if you staunchly disagree with conservatives, at least republicans these days generally have the decency to, just keep on explaining themselves and their position as best they can, without resorting to name-calling, defamation, slander, threats and other extreme underhanded tactics.

There's an alarmingly growing sense of entitlement and mob mentality now, and it's alienating more and more people from them.
It's gotten way out of hand.
They can just say and do whatever they want.
X is accused of rape, you express any doubt whatsoever, you're a rape apologist and so on.
This mentality has to stop, and if it doesn't, we're probably going to start seeing mob lynchings if we haven't already.

Arguably conveniently for the economic establishment, liberalism has become less about the economy, which used to be quite literally their meat and potatoes, their bread and butter a few decades ago ('it's the economy, stupid'!), and more about protecting women and minorities from discrimination at any cost, including the cost of protecting men and the majority from discrimination, in fact, it has become plain discrimination against men and the majority, and it has got to stop!

Behind all this I think the elite is knowingly fanning and fuelling the flames at least, if not downright lighting them themselves, between women and minorities and men and the majority, as part of the ol', divide and rule tactic, so they can continue looting us all left, right and center.

even socialists and capitalists can agree on some things at least.
We both think 'crony capitalism' or corporatism is bad, that megabanks and corporations shouldn't be receiving corporate welfare, tax loopholes and so on.
Where we disagree is whether just eliminating the systemic and widespread corruption is enough.
I say it's not, for starters corporations have been looting us blind for decades if not centuries now.
Merely removing the existing corruption is insufficient.
The corporations have been getting monstrously rich off this corruption for far, much too long.
They owe us trillions of dollars in reparations, but anyhow, at least it's a starting point, and I think both socialists and capitalists can agree the central banks are completely corrupt and need to be destroyed.
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Gloominary » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:25 am

UrGod wrote:Not even about man-hating feminism, it’s more about respecting the rule of law and common sense. You know, those things that leftists (totalitarians).... don’t care for.

Right on.
Not respecting the rule of law is the worst crime.
They fallaciously and dangerously equate being accused of something with being convicted.
I don't think all 'leftists' (not even sure there is such a thing as leftism, so much as a hodgepodge of disparate, loosely related ideologies somewhat artificially and arbitrarily lumped together historically for convenience) are totalitarians, there are many different schools of leftist thought, some of them arguably more libertarian than, 'libertarians', or what that word has come to mean in 21st century American thought, but it's a subject that's perhaps a bit too big for this thread.
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Silhouette » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:46 am

UrGod wrote:Not even about man-hating feminism, it’s more about respecting the rule of law and common sense. You know, those things that leftists (totalitarians).... don’t care for.

Totalitarians don't care for law? You mean the very thing they enforce far too much? Do u even read what you write? No common sense at all and you hate on others for lacking it...

And as if rightists never break the law or defy common sense lol. You make this way too easy.
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Gloominary » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:54 am

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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:59 am

Peter Kropotkin: the simple reason I didn't respond the points gloomy made was
they aren't relevant to his post.... his post was simply bashing liberals
and the method he used was about the very serious problem of the rape culture
in America..... I don't need to respond to a post that's only value is to attack
liberals and liberalism..........

Gloom:
You're a sexist piece of shit, and you couldn't philosophize your way out of a tiny cardboard box or paper bag.
You're not here for honest, open and thoughtful dialogue, not even in the slightest, you're here for diatribe.
I refuse to set an example of feeding trolls like you, and other jerk offs.
Now get the fuck off my thread.

K: and we have the anger issue.... look, I am sorry you have anger issues and you
should probably see a professional for that... but I maintain that this thread was
created for the sole purpose of attacking liberals and liberalism.....
and the continuing personal attacks seem to suggest that I am right....
I would suggest the failure here is yours and yours alone....
but not the reasons you may think.....you have failed in the basic principle of
examining your basic principles for their truth.....you have the courage of your convictions
but not the courage of an attack upon your convictions.... you have failed the basic
point of being a philosopher which is to examine what you believe and see if it is true....
my point about having changed political viewpoints is to show that it is possible to
not only understand but to change one's political viewpoint...as I have done, multiple times...
as an adult.....I am willing to challenged my beliefs, attack my convictions as it were,
can you?

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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby URUZ » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:59 am

Gloom, you are a common sense rational classical liberal, not a leftist.

