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In Defense of a Nation

Postby WW_III_ANGRY » Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:53 pm

My fellow humans, I must apologize for the emotionalism of many of the Americans you see online in social media, or by certain media personalities defense of Trump.

A large part of the country has been going through an emotional tantrum rooted from their anger. What has become of them have been nothing but emotional compulsory outbursts devoid of intellectual integrity, aside from rare possible glimpses of what may have been their former selves. You will see and have seen in this forum on a regular basis, emotional outburst after emotional outburst, whether it be a response, or a new topic, they are usually devoid of any coherent reason as to why they are having an emotional outburst. On display currently, you can and will see that they are angry and have let anger take over them, perhaps years ago, and this has reduced them to trolls and anti intellectual emotionalism.

There is no reasoning with unreasonable people, there is only a way to emotionally connect with these emotional thinkers. Donald Trump does that for them. He satisfies their desire to validate their anger. He is the representation of their anger that has built up and culminated to a point where they have begun to present apologist arguments in defense of the likes of Nazism as long as it is compared to what they have been directed to become angry at. That being, anyone who is a reasonable person, those who are critics of Trump’s wild and reckless behavior, critics of his mind numbing stupidity and own blatant emotionalism. He is them, he is their anger and that is all he actually represents.

Their anger was built on many things, but first it was built on ignorance and their own failure to comprehend complex matters. It was built on their own failure to navigate through an ever changing economy, their own failure to plan accordingly for the future, their own failure to understand human nature and the necessity of love, particularly for the strength of a nation. It was built on their own failure to prepare for our culture that has and will continue to change, and it was built on their own failure to understand that their anger and emotional outbursts are not going to solve their problem, it is just going to exasperate it.

They are sustained by only propaganda that directs their attention to things they must hate, because they are scared inside. They are scared because of their failures above, and have nothing left but anger to react emotionally, which leads to them electing the most unreasonable, emotional blithering fool our nation has ever seen step into the white house.

You will not see well reasoned thought come from them, you will see trollish anger that boils over into hate often. We can see that anger and hate lead the nation nowhere, the President is stuck in a routine of failure, because emotionalism is not a way to understand complex geo political issues, let alone complex internal issues. It is apparent to me that this huge emotional outburst that you see here and see in our president, is the death throes of a dead, hateful ideology that has risen from their own ineptitudes. For that, I am sorry, as these death throes will last some time, but it will die eventually. As these death throes can reverberate, it can do a lot of damage for us all, but there are still a majority of reasonable people in this nation. Please bear with us through this reckless time, our nation will be back after we vomit out the dying that are aforementioned.

Thank you for your understanding.
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Re: In Defense of a Nation

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:57 pm

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Re: In Defense of a Nation

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Sep 01, 2017 1:01 am

certain media personalities defense of Trump.

Who are these major network, primetime, media personalities? How did I miss their glowing reviews?
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Re: In Defense of a Nation

Postby surreptitious75 » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:46 am


Alex Jones

Mike Tyson

Ann Coulter

Sean Hannity

James Woods

Katie Hopkins

Lauren Southern

Milo Yiannopoulus

Paul Joseph Watson

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Re: In Defense of a Nation

Postby James S Saint » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:58 am

surreptitious75 wrote:
Alex Jones

Mike Tyson

Ann Coulter

Sean Hannity

James Woods

Katie Hopkins

Lauren Southern

Milo Yiannopoulus

Paul Joseph Watson


Those are "Primetime"??? :lol:
Yeah, right...
Forbes wrote:25 Most Influential Biased, Trump Hating Liberals in the Media

Michael Pollan
Kurt Andersen
Kevin Drum
Ezra Klein
James Fallows
Gerald Seib
Andrew Sullivan
Glenn Greenwald
Hendrick Hertzberg
Matthew Yglesias
Maureen Dowd
Christopher Hitchens
Bill Moyers
Chris Matthews
Fareed Zakaria
Markos Moulitsas Zuniga
David Shipley
Joshua Micah Marshall
Rachael Maddow
Oprah Winfrey
Jon Stewart
Thomas Friedman
Fred Hiatt
Arianna Huffington
Paul Krugman
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

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Re: In Defense of a Nation

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:11 am

surreptitious75 wrote:
Alex Jones

Mike Tyson

Ann Coulter

Sean Hannity The only name you listed that is a major network, primetime, media personality.

