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Re: Tax and Healthcare Plan

Postby UrGod » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:33 pm

WendyDarling wrote:How do you know it's safe for consumption? I'm referring to accumulative effects at any rate.


Read the label. Look up from where your food comes. See if your food has a few basic ingredients, and non-GMO organic without preservatives, versus if it has two dozen ingredients most of which you cannot even pronounce.

If you do not use heirloom seeds and grow it organically yourself, then you take your chances with your health, true. It's manufacturing gross profit science versus your biological genetic makeup...who will win? The odds are that it will not be you...all the way from cradle to grave at your expense at every turn. You pay for them to poison your food and re-poison you later with their cures.


Sure there is always risk of traces of pesticides and other shit. You will be fine so long as you balance that out. Health is a cumulative thing, the healthier you are the more you can afford to eat some shit once in a while.

Health is also about physical exercise and being fit, also mentally and emotionally, and not just about the foods you eat. I could eat a macdonald sandwich and it wouldn't even affect me, because I am healthy already. But I don't do that because it tastes like shit. If traces of chemicals are in the foods I select as healthy for myself, that is fine, but really I go out of my way to find good things to eat.

Buy local organic produce and meats, and make your own foods at home. You will feel a lot better, trust me. And then your body will be so badass you can go consume some shit at a restaurant every now and then and it won't bother you.

But even if you get some chemicals in your foods, who the fuck cares? You think you're going to live forever or something? Why are you so hung up on this? The entire point is to do the best you can, and value your existence from all angles according to the highest standards you can find. That's all there is. No "perfection" or "eternal life" is going to be found in any case.
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Re: Tax and Healthcare Plan

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:36 pm

First off, not all cancer is terminal and even if it were purported to be, why wouldn't you try to reverse the effects on the evidence that doctors are not always right in not only their diagnoses but their prognosis's too. You seem to be going through the starkest motions of living which I don't understand, so I'll leave those weird death blessing declarative statements you frequently make alone.

But even if you get some chemicals in your foods, who the fuck cares? You think you're going to live forever or something? Why are you so hung up on this? The entire point is to do the best you can, and value your existence from all angles according to the highest standards you can find. That's all there is. No "perfection" or "eternal life" is going to be found in any case.

It matters because it directly affects the quality of your life. What you breathe, drink, and eat affects every minute of your life or is this angle from which I speak one that you just don't get?

Man, you sure got me riled up. Damn you! :evilfun:

Most healthcare issues are due to poisoned air, water, and food and this poisoning has been going on forever and everybody schleps around with their organic produce like that counters all the other issues that contribute to their own health crisis. Who's connecting the dots? Who's tallying the costs? Healthcare is the least of the costs to society.
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Re: Tax and Healthcare Plan

Postby surreptitious75 » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:52 pm

Assuming it was terminal regardless of what doctors did or did not say then I would definitely want to
go as soon as possible and there is nothing weird about not being afraid of death Wendy nothing at all
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Re: Tax and Healthcare Plan

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:05 pm

surreptitious75 wrote:Assuming it was terminal regardless of what doctors did or did not say then I would definitely want to
go as soon as possible and there is nothing weird about not being afraid of death Wendy nothing at all

How would you know for certain though? That's my point. Be best if you just die without knowing why you feel like shit and why you have pain. Don't go and find out if you plan on doing nothing, you'll go faster without knowing.
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Re: Tax and Healthcare Plan

Postby UrGod » Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:41 am

We all have cancer in our bodies all the time. That's why we have an immune system.

The major disease of cancer that kills you is just a immune weakness, your body can't clear out the cancer cells anymore. So eat some blueberries and exercise and you'll be fine.
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Re: Tax and Healthcare Plan

Postby UrGod » Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:43 am

I've seen chemo kill people. Healthy person is diagnosed with some cancer, start chemo and quickly decline into unhealth and then death. Don't do that.

Stop eating shit, and stop being shit. Boost your immune system. Cmon this isn't hard.

In any case and I hate to spoil the ending but we all die. Sorry. I know that is bothersome to you.
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Re: Tax and Healthcare Plan

Postby Jakob » Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:17 pm

Excellent, thats well said. So glad someone else is taking the scientific approach. Cancer has literally become god to people, they don't dare to question it.

