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White European preservation policies

Postby phyllo » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:21 pm

There a lot of posts talking about preserving whites of European descent.

What policies and laws could be used for that purpose which would not be quickly abused and which would not set up a two-class or multi-class society?

One could stop all immigration from non-European countries but Western countries already have large non-European, non-white communities.
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Re: White European preservation policies

Postby tentative » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:48 pm

phyllo wrote:There a lot of posts talking about preserving whites of European descent.

What policies and laws could be used for that purpose which would not be quickly abused and which would not set up a two-class or multi-class society?

One could stop all immigration from non-European countries but Western countries already have large non-European, non-white communities.


Needing to "preserve" whites is pure crappola. We're here and we aren't going away any time soon. It's true that the demographics are changing not only here, but globally. The term preserve is simply code for hanging on to power along with white privilege.

There are no policies that could preserve white power without setting up a multi-class society. If you need an example, look at India. The caste system was in place a loooong time. It doesn't work very well in todays world. But the clamor for class/race segregation is out there. It always has been. It's damn difficult to be superior unless I can define "others" as inferior.

You can't stop immigration. You can slow it down but it will happen over time. People will immigrate to escape chaos or to find a chance at a better living. Nothing will ever stop this.

A cute joke: If we build a 15 foot high wall we will create a new industry building 16 foot tall ladders.
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Re: White European preservation policies

Postby Carleas » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:37 pm

Here's an idea: demographic changes in the proportion of humanity of various races is driven in large part by birth rates, which have fallen in the (mostly white) first world and remained high in the (mostly non-white) developing world. There is strong evidence from Europe and the US that birth rates for a given population fall as wealth rises. So if we want to equalize birth rates, and thus slow the current demographic trends, all we have to do is raise the average wealth among non-whites to the level of wealth among whites, by helping the developing world and reducing racial inequality domestically.

Turns out equality, redistribution, and social justice are the best ways to preserve whites (with the added benefit that once you get on board with those, the only group you really care about preserving is humanity).
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Re: White European preservation policies

Postby phyllo » Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:32 pm

It's all about birth rates???
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Re: White European preservation policies

Postby James S Saint » Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:36 pm

Carleas wrote:Here's an idea: demographic changes in the proportion of humanity of various races is driven in large part by birth rates, which have fallen in the (mostly white) first world and remained high in the (mostly non-white) developing world. There is strong evidence from Europe and the US that birth rates for a given population fall as wealth rises. So if we want to equalize birth rates, and thus slow the current demographic trends, all we have to do is raise the average wealth among non-whites to the level of wealth among whites, by helping the developing world and reducing racial inequality domestically.

Turns out equality, redistribution, and social justice are the best ways to preserve whites (with the added benefit that once you get on board with those, the only group you really care about preserving is humanity).

Yeah right. Just MAKE EVERYONE RICH, then they will forget all about the propaganda to hate whites. Sounds like PK.
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Re: White European preservation policies

Postby WendyDarling » Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:48 pm

I don't want to be rich, excessive waste is not my style. Why would I be happy speeding up the destruction of the Earth so I could have a big, overabundance of crap? I mean really.
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Re: White European preservation policies

Postby Arminius » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:40 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Carleas wrote:Here's an idea: demographic changes in the proportion of humanity of various races is driven in large part by birth rates, which have fallen in the (mostly white) first world and remained high in the (mostly non-white) developing world. There is strong evidence from Europe and the US that birth rates for a given population fall as wealth rises. So if we want to equalize birth rates, and thus slow the current demographic trends, all we have to do is raise the average wealth among non-whites to the level of wealth among whites, by helping the developing world and reducing racial inequality domestically.

Turns out equality, redistribution, and social justice are the best ways to preserve whites (with the added benefit that once you get on board with those, the only group you really care about preserving is humanity).

Yeah right. Just MAKE EVERYONE RICH, then they will forget all about the propaganda to hate whites. Sounds like PK.
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The Non-European (Non-White) communities exist merely in Old-Europe, thus not in the whole Europe. Slavic and Baltic countries as well as the Hungarian country and the Romanian country do not have Non-European (Non-White) communities, as far as I know.

