Of Property

For discussions of culture, politics, economics, sociology, law, business and any other topic that falls under the social science remit.

Of Property

Postby Gloominary » Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:03 pm

Is there such a thing, and if so, where do we draw the line?

Is what's mine, mine, and what's yours, yours?
Or is what's mine yours, and what's yours mine?
Or is what's mine, mine, and what's yours mine, or the other way around?

Are children the slaves of their parents, or vice versa?
Are husbands/wives mutually enslaved?
Is the borrower a slave to the lender?
Is the prisoner a slave of the state...are we all slaves of the state?

Where does property come from, is it a social construct, or is it instinctive, like how some animals will mark their territory, or is there an absolute, objective, universal law that determines what, or who belongs to who?
Is it as simple as two and two equals four, that certain people own certain things, or is it arbitrary and complicated?

Myself I think property is almost entirely subjective.
If there's anything objective about it, it's this: animals will try to keep or take a thing they want from others, and have developed ways of warning others not to mess with what they have or want, like marking their territory or growling.
The stronger, slyer and also the luckier an animal is, and the more he wants a thing, the more likely he'll be able to keep or take it from another.

Manimals also mark their territory and growl, but occasionally we're a little more sophisticated about it, because we have language, we'll write our names on things, we'll warn people: private property, no trespassing!
We'll put fences, moats and walls around things, arm ourselves to the teeth or hire guards, but it's essentially the same behavior our furry fellows display.

But whether it's socially conditioned, or instinctive, or compassion we have for people, or a sense of fairness we have, we as individuals and a society have developed reasons for why we feel or think certain things belong to certain people, whether these people can keep or take them on their own, or whether they need help.
What are some of these things, how do we determine who or what belongs to whom?
Last edited by Gloominary on Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Gloominary
Thinker
 
Posts: 833
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:58 am
Location: Dislocated

Re: Of Property

Postby Gloominary » Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:03 pm

Property is more than just wanting something, it's about communication, letting others know you want it.
With humans it's a little more sophisticated, we let others know why we want it, or someone else to have it, most animals don't do this, most animals only care about what they want, the only communication that occurs between them is: I'm strong, and I'm prepared to fight for it, or I'm weak, I don't want it enough, you can have it.
More unsophisticated animals have no theory of mind, and so they take things reflexively, without any regard for whether there's someone else out there who wants it, and so they have no notion of property whatsoever.
Last edited by Gloominary on Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:51 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Gloominary
Thinker
 
Posts: 833
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:58 am
Location: Dislocated

Re: Of Property

Postby Gloominary » Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:04 pm

So what are the criteria we use to determine property?

Here's some of them:

Do they have it now, or did they have it at one time?
This is more of a duty ethics question.

If someone physically possesses or occupies something in the present, we're more likely to regard it as theirs.
If someone frequently physically possesses or occupies something, we're still more likely to regard it as theirs, but less than the above.
If someone has physically possessed or occupied something in the past, we're still more likely to regard it as theirs, but less than the above.

How did they come to acquire it?
This is also more of a duty ethics question.

If someone built something, exchanged something, received something, or found something, we're more likely to regard it as theirs.

But if someone took something from someone by force, fraud, unfairly or without their consent, we're more likely to regard it as not theirs.

What good can come from them having it?
This is more of a consequentialist question.

If someone can use something to fulfill our needs as an individual or a group, we're more likely to regard it as theirs.
If someone can use something to fulfill our desires as an individual or a group, we're still more likely to regard it as theirs, but less than the above.
If someone needs something, we're still more likely to, but less than the above.
If someone desires something, we're still more likely to, but less than the above.

How able and willing are they to fight and die for it?
This is more of a pragmatic question.

Who and what determines?
This is more of a psychosocial question.

The more the or a political or religious authority states x belongs to someone.
The more people state x belongs to someone (democracy).
The more social convention states x belongs to someone.
The more our feelings suggest x belongs to someone.
The more our thoughts suggest x belongs to someone.

