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Dems reaction opposed to the GOP

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:22 pm

Today, Franken resigned from sexual abuse allegations,
the other day, John Conyers resigned....

as opposed to the GOP reactions to sexual abuse allegations of
IQ45 and Moore.....for the GOP, party and power is more important then
doing right thing......

the party comes first for the GOP and any personal sexual abuse issues become
unimportant.......

we now see what party actually has values worth having....

opposed to the conservative values which is the nihilistic values
of money and power......

which party has a conscience and which party doesn't have a conscience....

the democrats did the right thing and the GOP, they
attack even more when charged with sexual abuse and defend even more....
all the women were liars, say the GOP and personally attack the women for
daring to call out sexual abuse......

the response to sexual attacks from the democrats is very revealing because
it shows us the difference between the democrats and the GOP.....

we take responsibility for our actions and the GOP doesn't....

simple as that......

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Re: Dems reaction opposed to the GOP

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:08 pm

the question becomes one of, what is the right thing to do?

this becomes a question of morals and ethics, which is rightfully
philosophy.... the question of values, the question of why?

Conyers resigned, Franken resigned, Weinstein resigned....
IQ 45 is still president and Moore continues to run and their
allegations are far more severe then anything Conyers or Franken faced....

so what is the right thing to do?

what is the stem failure of each of these people?

one of greed... of thinking their needs outweighs other people needs....
putting their own needs ahead of everyone else.... is Gordon Gekko's
motto of "Greed is good" actually the right thing to do?
for greed takes many different forms and includes putting one's needs
ahead of everyone else needs.... greed is not only monetary but
sexual.......how does one justifying putting oneself first over other people?

by some outdated formula of self perseveration?

for self perseveration is nothing more then instinct, instincts like
anger and violence and hate... the lower base instincts of the animals...
are those really the path into the future? following base instincts of the animals?

for those who can control the instincts, the violence, sexual and otherwise,
the hate, the anger......those who can control their instincts become
closer to who they are, closer to what is possible for the human being.....

the journey to humanity is a long and rocky one.. with many missteps
and failures........ becoming aware is just step one, it is not enough
to know, theory, but one must act upon that knowledge... action......

and to sexual abuse someone is not rising up to becoming human but
lowering one down to the level of the animals......

that is why the dem's reaction is of greater value then the GOP's...
for the GOP, condones and accepts these lower values of the animals,
the greed and anger and hate and violence....

the higher value of accepting responsibility and making some
action in atonement, to acts of the lower instincts, is the right thing to do.....

we are human beings and we make mistakes... how one reacts to one's
mistakes is the sign of becoming human.... we accept responsibility and
we become closer to becoming a human being.... we understand that we failed
and vow to end the failure is a sign of growth of being a human being........

as opposed to the GOP answers to sexual abuse......

blame the victims and deny all responsibility......

which response is the right thing to do?

the dem's or the GOP?

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Re: Dems reaction opposed to the GOP

Postby Uccisore » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:19 pm

The DNC are so morally superior. Sure, there are 50 times as many of them being accused of sexual assault right now as compared to conservatives, but a handful of them willingly resigned their positions after denying all wrongdoing!

Really brings a tear to my eye.
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Re: Dems reaction opposed to the GOP

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:04 pm

Uccisore wrote:The DNC are so morally superior. Sure, there are 50 times as many of them being accused of sexual assault right now as compared to conservatives, but a handful of them willingly resigned their positions after denying all wrongdoing!

Really brings a tear to my eye.


K: and once again failing to accept responsibility for one's actions....

it is not about how many have been accused... it is not a numbers game...
an action is wrong regardless of the numbers.... regardless if it is one or a million,
it is wrong but the liberals have taken responsibility for their actions and
of the GOP?

IQ45 and Moore still haven't accepted responsibility for their action...
and of the "list" of accusations against the left, how many are still there?

most have already resigned.. Lauer for example and Weinstein for example
and many who didn't resigned got fired like Keillor and Rose and Spacy.....
and I have no problem with it...that is assuming that because they are in
the entertainment business they are liberal... an assumption I am not prepared to make....

but again tell me... how many accusations against IQ45 and Moore?
IQ45 has had 16 accusations against him and Moore has over 9 at last count
and most were under 18... a multiple accusations of child molestation...

have they taken accountability or responsibility for their actions?
no, the number of people being accuse is actually irrelevant....

you look at morality as a numbers game instead of right or wrong....
for you... morality is based on how many get accused....
it doesn't matter.... it is still wrong....... regardless of whether it is one
or a million..... and that points out the sheer depravity of the right....
its ok if my side commits morally reprehensible acts because your side
has committed more... what kind of defense is that? only a person
who is morally depraved can defend actions based on the fact the other
guys have done more.... your entire defense of child molestation (Moore) is,
well, you guys have done more... so the fuck what? what kind of defense
of morality is that? the left, has admitted and has resigned from positions
because we recognize right from wrong.... it doesn't matter how many
people were accused.... we have demanded those who have committed acts
of sexual abuse to resign not because of how many times the right has done it,
but because it is the right thing to do.....we have admitted and taken
responsibility for our actions...... we didn't say, well the right has done worse,
so it's ok.... it isn't ok and there isn't a defense for what they did....
and we didn't provide excuses to those accused like, look at the other guys, see
what they did..... your defense show us how morally bankrupt the right really is.....

