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Do Republicans and pedophile priests share the same vile sex

Postby Greatest I am » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:15 pm

Do Republicans and pedophile priests share the same vile sexual morality.

I wrote this for the religious forum but it seems to be a question that I should have put to Republicans as they are exhibiting the same vile morality as pedophile priests and the religious who ignore morality to feed their tribal needs.

Do you see any difference in the immoral and unethical position of both groups?

How and why can people ignore their God’s immoral ways?

I find it quite strange that Christian, Muslims and Jews can ignore the immoral ways that their God is shown to have in the Bible, Qur’an and Talmud.

If you have read any of the critical books on God, you will have seen God described with some rather disingenuous terms that, if applied to a man, would see that man executed by any moral government in quick order. The Buddhist saying that if you ever meet God, kill him seems quite fitting. Frankly, I think killing him without making him suffer for a time would be too good for him. If hell were real, that would be a better end for him as mankind would surely need to see that torture to gain real closure for God’s crimes against humanity. This aside.

I can appreciate the value for society of local churches, mosques and temples but cannot fathom why lying priests, preachers and imams try to sell their God as a good God, when he is obviously more satanic than Satan. Perhaps scripture speak at least one truth in that the whole world would be deceived by Satan and his lying preachers and imams. Not that I believe in Satan.

As a Gnostic Christian, my focus has been to try to become a Parfait, a perfected moral man, using the methods Jesus taught. It has been a long climb up Jacob’s ladder and apotheosis put me up one rung and I have tried to climb higher, but seem to have stalled due to my inability to find arguments that are persuasive enough to loosen Satan’s grip on the minds of Christians, Muslims and Jews. Their need of fellowship is stronger than their work on their moral sense and they stay in their religions even though they know that their God is immoral and not worthy of their idol worship. This Gnostic Christian truth is not a flattering epithet for God, which is likely what cause their destruction by Inquisition.

The truth hurts the religious even when given with a loving touch. I am not that good at that but have seen good honest lovers of Christ get verbally abused by theists. They think hate is motivating those who speak against their God even when love is the motivator. Hate is born of love, and the Gnostic hate of God is justified on moral grounds, and the attempted correction of a believers moral sense and their thinking is done out of love. They forget that that is how Jesus was and how that love driven expression of hate with what he saw around him almost got him killed at the hands of the Jews. So the myth says.

The fact that I have had many theists resist entering into moral argument of their God indicates that they know that their God is immoral. I can appreciate that once a person accepts the fellowship that his tribal nature seeks, and he can survive without having better morals, he is loath to jeopardize the comfort zone he has created for himself. The problem is that theists are living in self-deception and for one who seeks or has attained Gnosis, a deeper knowing of himself, self-deception is basically not allowed. That is why I have to bother fighting a fight that is almost un-winnable.

If you have an answer to the question I posed at the onset, please enlighten me as I am quite disappointed to see so many living in self-deception and without Gnosis, and following Gods who are demonstrably more Satan like than God like.

In the terrible days that we will face from environmental degradation that will soon be upon us, a new and moral God will be required and we presently do not have one.

I recognize that our tribal and fellowship needs are quite strong and a part of our basic instincts. Do you have any idea as to how we can break Satan’s hold on Christians, Muslims and Jews and change their fellowship and tribal needs to a need for a God with decent moral values?

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Re: Do Republicans and pedophile priests share the same vile

Postby Uccisore » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:53 pm

The vast majority of recently exposed sexual predators in the past few months, including but limited to the pedophiles have been avowed Democrats and Hollywood liberals, so it's equal parts amusing and pathetic that you would write this now and expect it to strike home. Is the problem that the 'news' sources you read just don't tell you when non-Republicans do something wrong, perhaps?
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Re: Do Republicans and pedophile priests share the same vile

Postby Greatest I am » Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:17 pm

Uccisore wrote:The vast majority of recently exposed sexual predators in the past few months, including but limited to the pedophiles have been avowed Democrats and Hollywood liberals, so it's equal parts amusing and pathetic that you would write this now and expect it to strike home. Is the problem that the 'news' sources you read just don't tell you when non-Republicans do something wrong, perhaps?


Sure the vile mindset crosses party lines.

Democrats seem to admit their mistakes and apologise while Republicans do not apologise and try to paint their victims as liars.

There is not moral equivalency between the two parties as Democrat pigs admit to being pigs while Republican pigs try to hide the fact that they are pigs.

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Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:22 pm

Uccisore wrote:The vast majority of recently exposed sexual predators in the past few months, including but limited to the pedophiles have been avowed Democrats and Hollywood liberals, so it's equal parts amusing and pathetic that you would write this now and expect it to strike home. Is the problem that the 'news' sources you read just don't tell you when non-Republicans do something wrong, perhaps?