Society uses all the above to determine what belongs to someone, but societies and individuals emphasize some of these reasons over others.
When one or more of these reasons are conflicting, people will go with what they believe is the lesser of two evils.
And of course people can be very selfish, are overtly, or more often than not covertly biased towards themselves and their ingroup.

So what about you or your society?
Which of the above do you or your society emphasize in determining property?
Or do you or they use something else to determine it?
Sometimes we play games to determine what belongs to who, like gambling.
Can you think of more things we use?
User avatar
Gloominary
Thinker
 
Posts: 833
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:58 am
Location: Dislocated

Re: Of Property

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:19 am

Gloominary wrote:Is there such a thing, and if so, where do we draw the line?

Property is based upon belief, faith. You believe you own something. You believe you own your house, your car, your shoes. You believe that you own yourself.

This belief can be turned into doubt. To steal everything somebody you merely convince him that he owns none of it.
Urwrongx1000
Philosopher
 
Posts: 1035
Joined: Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:10 pm

Re: Of Property

Postby Gloominary » Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:15 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:
Gloominary wrote:Is there such a thing, and if so, where do we draw the line?

Property is based upon belief, faith. You believe you own something. You believe you own your house, your car, your shoes. You believe that you own yourself.

This belief can be turned into doubt. To steal everything somebody you merely convince him that he owns none of it.

Right, property is subjective. That being said, we have property instincts, which vary from person-person, a natural sense of what's mine and yours, and then we can either abstract these instincts into a principle or principles, for the sake of consistency and the improvement of our lives as individuals and/or as a society, or we can just leave them as they are, and do as we please.
Last edited by Gloominary on Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:30 am, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Gloominary
Thinker
 
Posts: 833
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:58 am
Location: Dislocated

Re: Of Property

Postby Pandora » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:55 am

No matter how you slice it, the idea of property is backed by force. No matter what justifications or reasons, there is always a man holding a big stick at the end of it.
User avatar
Pandora
Philosopher
 
Posts: 4136
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:31 am
Location: Ward 6

Re: Of Property

Postby Gloominary » Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:11 am

Pandora wrote:No matter how you slice it, the idea of property is backed by force. No matter what justifications or reasons, there is always a man holding a big stick at the end of it.

Agreed, whatever your values or lack thereof, if you want to get things done, you have to back up your will with power.
User avatar
Gloominary
Thinker
 
Posts: 833
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:58 am
Location: Dislocated

Re: Of Property

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:28 am

If you can easily convince, or force, people to do as you like, or take from them, then you have a different sense of property than others.

Some people see property as more 'permanent', others more 'temporal'. Those who have weaker beliefs, are more willing to give up things, at least they say so.

But when push comes to shove, and people really do come to take, then people realize what they're willing (or not) to fight for.


Like a bully taking lunch money on the playground. The money belongs to him, because of the threat of force, and willingness to fight.

He gets away with it as long as authorities (teachers and principal) continue to allow such behavior, or such behavior goes unnoticed, people turn a blind-eye to it.
Urwrongx1000
Philosopher
 
Posts: 1035
Joined: Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:10 pm

Re: Of Property

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:40 pm

He gets away with it as long as authorities (teachers and principal) continue to allow such behavior, or such behavior goes unnoticed, people turn a blind-eye to it.

Or until a few of the kids gang together to beat the bully senseless. Outnumber an opponent and he will often retreat.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
User avatar
WendyDarling
Heroine
 
Posts: 6979
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:52 am
Location: Hades

Re: Of Property

Postby Pandora » Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:37 pm

https://youtube.com/watch?v=sepPeBHIm_4
Came across this video recently. Not sure if I’m ready to dive head on into this agenda 21 can of worms, but I am seeing the same trends she is seeing, specifically in regards to property regulations, and apparent aims at population controls. (Now, if I see that reproductive rights explicitly become a privilege reserved only for the few (elite), I might actually be convinced it’s all true).
User avatar
Pandora
Philosopher
 
Posts: 4136
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:31 am
Location: Ward 6

Re: Of Property

Postby WendyDarling » Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:52 pm

Another agenda...
Translation of the UN's "2030 Agenda blueprint for globalist government" (controlled by corporate interests)
Goal 1) End poverty in all its forms everywhere

Translation: Put everyone on government welfare, food stamps, housing subsidies and handouts that make them obedient slaves to global government. Never allow people upward mobility to help themselves. Instead, teach mass victimization and obedience to a government that provides monthly "allowance" money for basic essentials like food and medicine. Label it "ending poverty."

