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Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?

Postby Greatest I am » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:56 pm

Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?

Our political systems, regardless of who is elected or in power, have become tools of our oligarchs and are designed to insure that they retain their wealth. We are in fact and in reality ruled by our various oligarchs.

Do you recognize that fact?

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Re: Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?

Postby AutSider » Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:13 pm

Yes.

At least, that is what they have become now and what they often do become.
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Re: Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?

Postby Greatest I am » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:49 pm

U C 20/20 on this.

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Re: Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?

Postby James S Saint » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:12 am

Greatest I am wrote:Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?

Our political systems, regardless of who is elected or in power, have become tools of our oligarchs and are designed to ensure that they retain their wealth. We are in fact and in reality ruled by our various oligarchs.

Do you recognize that fact?

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Re: Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?

Postby Greatest I am » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:56 pm

Thanks for your usual. Christian.

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Re: Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?

Postby Zero_Sum » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:52 pm

Yes, governments exists only to protect the very wealthy and powerful while keeping everybody else in perpetual slavery or servitude. Anybody that says otherwise is a damn liar or idiot, take your pick.

Those that support government usually benefit under it somehow ( Or are extremely socially brainwashed.) and those that don't are those trying to escape their own individual fate of enslavement or tyranny to it. That is usually how realpolitik works beyond all the pretentious BS centered on this subject.
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Re: Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?

Postby Arminius » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:48 pm

Greatest I am wrote:Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?

Yes, governments protect the 1%.

And there is an interesting hierarchy (which is an absolutely "democratic" one :lol: ):

(1) 1%. Rulers.
(2) 19%. Governmental and other functionaries (protect the 1% and buffer between the 1% and the 80% - in favor of the 1% of course)
(3) 80%. Enemies (cynically called "people" or "humans"; powerless; always turned against each other and played off against each other).
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Re: Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?

Postby Uccisore » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:52 pm

Such broad sweeping statements about "Governments" as if they are all one kind of thing are moronic.
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Re: Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?

Postby iambiguous » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:25 pm

Uccisore wrote:Such broad sweeping statements about "Governments" as if they are all one kind of thing are moronic.


Indeed, just as broad sweeping statements about liberal governments from conservatives are as moronic as broad sweeping statements of conservative governments from liberals.

It has been my experience however that those who tend to see the world from an objectivist frame of mind tend to embrace [morally/politically] one or another rendition of "right makes might".

That both liberals and conservatives are clearly up to the task of framing the role of government in terms of "one of us" vs. "one of them" doesn't really surprise me at all.

Though with respect to political economy does anyone here still actually believe that wealth and power [in the form of crony capitialism] doesn't prevail with respect to such issues as tax policy?

Does anyone here actually believe that "one man one vote" is "for all practical purposes" the order of the day on Capital Hill and in the White House?

In other words, in this day and age, are there actually still idealists among us?!!
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Re: Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:46 pm

Arminius wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?

Yes, governments protect the 1%.

And there is an interesting hierarchy (which is an absolutely "democratic" one :lol: ):

(1) 1%. Rulers.
(2) 19%. Governmental and other functionaries (protect the 1% and buffer between the 1% and the 80% - in favor of the 1% of course)
(3) 80%. Enemies (cynically called "people" or "humans"; powerless; always turned against each other and played off against each other).

Even systems of court, so called justice systems, and litigation is all about protecting the elite segments of society or putting into law their attitudes of life enforced on everybody else.

The concept of government serving everybody equally impartially of wherever they come from in life is a giant deception that is played all throughout history that only the most gullible accept as fact.
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Re: Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:47 pm

Uccisore wrote:Such broad sweeping statements about "Governments" as if they are all one kind of thing are moronic.

They all serve the same kind of people that run and own everything, their means may differ from each other in practice but the end result is always the same.
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Re: Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:51 pm

iambiguous wrote:
Uccisore wrote:Such broad sweeping statements about "Governments" as if they are all one kind of thing are moronic.


Indeed, just as broad sweeping statements about liberal governments from conservatives are as moronic as broad sweeping statements of conservative governments from liberals.

It has been my experience however that those who tend to see the world from an objectivist frame of mind tend to embrace [morally/politically] one or another rendition of "right makes might".

