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Re: challenge to those who attack globalism

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:23 pm

Void_X_Zero wrote:Communism is pure evil anti-human, irrational, insane, murderous, soul-devouring, freedom-destroying, self-hating ideology of fantasizing against reality. Communism is literally a cultural-societal suicide button. I've done the theoretical work here outlining exactly why this is in philosophical terms, which I will not sully by posting at ILP. Wendy is free to request it via PM though.

Capitalism is the antithesis of communism. To equate the two is pathologically stupid, thus a sign of communistic thinking. The Red Scare was justified and that threat never went away, it has become much worse. We need a Red Scare awareness today that dwarfs what happened in the 50s-60s.


The RedScare was goofy, silly, political hyperbole and propaganda.

Communism is not inherently evil and neither is capitalism, they are both tools and systems which can be repurposed for good or evil.
Personally I am all for a blend of the two used in different ways, like instead of wasting 90% of our food in America we give it to starving people, but if you make a good product you get to be rich.
It's just that, the system is so rigged and setup in such a way where everyone is constantly in debt from college, medical bills and so with capitalism you just have these monopoly companies like Viacom, WB and all of these monolith companies that you have to suck their dick if you want to get ahead somewhere, and because of capitalism we have this global banking Oligarchy which is trying to take over the world and tell us what to do. Monopoly was a board game meant to warn of the dangers and possible far-reaching, future effects of capitalism.

Furthermore, the fact that modern libs want to take away all of our rights and freedoms and liberties has very little to do with any economic systems, moreso it has to do with their brain chemistry and how their brain functions, and how they view ethics.

I said before, Modern libs have a very similar psychology to Nazis of the 50's, they are like borg, obedient to group dogma and hateful to anything outside the dogma, they are collective thinkers, the safety of the group is more important to the individual, republicans are individualists, care about themselves primarily and the group secondarily, this is why they fight for personal freedoms and liberties as opposed to a hypothetical safety net. And as a reflection of their brain chemistry, republicans are attracted to capitalism because at first glance, it seems to espouse personal freedoms and liberties, but under deeper introspection you realize that the game's dried up, people born long before you already had a stake in the gold, and you're fighting against ancient monopolies, the games already over, a society that worships money is actually the opposite of freedom.
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Re: challenge to those who attack globalism

Postby UrGod » Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:30 pm

No, the Red Scare was indeed silly, but it was actually a crude manifestation of a much more real, serious and subtle problem: the creeping into the USA of Marxist Leftist thought. The Red Scare (the whole "is my neighbor a Soviet spy?" sort of thing) was just a sort of crude unconscious projection of the American people intuitively understanding this dire threat.
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Re: challenge to those who attack globalism

Postby WendyDarling » Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:40 pm

Void_X_Zero wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:Your talking in terms of idealism not realism. Either we have a government of people who represent more people or we have no government, with literally no representation. I offered a new form of government and James S Saint offered his SAM Co-ops. An empty government has no ultimate decision makers or tie breakers and that won't do.


What I want is a much smaller and more fixed government, one that cannot grow because it is expressly prohibited from growing, and also because there is no need for it to grow. Obviously you will have people working in whatever government functions and jobs end up existing. But the government will not exist to "care for you" nor to "represent you"; it will simply exist to carry out certain clearly delimited operations as defined by its charter or Constitution. All other functions and operations would be left to the people themselves, and to market capitalism.

So the citizens would be in charge of their own security domestic and abroad? Government militia protect their people and provide aid in times of disasters, thus caring for you. Government officials represent their citizens, thus representing you in the actions it takes. You are being too narrow-minded in your scope of what the government does. I agree it needs to be smaller and not filled with career politicians, but smart, typical citizens who have a great deal of common sense. What about monopolies? How do we spread the wealth back into the hands of the workers, the consumers? How do you keep markets free and fair? Cunning folks who work in gangs, particularly in market capitalism, impoverish the rest of society.
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Re: challenge to those who attack globalism

Postby UrGod » Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:49 pm

Indeed, and I am not an anarchist or anarcho-capitalist at all, I hate those ideologies.

What is needed is to outline a list of all necessary and sufficient functions of government, make sure the list gets everything that needs to be in there and nothing more, and then instantiate that list into law as Constitution that can never be changed.

