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Humans are Parochial, Territorial and Feral

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:42 am

While the OP title is a gross generalization, it's sufficiently truthful for the purpose of this OP.

Humans have always fiercely guarded their borders/frontiers ... material and psychic.

Largely Western peoples have created and marketed worldwide the technologies and products ... especially in travel and communications ... that have increasingly facilitated the infiltration of their borders/frontiers ... both material and psychic ... by aliens.

Poetic justice? ... irony? ... law of unintentional consequences?
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Re: Humans are Parochial, Territorial and Feral

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:58 am

Two of the hottest topics in America and the EU:

1) Immigration

2) Control the narrative/story.

The source of creativity/innovation that lead to this situation is the same geography.Hmmm!
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Re: Humans are Parochial, Territorial and Feral

Postby MagsJ » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:14 pm

...why I'm not a fan of most humans. :|
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Re: Humans are Parochial, Territorial and Feral

Postby Zero_Sum » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:16 pm

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:While the OP title is a gross generalization, it's sufficiently truthful for the purpose of this OP.

Humans have always fiercely guarded their borders/frontiers ... material and psychic.

Largely Western peoples have created and marketed worldwide the technologies and products ... especially in travel and communications ... that have increasingly facilitated the infiltration of their borders/frontiers ... both material and psychic ... by aliens.

Poetic justice? ... irony? ... law of unintentional consequences?


What is your overall point with this thread? What kind of analytical final conclusion are you trying to make?
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Re: Humans are Parochial, Territorial and Feral

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:19 am

"It's OK to suggest a direction to look in ... to tell people what to 'see' is naked arrogance."

Confucius
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Re: Humans are Parochial, Territorial and Feral

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:46 am

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:
"It's OK to suggest a direction to look in ... to tell people what to 'see' is naked arrogance."

Confucius

That's not an argument or answer.
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Re: Humans are Parochial, Territorial and Feral

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:36 am

Zero_Sum wrote:
pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:
"It's OK to suggest a direction to look in ... to tell people what to 'see' is naked arrogance."

Confucius

That's not an argument or answer.


Why does a reply have to qualify as an "argument"?

Why is it not an answer ... you asked ... "What is your overall point with this thread? What kind of analytical final conclusion are you trying to make?"


I answered ... telling people what to 'see' is naked arrogance ... I try to be humble. :-)

The OP provides a general "direction" ... a hypothetical version of human reality ... followed by several questions ... so far only Mag has more or less agreed with the proposition though she has not addressed the questions.

My assumption is readers can't ... or don't want to ... 'see' the proposition.
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Re: Humans are Parochial, Territorial and Feral

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:40 am

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:
Why does a reply have to qualify as an "argument"?

Why is it not an answer ... you asked ... "What is your overall point with this thread? What kind of analytical final conclusion are you trying to make?"


I answered ... telling people what to 'see' is naked arrogance ... I try to be humble. :-)

The OP provides a general "direction" ... a hypothetical version of human reality ... followed by several questions ... so far only Mag has more or less agreed with the proposition though she has not addressed the questions.

My assumption is readers can't ... or don't want to ... 'see' the proposition.


See what proposition exactly?
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Re: Humans are Parochial, Territorial and Feral

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:51 am

Zero_Sum wrote:
pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:
Why does a reply have to qualify as an "argument"?

Why is it not an answer ... you asked ... "What is your overall point with this thread? What kind of analytical final conclusion are you trying to make?"


I answered ... telling people what to 'see' is naked arrogance ... I try to be humble. :-)

The OP provides a general "direction" ... a hypothetical version of human reality ... followed by several questions ... so far only Mag has more or less agreed with the proposition though she has not addressed the questions.

My assumption is readers can't ... or don't want to ... 'see' the proposition.


See what proposition exactly?


My ability to articulate my thoughts crisply and clearly is often sadly lacking. While I 'see' my thoughts ... expressed as black marks on a screen ... quite clearly ,I have some empathy for those who want clarification of a particular word or term or ??? and so on. Empathy for a request for a blanket restatement of my thoughts ... not so much. :-)
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Re: Humans are Parochial, Territorial and Feral

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:02 am

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:
My ability to articulate my thoughts crisply and clearly is often sadly lacking. While I 'see' my thoughts ... expressed as black marks on a screen ... quite clearly ,I have some empathy for those who want clarification of a particular word or term or ??? and so on. Empathy for a request for a blanket restatement of my thoughts ... not so much. :-)



Try your best and we can go from there. I'll try not to be harsh in any criticism.
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Re: Humans are Parochial, Territorial and Feral

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:32 am

Zero_Sum wrote:
pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:
My ability to articulate my thoughts crisply and clearly is often sadly lacking. While I 'see' my thoughts ... expressed as black marks on a screen ... quite clearly ,I have some empathy for those who want clarification of a particular word or term or ??? and so on. Empathy for a request for a blanket restatement of my thoughts ... not so much. :-)



Try your best and we can go from there. I'll try not to be harsh in any criticism.


:lol:
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Re: Humans are Parochial, Territorial and Feral

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:40 am

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:
pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:
My ability to articulate my thoughts crisply and clearly is often sadly lacking. While I 'see' my thoughts ... expressed as black marks on a screen ... quite clearly ,I have some empathy for those who want clarification of a particular word or term or ??? and so on. Empathy for a request for a blanket restatement of my thoughts ... not so much. :-)



Try your best and we can go from there. I'll try not to be harsh in any criticism.


:lol:

I sense a failure of trust between us. :wink:
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Re: Humans are Parochial, Territorial and Feral

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:54 am

Your posts read like output from Sophia the robot.

I'm an old man ... I tire easily.

Over and out :-)
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Re: Humans are Parochial, Territorial and Feral

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:02 am

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:Your posts read like output from Sophia the robot.

I'm an old man ... I tire easily.

Over and out :-)


I am sorry you feel that way but am in no way surprised.

As an old man I would hope you would be smarter than that.
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