According to the majority of the Non-Europeans, "trying to make Non-Europeans rich" means "trying to make Europeans out of Non-Europeans", thus: "trying to insult Non-Europeans". They want money, yes, but they know how to get it without being insulted. They do not want any advice coming from Europeans (Whites). And this fact increases the more, the more Non Europeans and especially the more generations of Non-Europeans Europe has.
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Re: White European preservation policies

Postby AutSider » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:06 pm

It's easy. Kill all non-whites in white countries (they deserve it for being stupid enough to think they get to use the territory and resources of whites), and shoot any non-white who crosses the border.

Whites should have not only the right - but the duty, to kill any non-white on sight. After they kill the non-white, they would cut off the head of the non-white and receive a reward for the kill.

See how easy it is? It is incredibly easy to stop immigration, and it is incredibly easy to get rid of non-whites in white societies. All you have to do is abandon the enemy's morality where the lives of enemies matter.

So stuff like this:

You can't stop immigration. You can slow it down but it will happen over time. People will immigrate to escape chaos or to find a chance at a better living. Nothing will ever stop this.


Is obvious nonsense.

Do you think these immigrants:

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would keep coming if they were welcomed with a Right Wing Death Squad that shot them all to death with machine guns?

Of course not. They'd stay the fuck away from any country that did that.
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Re: White European preservation policies

Postby tentative » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:25 pm

Aut,

Such bullshit! Immigration WILL continue as it has for millennia. Think about it: Immigrants came to North America, killed off as much of the native population as possible, and took over. They now call it Canada and the U.S. Think it couldn't happen again? You wanna play might makes right, look out. If you have what they want...
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Re: White European preservation policies

Postby AutSider » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:36 pm

The only reason immigration to white countries can happen is that whites have been infected with a perverted mind-virus that makes them accept self-destructive things like immigration.

Whites could easily stop it if they wanted to, that's all I'm saying.

In the past, VIOLENT CONQUESTS happened, I don't think there is a single time in history where a peoples (such as whites now) established a high society and then just chose to let in hordes of inferior filth so that they can take over the society.

Like I said, whites have been infected with a very weird and perverted mind-virus.
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Re: White European preservation policies

Postby James S Saint » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:42 pm

AutSider wrote:The only reason immigration to white countries can happen is that whites have been infected with a perverted mind-virus that makes them accept self-destructive things like immigration.

Whites could easily stop it if they wanted to, that's all I'm saying.

In the past, VIOLENT CONQUESTS happened, I don't think there is a single time in history where a peoples (such as whites now) established a high society and then just chose to let in hordes of inferior filth so that they can take over the society.

Like I said, whites have been infected with a very weird and perverted mind-virus.

They could also wipe out all diseases if they wanted to. But they don't want to. So what do you expect?
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Re: White European preservation policies

Postby Faust » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:48 pm

In a nutshell, the U. S. allows immigration because immigrants have historically occupied the bottom rung of the economic scale. In large part, they still do. In a very large and young (and now, wealthy) country with a great many natural resources, you need people to clean toilets, pick crops, cut lawns and do the most dangerous work. I have said this many times before, but back when i used to winter in Southwest Florida, it became abundantly clear that in hospitality/food service, landscaping, golf course maintenance, highway construction,the low rungs of the construction industry (to name a few) immigrants (mostly from mexico and central america) were necessary for the economy to function.

In short, brown people were making white people wealthier. It is much the same now, only less so than when I was down there. This circumstance is extant all over the country.

Immigrants make those who are already here wealthier.
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Re: White European preservation policies

Postby Carleas » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:52 pm

Arminius wrote:According to the majority of the Non-Europeans, "trying to make Non-Europeans rich" means "trying to make Europeans out of Non-Europeans"...

I don't think this is true. Japan and, more recently, China and India have embraced western capitalism and lifted millions of non-Europeans out of poverty, without being turned into Europeans.

AutSider wrote:...a perverted mind-virus that makes them accept self-destructive things like immigration.