I think a lot of the operations that government currently provides do not really need to be provided by government. Or rather, the entire nature of what government means needs to be re-thought from the ground up, even if we keep these operations under a heading of something like "public utility" or similar.
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Re: challenge to those who attack globalism

Postby WendyDarling » Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:06 pm

We have to amend what we already have.
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Re: challenge to those who attack globalism

Postby UrGod » Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:10 pm

WendyDarling wrote:We have to amend what we already have.


Or start over from the ground up, if need be.
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Re: challenge to those who attack globalism

Postby James S Saint » Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:20 pm

Void_X_Zero wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:We have to amend what we already have.


Or start over from the ground up, if need be.

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As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

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Re: challenge to those who attack globalism

Postby MagsJ » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:48 pm

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Peter Kropotkin wrote:Why is globalism bad?


- Globalism produces a condition void of variety as its explicit goal (we are all one). Shall I continue on the ills of lack of variety?

- Globalism undermines freemarket competition and presumes an authority can dictate and properly account for all variables in the universe and proclaim a "right" decision.

You're correct that globalism is the way forward because the rise and fall of empires are cyclic and globalistic tendencies are the way down before the cycle starts anew from the antithetical position.
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Re: challenge to those who attack globalism

Postby Keleuthis » Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:56 am

Globalism contradicts the very idea of the nation-state.

The only coherent future for humanity requires the existence of the nation-state as a political reality. Because it is as fundamental to humanity as is the right to reproduce: the right to form a tribe and have a border and make your own laws.

Also, the multi-lateral institutions that enable the global system to function, drastically limit our, the US', capacity to utilize our most powerful weapon precisely as a weapon, namely our economic leverage, for a kind of lowest common denominator effect happens when a dozen different groups all have to sign off for one simple deal.
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Re: challenge to those who attack globalism

Postby Otto_West » Sun Aug 20, 2017 2:28 am

The global economy will inevitably collapse as it stands today, we can either all become slaves under global government or choose decentralized territorial societies that manage themselves independently. I choose the later.

In the future I think large nations will become a thing of the past as nations dissolve into several miniature nation states. These splinter nations will represent differing ethnic, cultural, political, and economic factions. The United States will be no exception nor will any other western nation as I think this is the future going forward.
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Re: challenge to those who attack globalism

Postby Otto_West » Sun Aug 20, 2017 2:37 am

Concerning the United States splitting up on ethnic lines imagine hispanics taking over the southwest, Asians part of the west coast, African Americans the southeast, and white Europeans taking over the midwest along with the north western coast. That's how I see the United States splitting into several territories.

Also, the native Americans will have their own territorial enclaves as well.

Europe will be divided between muslim territories and native indigenous Europeans.
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Re: challenge to those who attack globalism

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Sun Aug 20, 2017 4:24 am

Putin says: ‘Pope Francis Is Not A Man Of God’

https://youtu.be/eItvcpiwpWE


The Pope dreams of a World government and more recently he said Americans need to be ruled by a World Government as soon as possible for their own good! :mrgreen:

President Putin is wise to the Pope's ruses.
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Re: challenge to those who attack globalism

Postby Chakra Superstar » Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:18 am

Peter Kropotkin wrote:.... those who oppose globalism haven't given a defense of
their position... they have attacked globalism without giving
a defense of their position.... in other words, their beliefs are
negative, not any positive beliefs....so this is your chance....

don't tell us globalism is bad, tell us why your positive beliefs are
correct.... state why you are correct without attacking globalism....
Kropotkin


The push for globalism is the push for total power. That is the ONLY reason one needs to oppose globalization. As Lord Acton said "Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts, absolutely"

Why anyone would want to hand power over to a group of (mostly) foreigners to tell you how to live your life in your own country, is beyond me.

Even if the new leaders were saints, how long would that last? How long would it be till a group of thugs took over? How long would it be till they changed the laws so nobody could challenge them? Where would you go to challenge them? Where would you go to escape their laws?

There are many reasons to oppose globalization but they're almost irrelevant to the one above. If you don't have power over your own life, then nothing globalism promises could be enough.
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Re: challenge to those who attack globalism

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:31 am

Chakra wrote:

There are many reasons to oppose globalization but they're almost irrelevant to the one above. If you don't have power over your own life, then nothing globalism promises could be enough.