Of course it is preferable to have a clean environment. But the first environment is ones habits.



Interesting fact: cancer kills far more extraverts than introverts.
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Re: Tax and Healthcare Plan

Postby UrGod » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:12 pm

Lol.

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Re: Tax and Healthcare Plan

Postby Fixed Cross » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:42 pm

Macron is introducing a corporate/capital gains flat tax of 30 percent.

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Re: Tax and Healthcare Plan

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:29 am

Jakob wrote:I wrote to PK:
Corporate net profit tax of 20 percent strictly to provide for basic human needs. No taxation of privates.

:idea:

Could that be done?

Healthcare, basic form (doctors checkups, emergency room, recovery), housing (communal) and plenty of foods included in the basic rights of being a human on an exploited Earth.



If you plan on actually taking hold of 20 percent of corporate profits, then you'd either have to raise the rate, or get rid of the loopholes. Right now they can avoid taxes on half by just moving it overseas. So when they raise hell and say they're paying 36 percent, you gotta know that in a worst case scenario they're paying half that effectively. Almost none of the companies or the wealthy actually come out and pay the percentage of their income that's listed initially as their tax rate. They chip away with deductions, hire accountants, and pull every trick in the book to make sure that they pay nothing even close to that by the time it's said and done. If you give them what they want, they'll pay even less. Don't think for a second that the board members of wal-mart, or the high frequency trading crowd gives a shit about educating children, seeing to it that antibiotics aren't artificially scarce, or making the lives of the people beneath them better in any way that costs them a dime.
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Re: Tax and Healthcare Plan

Postby Fixed Cross » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:24 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:
Jakob wrote:I wrote to PK:
Corporate net profit tax of 20 percent strictly to provide for basic human needs. No taxation of privates.

:idea:

Could that be done?

Healthcare, basic form (doctors checkups, emergency room, recovery), housing (communal) and plenty of foods included in the basic rights of being a human on an exploited Earth.



If you plan on actually taking hold of 20 percent of corporate profits, then you'd either have to raise the rate, or get rid of the loopholes. Right now they can avoid taxes on half by just moving it overseas. So when they raise hell and say they're paying 36 percent, you gotta know that in a worst case scenario they're paying half that effectively. Almost none of the companies or the wealthy actually come out and pay the percentage of their income that's listed initially as their tax rate. They chip away with deductions, hire accountants, and pull every trick in the book to make sure that they pay nothing even close to that by the time it's said and done. If you give them what they want, they'll pay even less. Don't think for a second that the board members of wal-mart, or the high frequency trading crowd gives a shit about educating children, seeing to it that antibiotics aren't artificially scarce, or making the lives of the people beneath them better in any way that costs them a dime.

Just, yes.
All this.
This is the plan though - to force them through international diplomacy to effectively pay 20 percent, so that no private person has to ever .... be used as a fucking resource by the stinking government, which then wont stink as much.
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Re: Tax and Healthcare Plan

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:10 pm

So far, all the real world experiments in trickle down economics have resulted in the redistribution of wealth to the richest people.

Here's the trick...

Convince everyone that when you're filthy rich as a result of not supporting the society that enables your wealth, that you'll then, in turn hand all your money out to people less fortunate than you. Then, once you get your tax cut pit into law....just don't hand the money out.

Works every time.
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Re: Tax and Healthcare Plan

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:12 pm

I have an older sister. Reagan was president when I was a kid. If my sister was driving us to the mall, and my mom gave her 20 bucks and said to get me something as well as something for herself, I usually didn't get anything out of it. Children can understand this. If you want me to have 10 bucks, then give me 10 bucks. What purpose could possibly be served by giving it to someone else and trusting them to give it to me?
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Re: Tax and Healthcare Plan

Postby Fixed Cross » Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:07 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:I have an older sister.

That explains everything. Why you learned a lot of worldly stuff very early on - and you didn't get to form the higher ideal, so ideals are alien to you. Not a bad situation to be in I imagine, if you have space in the physical sense so you don't have to give much fucks.