Except that immigration is an economic boon for the US. Immigrants are net contributors to the economy, they create more jobs than they take, and they're less criminal than native born Americans.

Immigration isn't "self-destructive" unless your conception of self includes an irrational prejudice on the basis of skin color. That prejudice may be destroyed by looking into the empirical evidence about immigration.

EDIT: basically what Faust said.
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Re: White European preservation policies

Postby Arminius » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:08 pm

Carleas wrote:
Arminius wrote:According to the majority of the Non-Europeans, "trying to make Non-Europeans rich" means "trying to make Europeans out of Non-Europeans"...

I don't think this is true. Japan and, more recently, China and India have embraced western capitalism and lifted millions of non-Europeans out of poverty, without being turned into Europeans.

You seem to have no idea of what has happened and still happens in Europe, especially in Old-Europe. We are talking about Europeans and islamic people from Africa and West Asia. This has nothing to do with East Asians. Also, China and India are very, very, very young capitalistic countries. Your comparision is absurd.

Also and in this case, please quote my whole sentence or even, if necessary, the whole text and not only a part of a scentence. One of the main points of my above text again:

Arminius wrote:According to the majority of the Non-Europeans, "trying to make Non-Europeans rich" means "trying to make Europeans out of Non-Europeans", thus: "trying to insult Non-Europeans". They want money, yes, but they know how to get it without being insulted. They do not want any advice coming from Europeans (Whites). And this fact increases the more, the more Non Europeans and especially the more generations of Non-Europeans Europe has.

Africans and West Asians are not like East Asians. Here, in this thread, we are talking about "European preservation policies" (see the topic of this thread), and, when it comes to immigration, about islamic people from Africa and West Asia, not about East Asians.
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Re: White European preservation policies

Postby tentative » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:43 pm

Arminius wrote:
Carleas wrote:
Arminius wrote:According to the majority of the Non-Europeans, "trying to make Non-Europeans rich" means "trying to make Europeans out of Non-Europeans"...

I don't think this is true. Japan and, more recently, China and India have embraced western capitalism and lifted millions of non-Europeans out of poverty, without being turned into Europeans.

You seem to have no idea of what has happened and still happens in Europe, especially in Old-Europe. We are talking about Europeans and islamic people from Africa and West Asia. This has nothing to do with East Asians. Also, China and India are very, very, very young capitalistic countries. Your comparision is absurd.

Also and in this case, please quote my whole sentence and not only parts of it. This is what I said:

Arminius wrote:According to the majority of the Non-Europeans, "trying to make Non-Europeans rich" means "trying to make Europeans out of Non-Europeans", thus: "trying to insult Non-Europeans". They want money, yes, but they know how to get it without being insulted. They do not want any advice coming from Europeans (Whites). And this fact increases the more, the more Non Europeans and especially the more generations of Non-Europeans Europe has.

Africans and West Asians are not like East Asians. Here, in this thread, we are talking about "European preservation policies" (see the topic of this thread), and, when it comes to immigration, about islamic people from Africa and West Asia, not about East Asians.


I'm reading a heavily distorted view of history here. You have to go back to the early years after WW11. Europe was in shambles and simply didn't have enough laborers to clean up the mess and re-vitalize their economies. They welcomed immigrants from everywhere. Most of this first wave of immigrants assimilated even though they occupied the lower rungs of the economic ladder. It is their children who are the loud voices. The European whites made the mistake of keeping the non-whites down economically making assimilation difficult if not impossible. The disillusioned youth turned to the mullahs and wannabe revolutionaries hoping for some sort of resolution. Both are wrong. The non-whites in Europe simply want to become the equal citizen in every country. At that point, assimilation is possible. To be sure, there are plenty of people on both sides who are trying their best to promote fear and hatred of the "others", but it is a fools game being repeated again and again.
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Re: White European preservation policies

Postby Arminius » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:50 pm

tentative wrote:Immigrants came to North America, killed off as much of the native population as possible, and took over. They now call it Canada and the U.S. Think it couldn't happen again? You wanna play might makes right, look out. If you have what they want...