James Woods

Katie Hopkins

Lauren Southern

Milo Yiannopoulus

Paul Joseph Watson

I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: In Defense of a Nation

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:16 am

James,

Your list would be much longer if you made it rather than Forbes...ya know? I mean...no Whoopi Goldberg :?: :evilfun:
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I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

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Re: In Defense of a Nation

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:37 am

James S Saint:
Forbes wrote:25 Most Influential Biased, Trump Hating Liberals in the Media

Michael Pollan
Kurt Andersen
Kevin Drum
Ezra Klein
James Fallows
Gerald Seib
Andrew Sullivan
Glenn Greenwald
Hendrick Hertzberg
Matthew Yglesias
Maureen Dowd
Christopher Hitchens
Bill Moyers
Chris Matthews
Fareed Zakaria
Markos Moulitsas Zuniga
David Shipley
Joshua Micah Marshall
Rachael Maddow
Oprah Winfrey
Jon Stewart
Thomas Friedman
Fred Hiatt
Arianna Huffington
Paul Krugman
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K: and 45 should be despised by these people and more.....45 is on pace to become
the worst president in American history.. even worse then George Bush Jr. who up to now
has been the worst president in history.......

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Re: In Defense of a Nation

Postby WW_III_ANGRY » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:04 pm

WendyDarling wrote:
certain media personalities defense of Trump.

Who are these major network, primetime, media personalities? How did I miss their glowing reviews?


By "media personalities", that is not restricted to major network, primetime media personalities.

We are not in an age when "major network, primetime media personalities" are where people get their information from as well.
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Re: In Defense of a Nation

Postby WW_III_ANGRY » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:05 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:=D>

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Re: In Defense of a Nation

Postby James S Saint » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:48 pm

WendyDarling wrote:James,

Your list would be much longer if you made it rather than Forbes...ya know? I mean...no Whoopi Goldberg :?: :evilfun:

It was just the most influential 25 out of hundreds of the haters.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: In Defense of a Nation

Postby WW_III_ANGRY » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:47 pm

James S Saint wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:James,

Your list would be much longer if you made it rather than Forbes...ya know? I mean...no Whoopi Goldberg :?: :evilfun:

It was just the most influential 25 out of hundreds of the haters.


There is no argumentum ad populum argument to defend against here.
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Re: In Defense of a Nation

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:52 pm

Finally, some of the leftie media personalities are starting to condemn ANTIFA and that is a siding with Trump's assessment of the Charlottesville riot that both sides had bad people in their ranks. Finally, the left has no choice but to side with sanity. ANTIFA fascism to kill the first amendment's free speech and peaceful assembly are now becoming the new targets of the media. The Altleft has big problems with their rampant physical violence and destruction of property.


MSNBC...the rebels... :lol:


Fox News "people completely misinformed" that describes the left
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Re: In Defense of a Nation

Postby WW_III_ANGRY » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:54 pm

WendyDarling wrote:Finally, some of the leftie media personalities are starting to condemn ANTIFA and that is a siding with Trump's assessment of the Charlottesville riot that both sides had bad people in their ranks. Finally, the left has no choice but to side with sanity. ANTIFA fascism to kill the first amendment's free speech and peaceful assembly are now becoming the new targets of the media. The Altleft has big problems with their rampant physical violence and destruction of property.


MSNBC...the rebels... :lol:


Ah, some good ole whataboutism. Excellent display of confirming the emotionalism I speak of in the OP. Not a reasonable response to deflect to this, but it does make you feel better, yes? Yes. It does. Because whataboutism seems like it is often a defense mechanism.
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Re: In Defense of a Nation

Postby phyllo » Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:06 pm

Their anger was built on many things, but first it was built on ignorance and their own failure to comprehend complex matters. It was built on their own failure to navigate through an ever changing economy, their own failure to plan accordingly for the future, their own failure to understand human nature and the necessity of love, particularly for the strength of a nation. It was built on their own failure to prepare for our culture that has and will continue to change, and it was built on their own failure to understand that their anger and emotional outbursts are not going to solve their problem, it is just going to exasperate it.
Companies have outsourced manufacturing to countries where labor is cheaper or moved the entire company there.

Explain why American workers should not be angry about that, how they should plan for it and why they should accept it as an reasonable change to their society.
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Re: In Defense of a Nation

Postby surreptitious75 » Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:57 pm

Wendy wrote:
ANTIFA fascism to kill the first amendments free speech and peaceful assembly are now becoming the new targets of the media

So they should because the First Amendment protects the right of the media and also protects the right of ANTIFA up until the
point at which they engage in criminal behaviour. Not that they care
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Re: In Defense of a Nation

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:15 pm

surreptitious75 wrote:
Wendy wrote:
ANTIFA fascism to kill the first amendments free speech and peaceful assembly are now becoming the new targets of the media

So they should because the First Amendment protects the right of the media and also protects the right of ANTIFA up until the
point at which they engage in criminal behaviour. Not that they care


That First Amendment protection does seem to be the irony of it in the case of the media cutting off their noses to spite their faces, but on the other hand, if no free speech there will be way less fake news. :evilfun:
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Re: In Defense of a Nation

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:21 pm

WW_III_ANGRY wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:Finally, some of the leftie media personalities are starting to condemn ANTIFA and that is a siding with Trump's assessment of the Charlottesville riot that both sides had bad people in their ranks. Finally, the left has no choice but to side with sanity. ANTIFA fascism to kill the first amendment's free speech and peaceful assembly are now becoming the new targets of the media. The Altleft has big problems with their rampant physical violence and destruction of property.