Goal 2) End hunger, achieve food security and improved nutrition and promote sustainable agriculture

Translation: Invade the entire planet with GMOs and Monsanto's patented seeds while increasing the use of deadly herbicides under the false claim of "increased output" of food crops. Engineer genetically modified plants to boost specific vitamin chemicals while having no idea of the long-term consequences of genetic pollution or cross-species genetic experiments carried out openly in a fragile ecosystem.

Goal 3) Ensure healthy lives and promote well-being for all at all ages

Translation: Mandate 100+ vaccines for all children and adults at gunpoint, threatening parents with arrest and imprisonment if they refuse to cooperate. Push heavy medication use on children and teens while rolling out "screening" programs. Call mass medication "prevention" programs and claim they improve the health of citizens.

Goal 4) Ensure inclusive and equitable quality education and promote lifelong learning opportunities for all

Translation: Push a false history and a dumbed-down education under "Common Core" education standards that produce obedient workers rather than independent thinkers. Never let people learn real history, or else they might realize they don't want to repeat it.

Goal 5) Achieve gender equality and empower all women and girls

Translation: Criminalize Christianity, marginalize heterosexuality, demonize males and promote the LGBT agenda everywhere. The real goal is never "equality" but rather the marginalization and shaming of anyone who expresses any male characteristics whatsoever. The ultimate goal is to feminize society, creating widespread acceptance of "gentle obedience" along with the self-weakening ideas of communal property and "sharing" everything. Because only male energy has the strength to rise up against oppression and fight for human rights, the suppression of male energy is key to keeping the population in a state of eternal acquiescence.

Goal 6) Ensure availability and sustainable management of water and sanitation for all

Translation: Allow powerful corporations to seize control of the world's water supplies and charge monopoly prices to "build new water delivery infrastructure" that "ensures availability."

Goal 7) Ensure access to affordable, reliable, sustainable and modern energy for all

Translation: Penalize coal, gas and oil while pushing doomed-to-fail "green" energy subsidies to brain-dead startups headed by friends of the White House who all go bankrupt in five years or less. The green startups make for impressive speeches and media coverage, but because these companies are led by corrupt idiots rather than capable entrepreneurs, they always go broke. (And the media hopes you don't remember all the fanfare surrounding their original launch.)

Goal 8) Promote sustained, inclusive and sustainable economic growth, full and productive employment and decent work for all

Translation: Regulate small business out of existence with government-mandated minimum wages that bankrupt entire sectors of the economy. Force employers to meet hiring quotas of LGBT workers while mandating wage tiers under a centrally planned work economy dictated by the government. Destroy free market economics and deny permits and licenses to those companies that don't obey government dictates.

Goal 9) Build resilient infrastructure, promote inclusive and sustainable industrialization and foster innovation

Translation: Put nations into extreme debt with the World Bank, spending debt money to hire corrupt American corporations to build large-scale infrastructure projects that trap developing nations in an endless spiral of debt. See the book Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins to understand the details of how this scheme has been repeated countless times over the last several decades.

Goal 10) Reduce inequality within and among countries

Translation: Punish the rich, the entrepreneurs and the innovators, confiscating nearly all gains by those who choose to work and excel. Redistribute the confiscated wealth to the masses of non-working human parasites that feed off a productive economy while contributing nothing to it... all while screaming about "equality!"