Reagan was president when I was a kid. If my sister was driving us to the mall, and my mom gave her 20 bucks and said to get me something as well as something for herself, I usually didn't get anything out of it. Children can understand this. If you want me to have 10 bucks, then give me 10 bucks. What purpose could possibly be served by giving it to someone else and trusting them to give it to me?

Well that works out marvellously, yes -
we can get 20 percent gains tax on public companies with say a minimal capitalization of a billion dollars, and then they can deduct operational costs form their taxes if they perform philanthropic duties -
yeah that would be one way to make it work. A small and elegant bureaucratic loop to trick everyone into thinking he is getting what he wants so that everyone actually does things in such a way that everyone actually does get what they want.

Brilliant, Smears.
Other way of doing it is just minimizing government, localizing police forces in the letter as much as they already are in spirit, so that communities have to pay directly to have a police force, and so that they can then influence who they get -
and have that government extremely resilient in enforcing the flat 20 percent corporate tax rate by paying tax agencies extremely well. If ou pay people very well you ont grow a bureaucracy - employers understand then that it is not an asset to have someone below you, you need to actually be the one that performs and gets all the money for that work.

Minimize bureaucracy by flat-taxing 10+ digit capital and forfeiting life-sap drawn from private citizens, and treat these tax-men like one would treat knights - give them castles.
Thats how it was done in the olden days.
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Re: Tax and Healthcare Plan

Postby UrGod » Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:25 pm

Tax value making, which is what money is. But only as much as is required to maintain a social infrastructure, so value making can maximize as much as possible without eroding key sectors of the society and ultimately costing more money anyway.

Taxes should be used to distribute a small bit of made value into the hands of those who NEED it, which simply means: into the hands of those who will actually use it valuably. Never give excess tax moneys beyond need to those who aren’t already making more value than they already “need”. Theft is still value-destruction, by converting what is a human existential tectonic layer into a mere “material” layer.

So— meritocracy first, self-responsible first, but this requires that you also create basic conditions for the most people to be capable of producing some value excess.

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Re: Tax and Healthcare Plan

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:55 am

Minimizing federal government and letting local people do what they want, can create some really fucked up localities. People in far out places would start burning witches, legalizing crack, prohibiting vaccines, you name it. The extent to which Americans can be under one government is the extent to which they can be Americans. Too far in the wrong direction and you end up with a bunch of fucked up rogue states all trying to cannibalize each other to survive. Like Alabama goes back to slavery, Detroit becomes the world's largest exporter of crack.
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Re: Tax and Healthcare Plan

Postby Fixed Cross » Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:37 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:Minimizing federal government and letting local people do what they want, can create some really fucked up localities. People in far out places would start burning witches, legalizing crack, prohibiting vaccines, you name it.

And this is a problem how, in a country that had more than 2 votes for Hillary Clont?
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I don't see it getting any crazier. Just less expensive and oppressive.

The extent to which Americans can be under one government is the extent to which they can be Americans.

Yes, American government ensures (as the Constitution implies) that no taxation of private persons is allowed. It would immediately be the best country in the history of man.

Too far in the wrong direction and you end up with a bunch of fucked up rogue states all trying to cannibalize each other to survive. Like Alabama goes back to slavery, Detroit becomes the world's largest exporter of crack.

Its not already?
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Re: Tax and Healthcare Plan

Postby UrGod » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:04 pm

Excess taxation leads to exponential increase in idiots. Americans know this deep in our souls, because we value our freedom more than anything.
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Re: Tax and Healthcare Plan

Postby UrGod » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:05 pm

Freedom is love of hard truth. It requires a kind of strength and character that leftists lack, which is also why leftists are much better at mobbing together like termites.
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Re: Tax and Healthcare Plan

Postby Fixed Cross » Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:03 pm

Being on the left now means not having the will to exist.

Its funny how the left Only talks in terms of "Trump is gay someone should kill him".
Morons dont even notice theyre the sadistic mob.

Fuck the sadistic mob. Let all leftists die.
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Re: Tax and Healthcare Plan

Postby UrGod » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:55 pm

The left stopped being interesting decades ago.
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