That both liberals and conservatives are clearly up to the task of framing the role of government in terms of "one of us" vs. "one of them" doesn't really surprise me at all.

Though with respect to political economy does anyone here still actually believe that wealth and power [in the form of crony capitialism] doesn't prevail with respect to such issues as tax policy?

Does anyone here actually believe that "one man one vote" is "for all practical purposes" the order of the day on Capital Hill and in the White House?

In other words, in this day and age, are there actually still idealists among us?!!

In this day and age it is empiricism versus idealism but empiricism is winning as idealists have been rendered impotent. Of course trying to frame all of human society under empiricism alone creates many problems and has had idealists on the run from a standpoint of defeat for more than a century.
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Re: Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?

Postby Uccisore » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:52 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:
Uccisore wrote:Such broad sweeping statements about "Governments" as if they are all one kind of thing are moronic.

They all serve the same kind of people that run and own everything, their means may differ from each other but the end result is always the same.


Yeah, that just seems like a bland cyncism written up like it's an actual position to me.
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Re: Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:53 pm

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Uccisore wrote:Such broad sweeping statements about "Governments" as if they are all one kind of thing are moronic.

They all serve the same kind of people that run and own everything, their means may differ from each other but the end result is always the same.


Yeah, that's stupid.

Explain yourself.
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Re: Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?

Postby Uccisore » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:55 pm

I just don't think something as broad as 'Governments' can be assigned singular motivations or effects. And changing the assignment of motive from "Governments" to "the people who run Governments" doesn't make it any better.
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Re: Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?

Postby Greatest I am » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:58 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:Yes, governments exists only to protect the very wealthy and powerful while keeping everybody else in perpetual slavery or servitude. Anybody that says otherwise is a damn liar or idiot, take your pick.

Those that support government usually benefit under it somehow ( Or are extremely socially brainwashed.) and those that don't are those trying to escape their own individual fate of enslavement or tyranny to it. That is usually how realpolitik works beyond all the pretentious BS centered on this subject.


I agree that we are being brainwashed and dumbed down. The rank and file just keep following the liars.

All we can do is continue to put the truth out here.

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Re: Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?

Postby Greatest I am » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:01 pm

Uccisore wrote:Such broad sweeping statements about "Governments" as if they are all one kind of thing are moronic.


They are all controlled by the oligarchs. We are all slaved to them.

To ignore that they are all the same, is to have bought into the idiotic democratic system you th9nk you belong to.

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Re: Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:05 pm

Greatest I am wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:Yes, governments exists only to protect the very wealthy and powerful while keeping everybody else in perpetual slavery or servitude. Anybody that says otherwise is a damn liar or idiot, take your pick.

Those that support government usually benefit under it somehow ( Or are extremely socially brainwashed.) and those that don't are those trying to escape their own individual fate of enslavement or tyranny to it. That is usually how realpolitik works beyond all the pretentious BS centered on this subject.


I agree that we are being brainwashed and dumbed down. The rank and file just keep following the liars.

All we can do is continue to put the truth out here.

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When governments around the world eventually and inevitably implode which they will the cusp of the situation will be obvious to most however by that time it will be too late as catastrophe will be everywhere. For those in the know we are left with a sort of bewildering amusement on our descent into annihilation. You can either amuse yourself with this or surrender yourself to retirement in despair but alas these are the only choices we have for the controlling authoritarian power structure is an almost invincible behemoth. If you cannot destroy or challenge such a system directly like ancient years past we can only wait patiently in horror for its own downfall in which it simply destroys itself under its own weight. As the old proverb goes,the bigger they are the harder they fall. We can only hope there will be some semblance of life afterwards in the aftermath.
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Re: Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?

Postby Greatest I am » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:05 pm

Uccisore wrote:I just don't think something as broad as 'Governments' can be assigned singular motivations or effects. And changing the assignment of motive from "Governments" to "the people who run Governments" doesn't make it any better.


Yet Hitler's broad system of genocide against the Jews can be seen as the single motivator for Hitler and his entourage.

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Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:07 pm

Uccisore wrote:I just don't think something as broad as 'Governments' can be assigned singular motivations or effects. And changing the assignment of motive from "Governments" to "the people who run Governments" doesn't make it any better.