Goal 11) Make cities and human settlements inclusive, safe, resilient and sustainable

Translation: Ban all gun ownership by private citizens, concentrating guns into the hands of obedient government enforcers who rule over an unarmed, enslaved class of impoverished workers. Criminalize living in most rural areas by instituting Hunger Games-style "protected areas" which the government will claim are owned by "the People" even though no people are allowed to live there. Force all humans into densely packed, tightly controlled cities where they are under 24/7 surveillance and subject to easy manipulation by government.

Goal 12) Ensure sustainable consumption and production patterns

Translation: Begin levying punitive taxes on the consumption of fossil fuels and electricity, forcing people to live under conditions of worsening standards of living that increasingly resemble Third World conditions. Use social influence campaigns in TV, movies and social media to shame people who use gasoline, water or electricity, establishing a social construct of ninnies and tattlers who rat out their neighbors in exchange for food credit rewards.

Goal 13) Take urgent action to combat climate change and its impacts

Translation: Set energy consumption quotas on each human being and start punishing or even criminalizing "lifestyle decisions" that exceed energy usage limits set by governments. Institute total surveillance of individuals in order to track and calculate their energy consumption. Penalize private vehicle ownership and force the masses onto public transit, where TSA grunts and facial recognition cameras can monitor and record the movement of every person in society, like a scene ripped right out of Minority Report.

Goal 14) Conserve and sustainably use the oceans, seas and marine resources for sustainable development

Translation: Ban most ocean fishing, plunging the food supply into an extreme shortage and causing runaway food price inflation that puts even more people into economic desperation. Criminalize the operation of private fishing vessels and place all ocean fishing operations under the control of government central planning. Only allow favored corporations to conduct ocean fishing operations (and make this decision based entirely on which corporations give the most campaign contributions to corrupt lawmakers).

Goal 15) Protect, restore and promote sustainable use of terrestrial ecosystems, sustainably manage forests, combat desertification, and halt and reverse land degradation and halt biodiversity loss

Translation: Roll out Agenda 21 and force humans off the land and into controlled cities. Criminalize private land ownership, including ranches and agricultural tracts. Tightly control all agriculture through a corporate-corrupted government bureaucracy whose policies are determined almost entirely by Monsanto while being rubber-stamped by the USDA. Ban woodstoves, rainwater collection and home gardening in order to criminalize self-reliance and force total dependence on government.

Goal 16) Promote peaceful and inclusive societies for sustainable development, provide access to justice for all and build effective, accountable and inclusive institutions at all levels

Translation: Grant legal immunity to illegal aliens and "protected" minority groups, which will be free to engage in any illegal activity -- including openly calling for the mass murder of police officers -- because they are the new protected class in society. "Inclusive institutions" means granting favorable tax structures and government grants to corporations that hire LGBT workers or whatever groups are currently in favor with the central planners in government. Use the IRS and other federal agencies to selectively punish unfavorable groups with punitive audits and regulatory harassment, all while ignoring the criminal activities of favored corporations that are friends of the political elite.

Goal 17) Strengthen the means of implementation and revitalize the global partnership for sustainable development

Translation: Enact global trade mandates that override national laws while granting unrestricted imperialism powers to companies like Monsanto, Dow Chemical, RJ Reynolds, Coca-Cola and Merck. Pass global trade pacts that bypass a nation's lawmakers and override intellectual property laws to make sure the world's most powerful corporations maintain total monopolies over drugs, seeds, chemicals and technology. Nullify national laws and demand total global obedience to trade agreements authored by powerful corporations and rubber-stamped by the UN.

Total enslavement of the planet by 2030
As the UN document says, "We commit ourselves to working tirelessly for the full implementation of this Agenda by 2030." author:Mike Adams https://www.naturalnews.com/051058_2030 ... ement.html
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
User avatar
WendyDarling
Heroine
 
Posts: 6979
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:52 am
Location: Hades

Re: Of Property

Postby Magnus Anderson » Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:58 pm

Property = that which is under your control.