you should be ashamed but you aren't because to be ashamed requires
an understanding of right and wrong... of what is morally right and wrong.....
the right lacks that and so... they continue to deny and blame others without
taking accountability or responsibility for their actions... and they have no shame about
this..... thus showing the morally bankrupt right for what it really is....

party and money over country and over values like right and wrong......

go ahead.... defend IQ 45 for sexual abuse, (and he has admitted it)
and Moore for child molestation.... but don't use numbers to defend right
and wrong..... that is gutless and cowardly........

face it... you have no defense outside of... the other guys did it.....

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Re: Dems reaction opposed to the GOP

Postby Uccisore » Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:37 am

Look. Here is the reality. A *week* ago. Just ONE WEEK, every prominent Democrat was declaring that Conyors and Franken were moral heroes that had nothing to worry about, and the two of them were declaring the allegations against them to be false. Just like all politicians do when they are accused of stuff that can't be proven. Then Trump and a couple other prominent figures on the GOP came out in support of Roy Moore, and *immediately* the DNC threw Franken and Conyors under the bus, declaring they had to resign, as a political manipulation so that you could make the exact argument that you're making now.

They didn't take responsibility for anything: both of them still entirely deny wrongdoing. The DNC has paid no price for covering up for Conyors for years: both congressmen will be replaced by hand-selected members of their own party. You're simply cannibalizing them for political advantage.

You want me to prove it? Alright; where the fuck was your condemnation of Conyors or Franken before the DNC threw them under the bus? Oh that's right, you were pretending they didn't exist so you could talk about Roy Moore some more.

So, why should anybody pretend you're sincere? Jesus Christ you stuck up for Bill Clinton for 20 goddamned years and only threw him under the bus when it was clear his wife's political career was over.

The reality is, if Conyors or Franken's seats were going to be filled by Republicans, they wouldn't have resigned and you'd be defending them right now.
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Re: Dems reaction opposed to the GOP

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:47 am

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Re: Dems reaction opposed to the GOP

Postby captaincrunk » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:35 am

At least the child molester lost
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Re: Dems reaction opposed to the GOP

Postby Uccisore » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:58 pm

He lost because half the people in Alabama that voted for Trump stayed home. Which is the end of PK's narrative.
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Re: Dems reaction opposed to the GOP

Postby Uccisore » Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:03 am

And now that the political advantage is over, Democrats are already walking it back, putting out the narrative that Franken shouldn't resign after all.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/18/politics/ ... index.html

It was all a fucking stunt created so that the DNC could make the exact talking points PK just made.
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Re: Dems reaction opposed to the GOP

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:10 am

Uccisore wrote:He lost because half the people in Alabama that voted for Trump stayed home. Which is the end of PK's narrative.



And why do you think that is?
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Re: Dems reaction opposed to the GOP

Postby Uccisore » Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:11 pm

Most of them probably believed the accusations and didn't want to be responsible for putting him in office.
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Re: Dems reaction opposed to the GOP

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:21 am

Maybe. Surprising that people might assume him guilty until proven innocent. But is it really? These are the same people who will vote for a judge who violates court orders and who has a whacky interpretation of what it means to separate church and state. Roy Moore has been making a fool of himself for ages and they didn't seem to mind before.

It's like...they don't believe in a person being innocent until proven guilty, they don't believe in separation of church and state....I dunno man. I've lived in Alabama for a long time, and I can tell you that for the life of me I've never been able to understand those people who live 30 minutes from an interstate.
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Re: Dems reaction opposed to the GOP

Postby Uccisore » Mon Dec 25, 2017 3:17 am

Judging by your behavior here, you've never made an effort. All you do is ask stupid, asinine questons, then speculate on the meaning of the lack of answers you get. It's really not hard to understand conservatives unless you adamantly refuse to speak to them.
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Re: Dems reaction opposed to the GOP

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:56 am

You know that feeling you probably get when you encounter a tranny muslim? Why don't you just speak to them until you're sure they're good people?
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Re: Dems reaction opposed to the GOP

Postby Zero_Sum » Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:20 pm

The latest executive order looks like a political purge to me and if history is any indicator what comes next should be very interesting. I have often enough theorized that the United States will eventually become a singular political party nation. At this point there is no more of a need for pretense that we're a democratic republic anymore. Hardcore tyranny here we come, it will make our current environment of tyranny look like a small cold by comparison.
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Re: Dems reaction opposed to the GOP

Postby Dan~ » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:18 am

Were these statistics even real things?
Who wrote it, and can they be trusted?

Or, there is no such thing as propaganda and fabricated news?
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Re: Dems reaction opposed to the GOP

Postby Zero_Sum » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:36 pm

Dan~ wrote:Were these statistics even real things?
Who wrote it, and can they be trusted?

Or, there is no such thing as propaganda and fabricated news?

In the United States everything is propaganda.
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