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Re: Do Republicans and pedophile priests share the same vile

Postby Uccisore » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:32 pm

Greatest I am wrote:Sure the vile mindset crosses party lines.


And so your thread has no rational purpose except to express your personal animosity towards one of those parties.

Democrats seem to admit their mistakes and apologise


Are you counting all the news agencies only now after 20+ years admitting Bill Clinton is probably a scum bag and a rapist as 'admitting their mistakes and apologizing'? Do you think they still would have made the admission if Hillary won?
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Re: Do Republicans and pedophile priests share the same vile

Postby Greatest I am » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:42 pm

Uccisore wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:Sure the vile mindset crosses party lines.


And so your thread has no rational purpose except to express your personal animosity towards one of those parties.

Democrats seem to admit their mistakes and apologise


Are you counting all the news agencies only now after 20+ years admitting Bill Clinton is probably a scum bag and a rapist as 'admitting their mistakes and apologizing'? Do you think they still would have made the admission if Hillary won?


I am a Canadian and do not have a horse in your stupid and corrupted political system.

How the guilty or accused reacts is my primary focus. The more right wing the person, both politically and religiously, the more they seem to deny and lash out at their accusers and I think that is due to the tribal effects.

That is spoken of in this link in the first 10/15 minutes or so. It centers on peer/tribal pressure and false guilt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLulcfyqrc0

I would like to know how and why people let their tribal needs override their moral sense.

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Re: Do Republicans and pedophile priests share the same vile

Postby Uccisore » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:19 am

Greatest I am wrote:How the guilty or accused reacts is my primary focus.


OK, since you wrote your post, John Conyors has been accused of paying off women to stay silent about his sexual harassment out of tax payer funds, and the half-dozen women accusing Charlie Rose of misconduct said they remained silent because they were worried the television industry would destroy their lives if they came forward.

So what does that say about how the guilty or accused react?


The more right wing the person, both politically and religiously, the more they seem to deny and lash out at their accusers and I think that is due to the tribal effects.


I Just gave you the example of the Clintons and you completely fucking ignored it. Now we have two more; Conyors and Charlie Rose. Harvey Weinstein maintained a hit list of women he maligned so he he could quickly blackmail them if he decided to speak up. Roman Polankski fled the country when he was outed as pedophile and his co-workers gave him their highest available award in absentia. Woody Allen cracked jokes about being a pedophile and was allowed to marry his child-bride in full view and acceptance of Hollywood. Right in front of your face. Roy Moore comes along and that's where you think you see a trend?

What the hell are you talking about? Why would you say something so transparently false to the point of self-parody if you 'had no horse in the race'?
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Re: Do Republicans and pedophile priests share the same vile

Postby Uccisore » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:22 am

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
Uccisore wrote:The vast majority of recently exposed sexual predators in the past few months, including but limited to the pedophiles have been avowed Democrats and Hollywood liberals, so it's equal parts amusing and pathetic that you would write this now and expect it to strike home. Is the problem that the 'news' sources you read just don't tell you when non-Republicans do something wrong, perhaps?



K: apparently Roy Moore is a liberal democrat..... good to know....

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It doesn't surprise me that you think the majority of recently exposed sexual predators in the past few months consists of Judge Roy Moore. Doesn't surprise me in the least.
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Re: Do Republicans and pedophile priests share the same vile

Postby UrGod » Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:30 am

Uccisore, it’s because Greatest I Am Not and PKommunist listen to NPR and related psyop mindcontrol State propaganda machines, which they have been conditioned to think of as “news”.

Really not surprising at all that they are so, I mean this literally, Brain Dead. But I appreciate your so cogently pointing out their insanity. It is indeed telling how they ignore all of the specific examples you mentioned.
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Re: Do Republicans and pedophile priests share the same vile

Postby Uccisore » Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:07 pm

Well, this certainly aged well. Matt Lauer is out, Al Franken accused several more times and Dems rallying around to declare nothing bad should happen to him. Garrison Kellior out. Conyors defended until he's on his deathbed, then thrown to the wolves. Three Vice media employees fired for sexual misconduct. Damn those Republicans!
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Re: Do Republicans and pedophile priests share the same vile

Postby Greatest I am » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:01 pm

Uccisore wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:Sure the vile mindset crosses party lines.


And so your thread has no rational purpose except to express your personal animosity towards one of those parties.

Democrats seem to admit their mistakes and apologise


Are you counting all the news agencies only now after 20+ years admitting Bill Clinton is probably a scum bag and a rapist as 'admitting their mistakes and apologizing'? Do you think they still would have made the admission if Hillary won?


Don't know and do not care.