I can use this pencil any way I want, so it's my property. Someone comes along and steals it from me; it's no longer my property. I steal it back from them and it's my property once again. And so on.

A child may scream "THAT'S MY PROPERTY!!!! GIVE IT BACK TO ME!!!!!!1" but in reality it no longer is and the child is merely clinging onto what was in the past.

People may give you some property if they want to but they can also take it back if they decide to.
I got a philosophy degree, I'm not upset that I can't find work as a philosopher. It was my decision, and I knew that it wasn't a money making degree, so I get money elsewhere.
-- Mr. Reasonable
User avatar
Magnus Anderson
Philosopher
 
Posts: 3698
Joined: Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:26 pm

Re: Of Property

Postby WendyDarling » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:00 pm

In the USA, the government owns all land properties and people pay property taxes to rent the land.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
User avatar
WendyDarling
Heroine
 
Posts: 6979
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:52 am
Location: Hades

Re: Of Property

Postby Magnus Anderson » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:08 pm

I think that's how it is pretty much everywhere else.
I got a philosophy degree, I'm not upset that I can't find work as a philosopher. It was my decision, and I knew that it wasn't a money making degree, so I get money elsewhere.
-- Mr. Reasonable
User avatar
Magnus Anderson
Philosopher
 
Posts: 3698
Joined: Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:26 pm

Re: Of Property

Postby Pandora » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:09 pm

That’s a big can of worms to explore, Wendy, and a lot of dots to connect on your own, too.
(Also, because Natural News is primarily fear-based news source, I’d make a practice of taking its claims with a little grain of salt, if only on that account)
User avatar
Pandora
Philosopher
 
Posts: 4136
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:31 am
Location: Ward 6

Re: Of Property

Postby WendyDarling » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:19 pm

Then you don't see the ugly side of Agenda 21 coming to fruition, that the lady in your linked video was expressing legitimate concerns that are actually happening and relative to the progression of Agenda 21's underbelly?

That 2030 Agenda is a big can of worms, but much of the translational material is already either widespread or slowly spreading in occurrences. Care to discuss any parts of 1-17? This is the corporate global agenda rolled out as innocuous communism.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
User avatar
WendyDarling
Heroine
 
Posts: 6979
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:52 am
Location: Hades

Re: Of Property

Postby WendyDarling » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:28 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:I think that's how it is pretty much everywhere else.

So, no private individuals own any land, only governments do. What property does that leave us? A vehicle and personal possessions that one can carry in a protectionist manner? :evilfun:
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
User avatar
WendyDarling
Heroine
 
Posts: 6979
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:52 am
Location: Hades

Re: Of Property

Postby Pandora » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:55 pm

WendyDarling wrote:Then you don't see the ugly side of Agenda 21 coming to fruition, that the lady in your linked video was expressing legitimate concerns that are actually happening and relative to the progression of Agenda 21's underbelly?

That 2030 Agenda is a big can of worms, but much of the translational material is already either widespread or slowly spreading in occurrences. Care to discuss any parts of 1-17? This is the corporate global agenda rolled out as innocuous communism.

I’d have to start from the very beginning. Read and study the original text and all the people involved in it, and go from there, and then make my own conclusions. But it would be a big undertaking just to follow the footsteps and various leads. There are too many questions. Is it always a duck if you see something walking and quacking like one? What if here is an alternative explanation? Where is “hard” evidence chain? You can translate anything into anything if you will it to, and if there’s a need present in some populations to believe in a particular conclusion. So, for now, I will consider it a possibility, but won’t believe it until I’m personally conviced through analyzing enough evidence on my own.
(And you get minus one point on the trust factor for using fear mongering natural news as the source of your information).
User avatar
Pandora
Philosopher
 
Posts: 4136
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:31 am
Location: Ward 6

Re: Of Property

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:37 am

Okay, it is over the top taken as a whole (one subtracted), but some of Adams points aren't so far fetched. And that site isn't one I frequent, it popped up in a search for Agenda 21...depressingly amusing though.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
User avatar
WendyDarling
Heroine
 