You must discover the absolute difference between these two things. The false conflation of the one with the other is a major source of many problems right now.
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Gloominary » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:03 am

Silhouette wrote:
UrGod wrote:Not even about man-hating feminism, it’s more about respecting the rule of law and common sense. You know, those things that leftists (totalitarians).... don’t care for.

Totalitarians don't care for law? You mean the very thing they enforce far too much? Do u even read what you write? No common sense at all and you hate on others for lacking it...

And as if rightists never break the law or defy common sense lol. You make this way too easy.

I think he means giving people their due process, habaeus corpus.

And you're right, fascism is a school of right thought, and it's totalitarian, but I think in Ur's mind, rightism means just capitalism, libertarianism and such, where as both fascism and socialism are somehow on the left.
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Silhouette » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:15 am

Gloominary wrote:I don't think all 'leftists' (not even sure there is such a thing as leftism, so much as a hodgepodge of disparate, loosely related ideologies somewhat artificially and arbitrarily lumped together historically for convenience) are totalitarians, there are many different schools of leftist thought, some of them arguably more libertarian than, 'libertarians', or what that word has come to mean in 21st century American thought, but it's a subject that's perhaps a bit too big for this thread.

I find it much more useful and applicable to assess "left" and "right" according to both social and economic stances, much like the "political compass" does.

Only simpletons like UrGod think absolutely and without nuance - as though there is 1 single homogenous left. The usual slightly more sophisticated understanding places people and parties along a relative scale, but you need to take into account that some people who support capitalism also support restraint in social behaviours (Conservatives), and some support freer trade as well as free living in general (Libertarians). Likewise some who support more economic controls also want to enforce what you can do and say in social respects (like this new wave of feminists), and some who support more economic planning also support a lack of control over individual choices outside of the workplace (like me).

It's ham-fisted to ignore the broader spectrum of political beliefs, and so easily turned into an "us versus them" false dichotomy that completely misrepresents the vast majority of actual people. You should never listen to people who speak in black and white terms about politics (or anything).
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Gloominary » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:20 am

Peter Kropotkin wrote:Peter Kropotkin: the simple reason I didn't respond the points gloomy made was
they aren't relevant to his post.... his post was simply bashing liberals
and the method he used was about the very serious problem of the rape culture
in America..... I don't need to respond to a post that's only value is to attack
liberals and liberalism..........

Gloom:
You're a sexist piece of shit, and you couldn't philosophize your way out of a tiny cardboard box or paper bag.
You're not here for honest, open and thoughtful dialogue, not even in the slightest, you're here for diatribe.
I refuse to set an example of feeding trolls like you, and other jerk offs.
Now get the fuck off my thread.

K: and we have the anger issue.... look, I am sorry you have anger issues and you
should probably see a professional for that... but I maintain that this thread was
created for the sole purpose of attacking liberals and liberalism.....
and the continuing personal attacks seem to suggest that I am right....
I would suggest the failure here is yours and yours alone....
but not the reasons you may think.....you have failed in the basic principle of
examining your basic principles for their truth.....you have the courage of your convictions
but not the courage of an attack upon your convictions.... you have failed the basic
point of being a philosopher which is to examine what you believe and see if it is true....
my point about having changed political viewpoints is to show that it is possible to
not only understand but to change one's political viewpoint...as I have done, multiple times...
as an adult.....I am willing to challenged my beliefs, attack my convictions as it were,
can you?

Kropotkin

You don't want to talk about men's rights because you hate men, pure and simple.

You will use any excuse to wiggle and worm your way out of one.
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Gloominary » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:49 am

Zero_Sum wrote:
Gloominary wrote:What does a lumbering idiot do when you argue it's wrong to destroy someone's life solely on the basis of accusation?
Does he even attempt to make a counterargument somehow?
Of course not, that would be too difficult, he just hurls more accusation, at you, or anyone else who gets in his or his parties way, and people, or at least his idiotic ilk, eat it right up.
'You're a rape apologist'!
'Or you just hate liberals, because I'm a liberal, and I can't imagine having a debate about this with someone who's not a conservative, and doesn't hate liberals as much as I hate conservatives, because that's how 3 dimensional, and rational, I am'.


To understand Peter you must understand that neo liberalism is the voice of God and anything contrary to this neo liberalism is Satan. That's all you need to know.