MSNBC...the rebels... :lol:


Ah, some good ole whataboutism. Excellent display of confirming the emotionalism I speak of in the OP. Not a reasonable response to deflect to this, but it does make you feel better, yes? Yes. It does. Because whataboutism seems like it is often a defense mechanism.

Actually, it's an example of the left's defense mechanism of falling in line when they no longer can steer their run away train of insanity. The left has no choice but to make concessions at this point or be silent, made silent by the laws protecting the freedoms they wish to eradicate in the nation they wish to dissolve.

Are you a Commie Traitor like Peter as well?
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Re: In Defense of a Nation

Postby Is_Yde_opN » Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:00 pm

I had a vision....

"
Fellow humans, I believe that you share my modern Western liberal sensibilities of 2017 (which are by now a far cry from 20 even only 10 years ago) and that you would not burst into uncontrollable laughter when my address goes out to you as I tell off those Naaatzees in America what the nation is really about. I can't wait for America to be freed from the majority of former Americans so it can be filled up with people from different nations and ethnicities.
That's a core value of America, to not want to be a nation of Americans, that's just culture, man, as it changes.

Btw. this obviously does not apply to my Chinese listeners, you can obviously keep your nation because I know that saying this kind of nonsense to you would upset you right now. Gotta take baby steps. How about those Tibetans?.... never mind, still not blessed with enough education to prepare you for those reasonable revelations of how your culture is just gonna happen to develop, inevitably.

P.S. 10 years ago I had no idea what would inevitably happen to the whole world. Or to be more precise, at that time I got told, I mean I had a different vision. But this one I currently have, this one is the inevitable, natural way how things gonna play out, promise.

So long, comrades and a happy Kwanza to you bigots too, :-P
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Re: In Defense of a Nation

Postby WW_III_ANGRY » Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:41 pm

phyllo wrote:
Their anger was built on many things, but first it was built on ignorance and their own failure to comprehend complex matters. It was built on their own failure to navigate through an ever changing economy, their own failure to plan accordingly for the future, their own failure to understand human nature and the necessity of love, particularly for the strength of a nation. It was built on their own failure to prepare for our culture that has and will continue to change, and it was built on their own failure to understand that their anger and emotional outbursts are not going to solve their problem, it is just going to exasperate it.
Companies have outsourced manufacturing to countries where labor is cheaper or moved the entire company there.

Explain why American workers should not be angry about that, how they should plan for it and why they should accept it as an reasonable change to their society.


I think that is fair - but then one must wonder who exactly they should direct their anger to, government or corporations or both? Did anyone really not see the inevitability of globalization which began decades ago? I would question the decision of anyone within the past 30 years to attempt a career in manufacturing items that are non-food, why would you risk it? This isn't a secret that labor is cheaper overseas and will be for some time. Is economic isolationism the way to go? People want their cheap crap from China, the same people that complain about losing our jobs overseas, including Trump, act in ways that cause our jobs to be lost overseas. The success of Walmart from the 80's and 90's glares the manufacturing midwest in the eye and exposes their inability to not understand complex geo political issues and their failure to navigate through an ever changing economy.
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Re: In Defense of a Nation

Postby phyllo » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:03 pm

I think that is fair - but then one must wonder who exactly they should direct their anger to, government or corporations or both?
In a democracy, the elected representatives are accountable to the voters. Beyond supplying a product in exchange for money, a corporation has no other responsibilities. So it would seem that government failed to protect the workers/voters.
Did anyone really not see the inevitability of globalization which began decades ago?
The future is difficult to predict. But a large powerful democratic country is not entirely without control and influence so not everything about globalization is "inevitable".
I would question the decision of anyone within the past 30 years to attempt a career in manufacturing items that are non-food, why would you risk it?
What if you only have limited choices? Are you going to turn down a job that you need when it is offered to you?
This isn't a secret that labor is cheaper overseas and will be for some time. Is economic isolationism the way to go?
Maybe some degree of protectionism is necessary.
People want their cheap crap from China, the same people that complain about losing our jobs overseas, including Trump, act in ways that cause our jobs to be lost overseas.
That's were leadership and vision comes in ... knowing what's really important and valuable - don't give up jobs in exchange for cheap crap.