Posts: 6979
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:52 am
Location: Hades

Re: Of Property

Postby Pandora » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:55 am

Okay, I will start with this guy, supposedly the father of the agenda 21 (correct me if I’m wrong). I must say, his bio reads like an incredible fairy tale story (from dirt to billionaire to U.N.; notice the dates).
(I have seen such incredible bios elsewhere, mostly of shady politicians).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Strong
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fhkxC1Q2FNU
User avatar
Pandora
Philosopher
 
Posts: 4136
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:31 am
Location: Ward 6

Re: Of Property

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:54 am

Wiki~
Strong first met with a leading UN official in 1947 who arranged for him to have a temporary low-level appointment, to serve as a junior security officer at the UN headquarters in Lake Success, New York.

At 18 yrs. old this high school drop out was invited to join the UN before he even had his first big job at 19 yrs. old. How would a nobody kid have a connection to a high level UN official? It does sound fishy. It doesn't mention what he did after he dropped out of HS at 14 yrs. old until 18 yrs. old to survive and land a job in the UN. Mafia maybe...odd jobs like his father...hence priming in New York...ah, Long Island is where he was stationed in the UN, Lake Success, Long Island, New York. Crime syndicate headquarters perfect place to school a streetwise kid, expand affairs into Canada. I know my imagination works overtime. :evilfun:
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
User avatar
WendyDarling
Heroine
 
Posts: 6979
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:52 am
Location: Hades

Re: Of Property

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:56 am

WendyDarling wrote:In the USA, the government owns all land properties and people pay property taxes to rent the land.

Those "property taxes" are paid to protect, to fund the military, without which, another army would come and take your land.

Nothing is free, everything has costs.

You're not paying to rent. Keep that in mind, twit. You're paying to defend.
Urwrongx1000
Philosopher
 
Posts: 1035
Joined: Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:10 pm

Re: Of Property

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:50 am

Urwrongx1000 wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:In the USA, the government owns all land properties and people pay property taxes to rent the land.

Those "property taxes" are paid to protect, to fund the military, without which, another army would come and take your land.

Nothing is free, everything has costs.

You're not paying to rent. Keep that in mind, twit. You're paying to defend.

The best you can do is argue what the said rent pays for (expletive name for a troll)? :evilfun:
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
User avatar
WendyDarling
Heroine
 
Posts: 6979
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:52 am
Location: Hades

Re: Of Property

Postby Zero_Sum » Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:38 am

For the upper and middle class lifestyles to prevail a constant horde of newer generations of indentured slaves must exist. The spice, tears, monetary, and blood harvesting must flow!

(Even if the entire world is destroyed in the process of this ongoing historical social dialogue or dialectic.)
The temple mount will be rebuilt in Jerusalem and all the nations of the world will be ruled from there. All races, cultures, leaders, and nations will come to bow before the new messiah yet to come. All will come to know the chosen of God who refer themselves as Jews. For every Jew there will be a thousand goyim that will be their slaves as it was ordained by God. Every man, woman, and child will convert to Zionism.
User avatar
Zero_Sum
New World Order Enthusiast
 
Posts: 1722
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:05 pm
Location: United States- Greater Israel

Re: Of Property

Postby Gloominary » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:09 am

Zero_Sum wrote:For the upper and middle class lifestyles to prevail a constant horde of newer generations of indentured slaves must exist. The spice, tears, monetary, and blood harvesting must flow!

(Even if the entire world is destroyed in the process of this ongoing historical social dialogue or dialectic.)

The 'middle class', whatever that even means nowadays, there is no such thing, are also slaves.
I think that's the most likely outcome, the entire world being destroyed, really I wish it weren't the case, but humanity has little-no interest in ending this rat race over a cliff towards oblivion.
User avatar
Gloominary
Thinker
 
Posts: 833
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:58 am
Location: Dislocated

Next

Return to Society, Government, and Economics



Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users