What else is there concerning any kind of government other than the system or implementation of power benefiting the powerful? Please tell me what else there is.
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Re: Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?

Postby Greatest I am » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:11 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:Yes, governments exists only to protect the very wealthy and powerful while keeping everybody else in perpetual slavery or servitude. Anybody that says otherwise is a damn liar or idiot, take your pick.

Those that support government usually benefit under it somehow ( Or are extremely socially brainwashed.) and those that don't are those trying to escape their own individual fate of enslavement or tyranny to it. That is usually how realpolitik works beyond all the pretentious BS centered on this subject.


I agree that we are being brainwashed and dumbed down. The rank and file just keep following the liars.

All we can do is continue to put the truth out here.

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When governments around the world eventually and inevitably implode which they will the cusp of the situation will be obvious to most however by that time it will be too late as catastrophe will be everywhere. For those in the know we are left with a sort of bewildering amusement on our descent into annihilation. You can either amuse yourself with this or surrender yourself to retirement in despair but alas these are the only choices we have for the controlling authoritarian power structure is an almost invincible behemoth. If you cannot destroy or challenge such a system directly like ancient years past we can only wait patiently in horror for its own downfall in which it simply destroys itself under its own weight. As the old proverb goes,the bigger they are the harder they fall. We can only hope there will be some semblance of life afterwards in the aftermath.


I am more optimistic as I see a French type revolution on the way in many countries.

Sure, we are dumbed down but not to the point I think you are saying.

One country will begin by bringing their oligarchs to heel and be better contributors to the whole, and that will force other countries to do the same as they will demand a level playing field.

The U.S. or China should led on this but it seems that both countries have lost their zeal for justice and have allowed their oligarchs to rule from behind the throne.

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Re: Are governments just protection rackets for the 1%?

Postby Uccisore » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:14 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:What else is there concerning any kind of government other than the system or implementation of power benefiting the powerful? Please tell me what else there is.


Benefiting other people besides the powerful, for example. Remember, the question posed is not whether or not Governments benefit the powerful, but rather they just benefit the powerful. It seems to me there are Governments that also benefit the weak.

I think it's inevitable that Governments benefit at least the powerful, just because by definition any social structure is going to have somebody at the top, and any extremely elaborate social structure is going to have people that can manipulate the rules to their own benefit. But it's incorrect to say that that's all a State is for, or to put the cart before the horse and say that exploitation is why the state exists.
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Postby Uccisore » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:15 pm

Greatest I am wrote:
Yet Hitler's broad system of genocide against the Jews can be seen as the single motivator for Hitler and his entourage.

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That really doesn't have anything to do with what I was saying, but it's also retarded. No, elimination of Jews was obviously not the single motivation of Hitler and the Nazi party. It would be like claiming genocide against the Kulaks was the single motivator of Stalin.
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Postby Greatest I am » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:17 pm

Uccisore wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:
Yet Hitler's broad system of genocide against the Jews can be seen as the single motivator for Hitler and his entourage.

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That really doesn't have anything to do with what I was saying, but it's also retarded. No, elimination of Jews was obviously not the single motivation of Hitler and the Nazi party.


Tell that to the Jews.

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Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:17 pm

Greatest I am wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:
I agree that we are being brainwashed and dumbed down. The rank and file just keep following the liars.

All we can do is continue to put the truth out here.

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I am more optimistic as I see a French type revolution on the way in many countries.

Sure, we are dumbed down but not to the point I think you are saying.

One country will begin by bringing their oligarchs to heel and be better contributors to the whole, and that will force other countries to do the same as they will demand a level playing field.

The U.S. or China should led on this but it seems that both countries have lost their zeal for justice and have allowed their oligarchs to rule from behind the throne.

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Certainly fighting back against the global systemic form of tyranny will be a reality eventually but not until after the collapse, the global oligarchy at this point is too powerful and pervasive at the moment to be challenged in any kind of serious way. A great deal of many powerful people have died trying and have been squashed. With everybody being so divided also I don't believe it will be a singular movement either but instead a variety of movements vying for legitimacy in the vacuum of power after collapse. Civil war and strife will become common play. What comes after that nobody knows.
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