It is the response to the claim of wrongdoing that the Republicans do not admit to and that shows a lot more hypocrisy than what the left have.

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Postby Uccisore » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:45 pm

We both know you spent zero time looking into the truth of that claim before making it.


I wonder what high profile democrat will be outed as a serial molester tomorrow? Impossible to know for sure. All we can say with confidence is that you and PK won't have any comment.
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Re: Do Republicans and pedophile priests share the same vile

Postby Greatest I am » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:14 pm

Uccisore wrote:We both know you spent zero time looking into the truth of that claim before making it.


I wonder what high profile democrat will be outed as a serial molester tomorrow? Impossible to know for sure. All we can say with confidence is that you and PK won't have any comment.


Again, the molesters cross party lines.

The more moral response of the left is what I look at and you ignore.

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Postby Uccisore » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:16 pm

Greatest I am wrote:
The more moral response of the left is what I look at and you ignore.


You aren't 'looking at' a moral moral response of the left, you are simply claiming that there is one against all evidence to the contrary.
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Re: Do Republicans and pedophile priests share the same vile

Postby Greatest I am » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:19 pm

Uccisore wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:
The more moral response of the left is what I look at and you ignore.


You aren't 'looking at' a moral moral response of the left, you are simply claiming that there is one against all evidence to the contrary.


Not when you count the apologies from the left and the denials and calling victims liars by the republicans.

The right has lost the morality arguments due toi their lies and attitudes of not caring for the victims who are being called liars, by liars.

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Postby Uccisore » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:23 pm

Greatest I am wrote:Not when you count the apologies from the left and the denials and calling victims liars by the republicans.


OK, count them, then. Let's hear it. Give me some reason to think you have the foggiest idea how many sex scandals are going on right now, the political persuasions of the people involved, and how they have reacted to the accusations.
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Re: Do Republicans and pedophile priests share the same vile

Postby Greatest I am » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:30 pm

Uccisore wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:Not when you count the apologies from the left and the denials and calling victims liars by the republicans.


OK, count them, then. Let's hear it. Give me some reason to think you have the foggiest idea how many sex scandals are going on right now, the political persuasions of the people involved, and how they have reacted to the accusations.


You know how to use google so I am not going to bother giving you links to ignore.

Name any of the new batch of republicans to be accused who have actually apologised instead of denied the charge.

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Postby Uccisore » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:52 pm

Greatest I am wrote:
You know how to use google


Yes, that's how I know you're full of crap.


Name any of the new batch of republicans to be accused who have actually apologised instead of denied the charge.


What new batch of Republicans? You have Roy Moore, who has denied the charges, and virtually every other accusation I've heard of has been at a Democratic or avowed liberal. If you want to go back to Roger Ailes and Bill O'Reilly, then of course I'll go back to Roman Polanski and Woody Allen.

And anyway, doesn't judging people by whether or not they deny the charges assume that everybody is guilty? Maybe Michael Jackson denied the charges all his life because he was innocent.

If you're in the 'believe women' camp, and assuming that every accused person is guilty, then the obvious point to make is that far more Democrats seem to be sex offenders. But of course when you created this thread, you were completely ignorant of that and now look foolish. :(
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Re: Do Republicans and pedophile priests share the same vile

Postby Greatest I am » Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:12 pm

Uccisore wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:
You know how to use google


Yes, that's how I know you're full of crap.


Name any of the new batch of republicans to be accused who have actually apologised instead of denied the charge.


What new batch of Republicans? You have Roy Moore, who has denied the charges, and virtually every other accusation I've heard of has been at a Democratic or avowed liberal. If you want to go back to Roger Ailes and Bill O'Reilly, then of course I'll go back to Roman Polanski and Woody Allen.

And anyway, doesn't judging people by whether or not they deny the charges assume that everybody is guilty? Maybe Michael Jackson denied the charges all his life because he was innocent.

If you're in the 'believe women' camp, and assuming that every accused person is guilty, then the obvious point to make is that far more Democrats seem to be sex offenders. But of course when you created this thread, you were completely ignorant of that and now look foolish. :(


What is foolish is republicans having the lack of morality to call, Moore's, what 8 accusers, and Trump's 20 accusers liars.

Sure we are all innocent till found guilty, but only a conservative fool will not do the number crunching and come to the right moral decision as to what should happen.

Either Moore and Trump are guilty, or a lot of women are lying.

Only the most immoral fools will blame the victims when there are so many of them.

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Postby Uccisore » Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:25 pm

Greatest I am wrote:What is foolish is republicans having the lack of morality to call, Moore's, what 8 accusers, and Trump's 20 accusers liars.


So your "pool" of Republicans "recently" accused of sexual assault is a pool of two people, one of them accused over a year ago, and both of them accused right before they were seeking election? Compared to the....20 or so liberals/Democrats similarly accused?