Well that's it really, satisfyingly brief and pertinent, nothing more to be said. :o
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Re: challenge to those who attack globalism

Postby James S Saint » Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:40 am

The push for gloBullism is the push for zero individual representation or power. The higher the governance, the less the individual is known, represented, or relevant. GloBullism is proposed solely for the sake of acquiring such absolute power over all life, that absolutely no one makes any difference. And that means YOU, no matter who you are. Relative to global decision dictators (the current socialist UN), you have absolutely no power or relevance.

And if you don't believe that, be my guest to just go try to make a difference.
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The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

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Re: challenge to those who attack globalism

Postby UrGod » Sun Aug 20, 2017 7:59 am

Chakra Superstar wrote:
Peter Kropotkin wrote:.... those who oppose globalism haven't given a defense of
their position... they have attacked globalism without giving
a defense of their position.... in other words, their beliefs are
negative, not any positive beliefs....so this is your chance....

don't tell us globalism is bad, tell us why your positive beliefs are
correct.... state why you are correct without attacking globalism....
Kropotkin


The push for globalism is the push for total power. That is the ONLY reason one needs to oppose globalization. As Lord Acton said "Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts, absolutely"

Why anyone would want to hand power over to a group of (mostly) foreigners to tell you how to live your life in your own country, is beyond me.

Even if the new leaders were saints, how long would that last? How long would it be till a group of thugs took over? How long would it be till they changed the laws so nobody could challenge them? Where would you go to challenge them? Where would you go to escape their laws?

There are many reasons to oppose globalization but they're almost irrelevant to the one above. If you don't have power over your own life, then nothing globalism promises could be enough.


Thank you for this most concise and accurate definition of globalism, as the push for absolute power and control. This is exactly right, it seems to me.

Now I want to ask what accounts for this push? Human greed and lust, Nietzsche's will to power operating under surfaces, or something else, perhaps a 'natural' process of logical consolidation and attempted universalization?

In my work on representative governance I'm discovering that this kind of government and indeed all government is really just a manifestation of s single drive, the drive to "care for" and "represent" human being perfectly and for all eternity. The fact that this drive can never be perfected and thus manifests an essential gap within itself between its aims and its reality is what is pushing governance-power toward absolute status, namely the current mode of globalization. Even the fact that we concede to allow government to care for us and represent us seems to be a deeper problem here, one that is pushing globalization in the way you describe it.
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Re: challenge to those who attack globalism

Postby MagsJ » Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:38 am

Peter.. globalisation would work in an ideal world, but look at the state of the world.. I do not think that the time is now, but perhaps in the future when countries and powerful individuals stop screwing us all over for their next mill/bill/trill.

Otto.. Britain simply needs to rectify the Muslim refugee escalation and not create a separatist country, as that is not an issue here, but any British sympathisers would be more than welcome to join them.
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Re: challenge to those who attack globalism

Postby Otto_West » Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:10 pm

MagsJ wrote:Peter.. globalisation would work in an ideal world, but look at the state of the world.. I do not think that the time is now, but perhaps in the future when countries and powerful individuals stop screwing us all over for their next mill/bill/trill.

Otto.. Britain simply needs to rectify the Muslim refugee escalation and not create a separatist country, as that is not an issue here, but any British sympathisers would be more than welcome to join them.


You don't understand how assimilation and absorption works Magsj overtime, it is either separation or all out internal war. Separation will reduce casualties on all sides by comparison to the other alternative.

No matter what happens conflict is albeit inevitable, you can either limit conflict or have conflict in total. I think the wise thing to do is try to limit and contain conflict for all sides.

For me separation is more wise than integration. There is no peaceful happy ending to integration of societies, it will only breed more conflict until societies are in full upheaval.

I don't think integrationists have quite grasped this yet and probably won't until it is too late.
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Re: challenge to those who attack globalism

Postby Arminius » Sun Aug 20, 2017 7:05 pm

The most important argument against the globalistic dictatorship is freedom, especially in the sense of free thought, free speech, and autarky.

My username stands for freedom. In the year 9, Arminius decided to fight for freedom (with a bit less wealth) and against slavery (wtih a bit more wealth). The German tribes on the other side of the Rhine and (later) also of the limes had more wealth but less freedom. The German tribes of the free Germania Magna had more freedom but less wealth. So what? Who cares? The price for it was it worth. In any case: the trade between free German tribes and the Roman empire grew.