Overall, the anger seems understandable and reasonable. If someone comes along and says that he can make it right again, then he's going to get support. I don't think that support can be dismissed as just irrational and emotional.
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Re: In Defense of a Nation

Postby WW_III_ANGRY » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:15 pm

phyllo wrote:Overall, the anger seems understandable and reasonable. If someone comes along and says that he can make it right again, then he's going to get support. I don't think that support can be dismissed as just irrational and emotional.

Of course there is some anger that is understandable and reasonable.

But of course, in no way is the anger "Understandable and reasonable" to to the point where it was reasonable and understandable to elect a three ring circus barker, a fake university con man, a huckster of cheap Chinese crap clothing, a blatant deranged angry narcissist, an utterly incompetent buffoon, who boasted about being the best at everything, as a reasonable and understandable means to sate anger for globalization. It is far beyond globalization that caused this, it is an anger of their own stupidity, of their own incompetence, of their own overly proud sentiment, anger rooted in propaganda that has polarized them. You have taken a couple little sentences, and compare it to a few little lines and denigrate only what you think should be denigrated, while forsaking the overall message.
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Re: In Defense of a Nation

Postby phyllo » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:31 pm

But of course, in no way is the anger "Understandable and reasonable" to to the point where it was reasonable and understandable to elect a three ring circus barker, a fake university con man, a huckster of cheap Chinese crap clothing, a blatant deranged angry narcissist, an utterly incompetent buffoon, who boasted about being the best at everything, as a reasonable and understandable means to sate anger for globalization. It is far beyond globalization that caused this, it is an anger of their own stupidity, of their own incompetence, of their own overly proud sentiment, anger rooted in propaganda that has polarized them. You have taken a little sentence, and compare it to a few little lines and denigrate only what you think should be denigrated, while forsaking the overall message.
The political system offered the voters a few choices. Hillary was the establishment candidate and a vote for her was a vote for for more of what came previously ... IOW the same policies which had already caused jobs to go out of the country. So if 'jobs' was your big concern, then Trump was really the only way to vote. Whatever his other failings. Right?

I'm basically saying that one needs to look at this with a bit of compassion for the man and woman who are trying to put a roof over the head and food on the table. When you do that, you can move on from petty fighting ... which is what republican versus democrat, conservative versus liberal have become.
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Re: In Defense of a Nation

Postby WW_III_ANGRY » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:38 pm

phyllo wrote:
But of course, in no way is the anger "Understandable and reasonable" to to the point where it was reasonable and understandable to elect a three ring circus barker, a fake university con man, a huckster of cheap Chinese crap clothing, a blatant deranged angry narcissist, an utterly incompetent buffoon, who boasted about being the best at everything, as a reasonable and understandable means to sate anger for globalization. It is far beyond globalization that caused this, it is an anger of their own stupidity, of their own incompetence, of their own overly proud sentiment, anger rooted in propaganda that has polarized them. You have taken a little sentence, and compare it to a few little lines and denigrate only what you think should be denigrated, while forsaking the overall message.
The political system offered the voters a few choices. Hillary was the establishment candidate and a vote for her was a vote for for more of what came previously ... IOW the same policies which had already caused jobs to go out of the country. So if 'jobs' was your big concern, then Trump was really the only way to vote. Whatever his other failings. Right?

I'm basically saying that one needs to look at this with a bit of compassion for the man and woman who are trying to put a roof over the head and food on the table. When you do that, you can move on from petty fighting ... which is what republican versus democrat, conservative versus liberal have become.


Regardless, its not just the election of Trump, it is the continued support based on this type of emotionalism that we even see in this very thread, that continues, that isn't justified because Trump is not some "establishment" candidate. A billionaire who doesn't pay people what he owes them, who files bankruptcies while raking in millions on the bankrupt companies, is going to save the little guy. It's a joke, a con and a result of their own emotionalism. It is a result of their incompetence, the same incompetence that makes them feel disenfranchised by not having a college degree, yet making more than the average person regardless.
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Re: In Defense of a Nation

Postby AutSider » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:39 am

Anger isn't always unjustified. Some people have very good reason to be angry. And anger is a very important and useful emotion, as it enables one to muster the courage and willpower to destroy an enemy and survive.

The white people, "Nazis" you are speaking of, are watching their people get discriminated against and slowly genocided in a nation that is openly hostile to their interests and all of this is enforced at gunpoint of military and police.

They have very good reasons to be angry.

See thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=192812
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