So you are saying that Europeans should be killed off by immigrants? Why? Why are you such an anti-white or anti-European racist? If you a North American citizen of European origin, then why do you not know any historical fact about Europeans?

tentative wrote:I'm reading a heavily distorted view of history here.

So you are admitting that you are reading your own heavily distorted view of history here (see above).
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Re: White European preservation policies

Postby Is_Yde_opN » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:08 pm

Arminius wrote:
tentative wrote:Immigrants came to North America, killed off as much of the native population as possible, and took over. They now call it Canada and the U.S. Think it couldn't happen again? You wanna play might makes right, look out. If you have what they want...

So you are saying that Europeans should be killed off by immigrants? Why? Why are you such an anti-white or anti-European racist? If you a North American citizen of European origin, then why do you knot know any historical fact about Europeans?


He's making a great argument for why immigration is very bad for European countries, but really, it doesn't matter how nice you are or how nice you have been, they gonna find a reason to get what they want. In fact, the less nice you are the more they respect you.

They will say nation of immigrants also about Germany or the United Kingdom, or Sweden - Well duh, somebody has been moving to those places at times, sometimes as an invader sometimes as an actual immigrant, therefore no reason to oppose mass immigration of people of different racial stock and its derived different culture, lol.

As I've said before, the arguments really don't matter.
Immigration is good, now (it wasn't good under Clinton in the 90s but that's a long time ago), that's all you need to know.
All these arguments are rationalisations for the already established moral good, through the muh feelz and the muh economy angle.
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Re: White European preservation policies

Postby tentative » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:11 pm

Arminius wrote:
tentative wrote:Immigrants came to North America, killed off as much of the native population as possible, and took over. They now call it Canada and the U.S. Think it couldn't happen again? You wanna play might makes right, look out. If you have what they want...

So you are saying that Europeans should be killed off by immigrants? Why? Why are you such an anti-white or anti-European racist? If you a North American citizen of European origin, then why do you knot know any historical fact about Europeans?


It's almost impossible to believe that you are incapable of seeing ironic satire. #-o Apparently, it sailed right over your head. I'll just leave it at that.
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Re: White European preservation policies

Postby James S Saint » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:48 pm

tentative wrote:The European whites made the mistake of keeping the non-whites down economically making assimilation difficult if not impossible.

.. a distorted new-age view. The White Europeans were doing what they had to do in order to make progress and that included keeping out less disciplined races and cultures. For their troubles, they became the envy of other less progressive cultures who sought and still seek means to infiltrate and take advantage of what they could not earn for themselves.

In the long run, it is still just a puppet show. The puppeteers use any excuse to sway the arms and hearts of the puppets. The rabble of Arabs didn't gather together and decide to invade Germany on their own .. nor the Blacks and Mexicans in the USA.
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Re: White European preservation policies

Postby tentative » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:19 pm

James S Saint wrote:
tentative wrote:The European whites made the mistake of keeping the non-whites down economically making assimilation difficult if not impossible.

.. a distorted new-age view. The White Europeans were doing what they had to do in order to make progress and that included keeping out less disciplined races and cultures. For their troubles, they became the envy of other less progressive cultures who sought and still seek means to infiltrate and take advantage of what they could not earn for themselves.

In the long run, it is still just a puppet show. The puppeteers use any excuse to sway the arms and hearts of the puppets. The rabble of Arabs didn't gather together and decide to invade Germany on their own .. nor the Blacks and Mexicans in the USA.


Wow. Talk about a distorted new-age view...

The whites were doing what they had to do to make progress? Yeah, if keeping wages deliberately low, a glass ceiling for education and advancement aimed at non-whites, etc.

Less disciplined races and cultures? Whaaaa?

Less progressive cultures?

Your assumptions are mind boggling.
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Re: White European preservation policies

Postby James S Saint » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:27 pm

tentative wrote:Wow. Talk about a distorted new-age view...

The whites were doing what they had to do to make progress? Yeah, if keeping wages deliberately low, a glass ceiling for education and advancement aimed at non-whites, etc.

Less disciplined races and cultures? Whaaaa?

Less progressive cultures?

Your assumptions are mind boggling.