Sometimes it is just better to fight than to always look after more and more wealth - as you can also see here:

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Okay, we know that humans have never been and will never be absoulutely free. But humans can and should be relatively free. This relative freedom requires a permanent fight. Are you ready for that fight?

Peter Kropotkin wrote: my wife and I was in London last may, year ago,
and one of the dishes that was most heavily advertised was
chicken tikka masala, in fact it was considered the most "English"
of dishes.... as we all know, tikka masala is from India....
travel around a city, any city in the US and you will see
restaurant, many different types of restaurants, Indian,
Chinese, Japanese, Mexican, French, Italian.......
Thai...ummmmmmmm, anyway, which culture and customs are
we protecting when we go out to eat at these various restaurants?
you seem to think that cultural is some static thing, it isn't,
it changes and adapts and modifies all the time... there is no
such thing as native culture and custom especially in a country
like the U.S.... we are a country of immigrants and those
immigrants brought their own culture and customs to the U.S
and we have adapted and modified that culture and customs
into our own thing... like Chicken Tikka Masala being the
most important dish in England.......is that the native culture and
customs you are trying to protect?

Kropotkin

Food?

The dish in the UK is probably the worst one in the world. So what? Who cares? We do not need foreign food, poisoned food. We want our own food, produced by us, by ourselves. We want our autarky back, we want our self-sufficiency back.

A nation is the largest political, societal and economical form that is capable of guaranteeing a relatively freedom - especially free thought, free speech and autarky - of its population. A "global society" would not be capable of guaranteeing all that. In practice, there is no "global state", no "global society", no "global human kind", no "global humanity". A "global political and societal form" is only theory, an ideal that the globalistic dictators are using in order to get more and more control over their slaves.
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Re: challenge to those who attack globalism

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sun Aug 20, 2017 7:21 pm

A Shieldmaiden wrote:Putin says: ‘Pope Francis Is Not A Man Of God’

https://youtu.be/eItvcpiwpWE


The Pope dreams of a World government and more recently he said Americans need to be ruled by a World Government as soon as possible for their own good! :mrgreen:

President Putin is wise to the Pope's ruses.


Old Pope I see misses the medieval days where he was God and could rule over all of italy.
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Re: challenge to those who attack globalism

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Aug 20, 2017 7:29 pm

Only Peter would go to London, England without reading about Old Britain and its customs and knowing very well that shepherd's pie and spotted dick are its iconic dishes. Thanks for showing the sane among us that London is a multicultural mess and its original culture is dead to dumb Americans. Hope you enjoyed your visit to India. Next time you visit London, you'll be visiting Syria.
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Re: challenge to those who attack globalism

Postby MagsJ » Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:53 pm

Otto/Arminius/WendyD... apart from the refugee quota and terrorism problems the U.K. is cool, but thank you for your concerns, and yes.. I can speak on behalf of my U.K. homies.. because I am a U.K. homie... we are part of the Commonwealth darlings.. which I am sure you are all aware of?

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Re: challenge to those who attack globalism

Postby Otto_West » Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:31 pm

MagsJ wrote:Otto/Arminius/WendyD... apart from the refugee quota and terrorism problems the U.K. is cool, but thank you for your concerns, and yes.. I can speak on behalf of my U.K. homies.. because I am a U.K. homie... we are part of the Commonwealth darlings.. which I am sure you are all aware of?

You guys are seeing problems where there are none! Don't!


I'm familiar with nationalist causes from all over the world as I am a ferocious consumer of news and political opinions from all over the world including England.
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Re: challenge to those who attack globalism

Postby Serendipper » Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:03 am

It may serve the common good to have a definition of terms:

Capitalism is more properly known as "free-market capitalism" where the environment is total lack of regulation (or else the market would not be free).

Socialism is any regulated form of capitalism (even 1 regulation counts) where regulations exist for the benefit of society; hence, socialism.

Fascism is an extreme form of socialism where the government assumes an authoritarian position but allows private ownership.

Communism is the most extreme socialism where the government takes total control of industry.



Once we admit even one regulation is needed, then it's only a question of how many are appropriate.
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Re: challenge to those who attack globalism

Postby Chakra Superstar » Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:18 am

Peter Kropotkin wrote:challenge to those who attack globalism


Sheep spend their entire lives in fear of being eaten by wolves.
They follow the shepherd because they see him as their protector
and the one who leads them to fresh, green pastures.
In the end, it’s the shepherd who eats them.

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