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Re: The morality of taxation

Postby Serendipper » Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:39 am

Zero_Sum wrote:
UrGod wrote:I appreciate the long response, I am sure it took you a while to write.

Skimming it, I'll just be honest that I probably will not bother to reply. You missed or mistook almost everything I said, and ignored key other things. The amount of effort it would take me to honestly address these glaring problems you display is simply not worth the potential payout, even if I thought you might rise to the challenge, which I don't really think is likely.

Best luck.


Can't argue against other people's points and just assumes he's right where everybody else is wrong. What's not to like? :lol:


I knew that going in, but just wanted to be sure of my own reasoning. Trial by fire. I ran my idea by Richard Wolff, but he didn't reply. So I'm left with random forum people to show me my error, but everyone is biased one way or the other and no one wants to be wrong.

My theory is simple: Money flows uphill by employment and there has to be a governmental mechanism to recycle the money back down so it can flow up again. Explaining it easy, but explaining why it's true is difficult.

My dad has accepted it, or at least can't find error, but can't take it to heart because he's a Rush Limbaugh fan. If he bought my ideas, he would lose his identity. Ego trumps all else, including blood... sons, daughters are all expendable to preserve the ego. Dad's strategy is simply not to talk to me or have meaningful relation-ship and in that way he won't have to be wrong. It's better to not have a son than to admit you're wrong. If people would sacrifice their own kids to preserve their ego, there is no getting through to them.
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Re: The morality of taxation

Postby Zero_Sum » Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:56 am

Serendipper,

All you need is a state that devotes itself to the livelihood, social well-being, and dignity of its citizens, you know, the complete opposite of what we have now.
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Re: The morality of taxation

Postby Serendipper » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:55 am

Zero_Sum wrote:Serendipper,

All you need is a state that devotes itself to the livelihood, social well-being, and dignity of its citizens, you know, the complete opposite of what we have now.

I can see value in that, but I suspect there is no perfect way and every advantage has a disadvantage. We have to focus on education and teaching critical thinking in particular and then people will be smart enough or at least equipped enough to make the right choices as they go along, if that leads to dictatorship because the skillful thinkers choose that, then so be it. But step-one is to teach kids how to correctly process information. All the logical fallacies should be common knowledge like the ABCs.

Danish psychologist Helmuth Nyborg says some populations aren't smart enough for a democracy and when the ave iq of Sweden falls below 80-90 through dilution with immigrants, the system of government will break down. He says dictatorship is the only way to govern low iq peoples. On the other hand, democracy works when the ave iq is high enough.

Then again, psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa says to expect the ave iq to decline throughout the 21st century due to intelligent women choosing not to reproduce.

Some are predicting a dark age coming because technology is dumbing us down, among other factors. Maybe we will have a dictatorship.
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Re: The morality of taxation

Postby Zero_Sum » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:35 pm

Serendipper wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:Serendipper,

All you need is a state that devotes itself to the livelihood, social well-being, and dignity of its citizens, you know, the complete opposite of what we have now.

I can see value in that, but I suspect there is no perfect way and every advantage has a disadvantage. We have to focus on education and teaching critical thinking in particular and then people will be smart enough or at least equipped enough to make the right choices as they go along, if that leads to dictatorship because the skillful thinkers choose that, then so be it. But step-one is to teach kids how to correctly process information. All the logical fallacies should be common knowledge like the ABCs.

Danish psychologist Helmuth Nyborg says some populations aren't smart enough for a democracy and when the ave iq of Sweden falls below 80-90 through dilution with immigrants, the system of government will break down. He says dictatorship is the only way to govern low iq peoples. On the other hand, democracy works when the ave iq is high enough.

Then again, psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa says to expect the ave iq to decline throughout the 21st century due to intelligent women choosing not to reproduce.

Some are predicting a dark age coming because technology is dumbing us down, among other factors. Maybe we will have a dictatorship.


Multicultural or multiracial societies will always fail due to dissension. Democracy is the idea that the majority of dumb uneducated idiots can rule themselves or make laws for society and the state. Total epic failure.
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Re: The morality of taxation

Postby URUZ » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:36 am

The morality of taxation: how many rich people does it take to pay for the lives of a thousand poor people?

Answer: 1

So you have 1000 poor people on government services and handouts of all different kinds, living directly off of the efforts of a single successful person.

Wait, what does this have to do with morality again? I thought rich successful people were supposed to be the bad guys, so why is just one of them sustaining the lives of a thousand people?
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Re: The morality of taxation

Postby Serendipper » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:01 am

Zero_Sum wrote:Multicultural or multiracial societies will always fail due to dissension. Democracy is the idea that the majority of dumb uneducated idiots can rule themselves or make laws for society and the state. Total epic failure.

Yeah I know what you mean. How do we ensure a dictator won't be corrupt?
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Re: The morality of taxation

Postby Serendipper » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:18 am

UrGod wrote:The morality of taxation: how many rich people does it take to pay for the lives of a thousand poor people?

Answer: 1

So you have 1000 poor people on government services and handouts of all different kinds, living directly off of the efforts of a single successful person.

Wait, what does this have to do with morality again? I thought rich successful people were supposed to be the bad guys, so why is just one of them sustaining the lives of a thousand people?

That's a good point, but I addressed that by the fact that employment involves theft, so the theft of taxation rights the wrong. Two wrongs make a right, I guess, but if someone steals something and you steal it back then give it to them, is that wrong? So taxation is moral only if it's redistribution.
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Re: The morality of taxation

Postby Pandora » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:08 pm

If you’re super rich you don’t have to pay taxes. But then again, the rich don’t use public services anyway; and their loyalty is only to themselves and other super rich.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_Papers

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Re: The morality of taxation

Postby Serendipper » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:25 am

Pandora wrote:If you’re super rich you don’t have to pay taxes.

That's what Peter Schiff said about the 90% tax rates in the past... no one paid it. He said he'd prefer to go back to that since there were more ways to get around paying taxes. Well if that's true, then what did Reagan and Kennedy accomplish?

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But then again, the rich don’t use public services anyway; and their loyalty is only to themselves and other super rich.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_Papers

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Nice. They increasingly take money out of circulation.
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Re: The morality of taxation

Postby Pandora » Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:03 am

I was surprised to see university names on the list, as well.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... ise_Papers

More liberal hypocrisy: *shakes head*
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/n ... ise-papers
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