In his eyes you're Satan incarnate and CNN, NPR, or MSNBC neo liberal news rags is his version of the apostles. It's the world perception he has limited himself to.

Also, he's an ex communist or so he says anyways.

While I wouldn't say all liberals are like that, and what liberalism means exactly is sort of nebulous (I have used liberalism in both a broad, abstract sense to refer to many ideological currents throughout the ages, and in a narrow, concrete sense to mean Canadian liberals/American democrats, in this thread), I agree many, if not most mainstream liberals have unfortunately become like that, they feel as tho their party is The way, The only way for all peoples, places and times, ahistoric, and that anyone who disagrees with them is the enemy, and while conservatives/republicans have definitely been guilty of this level of fanaticism in the past, as have many ideological currents, liberalism is perhaps the worst today, and that's why I think we're seeing this opposition to it that's been simmering for ages in the underground, finally beginning to erupt into the mainstream.
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Gloominary » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:49 am

@UrGod

Gloom, you are a common sense rational classical liberal, not a leftist.

You must discover the absolute difference between these two things. The false conflation of the one with the other is a major source of many problems right now.

I don't think you can fit my views into that tiny of a box, but you can try.
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Re: Accusations alone prove Nothing

Postby Gloominary » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:53 am

Silhouette wrote:
Gloominary wrote:I don't think all 'leftists' (not even sure there is such a thing as leftism, so much as a hodgepodge of disparate, loosely related ideologies somewhat artificially and arbitrarily lumped together historically for convenience) are totalitarians, there are many different schools of leftist thought, some of them arguably more libertarian than, 'libertarians', or what that word has come to mean in 21st century American thought, but it's a subject that's perhaps a bit too big for this thread.

I find it much more useful and applicable to assess "left" and "right" according to both social and economic stances, much like the "political compass" does.

Only simpletons like UrGod think absolutely and without nuance - as though there is 1 single homogenous left. The usual slightly more sophisticated understanding places people and parties along a relative scale, but you need to take into account that some people who support capitalism also support restraint in social behaviours (Conservatives), and some support freer trade as well as free living in general (Libertarians). Likewise some who support more economic controls also want to enforce what you can do and say in social respects (like this new wave of feminists), and some who support more economic planning also support a lack of control over individual choices outside of the workplace (like me).

It's ham-fisted to ignore the broader spectrum of political beliefs, and so easily turned into an "us versus them" false dichotomy that completely misrepresents the vast majority of actual people. You should never listen to people who speak in black and white terms about politics (or anything).

Having two dimensions helps make things a little more sophisticated than one.
You can split politics into an economic and social sphere or domain.
You can make things even a little more complex by divvying them up like this:

There is socialist economics (left), where corporations are ran in the interest of workers and consumers, there is corporatist economics (right), where corporations are ran in the interest of capitalists, and there is capitalist economics (center), where it's a free for all, economic competition.

And there is progressive 'socionomics' (left), if you will (don't know what else to call it), which would be, what?
Promoting the rights of women and minorities, and in my view, often at the expense of men and the majority, multiculturalism/racialism, minimization of difference, feminization of men and boys/masculinization of women and girls, gun control, cameras everywhere, environmentalism, one or two child policy, planned parenthood, enforced vegetarianism/veganism, psychiatric fascism and so on.

And there is conservative socionomics (right), which are more well known and understood than progressive socionomics, because we had them for centuries:
Rigid roles for men and women and adherence to racial, religious, sexual and social norms, criminalization of drugs and prostitution, sanctity of marriage, life and so on.

And then you have liberal or libertarian (two words that as you've argued ought to mean the same thing: free) socionomics (center), where we're free to conduct our personal, private affairs as we see fit independently of state intervention.

I think it's important to make a distinction between liberalism on the one hand, and what could be called progressivism on the other.
Progressivism is one of the two major kinds of authoritarianism in our culture, the other is of course conservatism.
All too often liberalism is lumped in with progressiveism.

Myself I'm mostly a socialist when it comes to the economy, and mostly a liberal or libertarian when it comes to our personal, private lives, like you, but with some progressive, and conservative elements thrown in.

We can add another dimension, a political one.
The tripartite division here would be democrat (left), monarchist (right) and anarchist (center).
And there are more dimensions you can add, and ways to split the aforementioned ones up.
You can go on adding and dividing, and I, like you, encourage people to become broader, more sophisticated and personalized in their thinking, if they can help it.
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