Either Moore and Trump are guilty, or a lot of women are lying.


Yes, that's right. Supposing Moore and Trump are guilty, you still need to compare Moore and Trump to Al Franken, John Conyors, George Takei, Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, Matt Lauer, Glenn Thrush, Mark Halperin, Charlie Rose, Michael Oreskes, Garrison Kellior, Louis C.K., Richard Dreyfuss, Dustin Hoffman, Hamilton Fish, Knight Landesman, Jann Wenner and Gianni Versace.

And I'm probably forgetting a bunch. Two things to note is that the list of accused liberals is vastly larger than the list of accused Republicans. The other thing to note is that, in fact, several people on that list actually DO deny the accusations. Another thing I'll add is that admitting to wrongdoing when publicly accused doesn't mean much when it's coupled with lying, threatening, and paying hush money for years, along with plenty of fellow Democrats lying for you and helping cover up your activities, as is the case with the actors, journalists, and politicians on that list.

Only the most immoral fools will blame the victims when there are so many of them.


If you say so, but that still leads to the conclusion that Dems/libs have a much bigger problem with sexual predation than Republicans do.
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Re: Do Republicans and pedophile priests share the same vile

Postby Greatest I am » Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:46 am

Uccisore wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:What is foolish is republicans having the lack of morality to call, Moore's, what 8 accusers, and Trump's 20 accusers liars.


So your "pool" of Republicans "recently" accused of sexual assault is a pool of two people, one of them accused over a year ago, and both of them accused right before they were seeking election? Compared to the....20 or so liberals/Democrats similarly accused?

Either Moore and Trump are guilty, or a lot of women are lying.


Yes, that's right. Supposing Moore and Trump are guilty, you still need to compare Moore and Trump to Al Franken, John Conyors, George Takei, Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, Matt Lauer, Glenn Thrush, Mark Halperin, Charlie Rose, Michael Oreskes, Garrison Kellior, Louis C.K., Richard Dreyfuss, Dustin Hoffman, Hamilton Fish, Knight Landesman, Jann Wenner and Gianni Versace.

And I'm probably forgetting a bunch. Two things to note is that the list of accused liberals is vastly larger than the list of accused Republicans. The other thing to note is that, in fact, several people on that list actually DO deny the accusations. Another thing I'll add is that admitting to wrongdoing when publicly accused doesn't mean much when it's coupled with lying, threatening, and paying hush money for years, along with plenty of fellow Democrats lying for you and helping cover up your activities, as is the case with the actors, journalists, and politicians on that list.

Only the most immoral fools will blame the victims when there are so many of them.


If you say so, but that still leads to the conclusion that Dems/libs have a much bigger problem with sexual predation than Republicans do.


The right gets the Gold medal on this issue thanks to the false guilt that their churches give them.

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Postby Uccisore » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:01 pm

So you've got nothing to say, can't bare to let me have the last word, so it's time to change the subject!

Meanwhile, John Conyers is denying all wrongdoing, so there goes the thin shred of your narrative you had left.
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Postby Greatest I am » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:05 pm

Uccisore wrote:So you've got nothing to say, can't bare to let me have the last word, so it's time to change the subject!

Meanwhile, John Conyers is denying all wrongdoing, so there goes the thin shred of your narrative you had left.


Just check the trend of who is lying or trying to shift the blame to the women.

That says it all.

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Postby Inconvenient Reality » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:30 pm

Harvey Weinstein
Al Franken
Leon Wieseltier
Oliver Stone
Stephen Bittel
Glenn Thrush
Matthew Weiner
Anthony Weiner
Ron Jeremy
James Toback
Brett Ratner
Louis C.K.
Roman Polanski
Jared Fogle
Jeffrey Epstein
Adam Venit
Michael Oreskes
Mark Halperin
David Guillod
Jeffrey Tambor
Dan Schneider
Bob Weinstein
Jeremy Piven
Andrew Kreisberg
Murray Miller
Lena Dunham
Howard Gutman
Bryan Singer
Peter Yarrow
Richard Dreyfuss
Jon Grissom
Bob Filner
Eliot Spitzer
Neil Goldschmidt
Alphy Hoffman
Joel Getz
Tyler Grasham
Paul Rosenthal
Ira Silverstein
Adam Venit
Jann Wenner
Matt Lauer
Geraldo Rivera
Bryon Hefner
Jeremy Goldberg
Israel Horovitz

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Postby Uccisore » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:02 pm

Greatest I am wrote:
Just check the trend of who is lying or trying to shift the blame to the women.

That says it all.


I checked. It's the liberals. If you disagree, you may just have to actually provide some data.
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