My view is hardly new-age.
But how would you know one way or another?
I have experience involved in such things that I am certain that you do not have.

And in a similar way, why do you think that the Orientals kept out the Europeans and Semites?

Just look at your history. Anyone could have developed technology and tiny traces of it were found everywhere. But who actually brought it to fruition (whether good or bad)? Similar with civilization. The Chinese and Japanese properly considered the West to be animalistic barbarians and the Middle East, no more than insidious serpents destroying everything in sight.
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It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

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Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

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Re: White European preservation policies

Postby tentative » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:39 pm

James S Saint wrote:
tentative wrote:Wow. Talk about a distorted new-age view...

The whites were doing what they had to do to make progress? Yeah, if keeping wages deliberately low, a glass ceiling for education and advancement aimed at non-whites, etc.

Less disciplined races and cultures? Whaaaa?

Less progressive cultures?

Your assumptions are mind boggling.

My view is hardly new-age.
But how would you know one way or another?
I have experience involved in such things that I am certain that you do not have.

And in a similar way, why do you think that the Orientals kept out the Europeans and Semites?


Another condescending retort... How Jamesie of you.

Your experience is wrong but that is obvious to anyone but you.

The Asian closed societies have absolutely nothing to do with this thread - and if you don't know that, perhaps you need more experience.
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Re: White European preservation policies

Postby phyllo » Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:22 pm

It's too simple to say that whites blocked the assimilation of non-whites. There are lots of reasons why immigrants (or particular groups) do not assimilate and do not want to assimilate.

One of the complaints about immigrants is that they don't assimilate.

If you believe in multiculturalism, then you believe that assimilation is not required or desirable.
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Re: White European preservation policies

Postby Faust » Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:14 pm

phyllo - I think the issue of assimilation has been framed poorly by some - that is to say that assimilation has been presented as a problem per se and not because a lack of assimilation causes other problems. Put simply but awkwardly, a lack of assimilation is a problem if it's a problem. I don't find the lack of assimilation much of a problem in america, but if it is, it should be looked at in terms of a cost/benefit ratio. Not just literal monetary cost, but social costs.

I guess some Amish and similar communities haven't assimilated as much as many other groups. What are the costs of that and what are the benefits?

One effect of assimilation that I have seen is that ethnic neighborhoods tend to disperse over time, especially outside of large cities. usually, I have felt a loss when that happens. The restaurants, markets and stores, the ethnic celebrations, the rich cultural landscapes tend to get watered down and often disappear. Places get homogenized. It's kinda too bad, but stopping that from happening may cost more in money or personal freedom than what it is worth.

But there always seem to be new groups coming here to repeat the process. And it is a process. The new and 'foreign" groups of today tend to become the assimilated groups of tomorrow and are often groups that want to shut the door behind them.

What drives the opposition to new groups can often be boiled down to this - fear. That's what i see in neo-nazis, in general. Unmitigated and embarrassing fear. Except that they are too craven and frightened to be embarrassed. Sometimes I am even embarrassed for them. Mostly, I feel sorry for them.
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Re: White European preservation policies

Postby tentative » Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:23 pm

phyllo wrote:It's too simple to say that whites blocked the assimilation of non-whites. There are lots of reasons why immigrants (or particular groups) do not assimilate and do not want to assimilate.

One of the complaints about immigrants is that they don't assimilate.

If you believe in multiculturalism, then you believe that assimilation is not required or desirable.


You're right. One of the problems with on line discussion is that we try to condense complexity into two or three sentences. The result is that we paint with a broom instead of a three hair camel brush. We're all guilty of this here and there, now and then. Still that doesn't mean that whites didn't suppress non-whites even though it is just one of the many reasons...

I don't think that you can reduce multiculturism to either/or assimilation. Retaining old traditions is common and even desirable for a immigrant. It allows them to have a "past". The key to assimilation is identifying as a citizen of their new home. If they aren't welcomed into the new country, then assimilation takes much longer. There are many examples of white Europeans who came to this country and spent one or two generations in literally "ghettoized" communities because they weren't welcomed by the general population.
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