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Re: the second american civil war began today....

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:05 pm

I am going to address both fixed and wendy in one post......

both of you are making the same mistake...which is base your
opinions of the left on YOUR impression of the left...
your are thinking that the left operates within YOUR idea of what
the left is and not what the left actually is.....

your opinions of the left is not what the left is....

we are nowhere near as homogenize as the right likes to think...
the left covers a far wider area of thought and belief then the right does

the interesting thing is how fixed thinks the left cowers and hides
whereas wendy and others accuse the left of creating and instigate
the violence... so what is it? are we cowing in our beds or are we
instigating violence? the problem here is not with the left but
in your vision or understanding of the left.....

we on the left surprisingly enough, actually do learn from history
and we have a learning curve... we have seen the violence and hate
and racism in the past and we have seen what was needed to fight it in
the past.... from the Nazi's to the battles of the 60's and the cultural
wars since the 1980's.... it seems clear that this round of ignorance and
message of hate and violence and racism/...... need to be battled with
violence... as much as I hate violence... to protect and save our society
and nation, we must respond with force... and once again, I wish
it wasn't that way..... the proper force should be the government and its
forces protecting the society, but with Herr Trumpf being in charge,
we must assume he will direct forces of government against the left
and society...... so we must fight on two fronts... the government and
the right wing fascism.....and we will because we must... it is not
a fight we want or we desire but you gotta do what you gotta do...
to protect society and our very existence.... it will be a long and protracted
war but we will win, not because we are ideological right, but because
we stand with history and progress... our message will remain one
of love and peace but we must fight by whatever means necessary
the message of hate and violence and racism/........

we stand with history because it is the right thing to do...
hate and violence and racism/.... is the wrong side of history
and humanity.....of this we can have no doubt.....
how do I know this? just read history and you will understand
the course of history.... history travels from ignorance and violence
to understanding and love and peace... that is just the way it is....

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Re: the second american civil war began today....

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:15 pm

wendy and others accuse the left of creating and instigate the violence... so what is it?

ANTIFA may be paid opposition, paid to start the violence and ANTIFA stands with the left and destroys property and behaves violently towards whoever they are meant to oppose. I was told that George Soros paid for such violent opposition in the Ukraine so the exact same violent situations would erupt. When people show up to rallies and they are paid to be violent, we have violence. I wonder why the police did not separate the protesters, the legal protesters from the illegal protesters? It's almost as if they were part of this paid, shit-show, to stand back and let people turn into savage animals.
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Re: the second american civil war began today....

Postby Arminius » Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:24 pm

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Often, the lie has more power than the truth, and this is because of the interests of the most powerful people. So, unfortunately, the most people do not know the most parts of the true or real history during their lifetime, and after one or two (or even more) centuries, when the true or real history will be published, they will be dead.
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Re: the second american civil war began today....

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:43 pm

WendyDarling wrote:
wendy and others accuse the left of creating and instigate the violence... so what is it?

ANTIFA may be paid opposition, paid to start the violence and ANTIFA stands with the left and destroys property and behaves violently towards whoever they are meant to oppose. I was told that George Soros paid for such violent opposition in the Ukraine so the exact same violent situations would erupt. When people show up to rallies and they are paid to be violent, we have violence. I wonder why the police did not separate the protesters, the legal protesters from the illegal protesters? It's almost as if they were part of this paid, shit-show, to stand back and let people turn into savage animals.



K: the KKK may be paid opposition, paid to start the violence and KKK stands with the right
destroys property and behaves violently toward whomever they are meant to oppose..
I was told that that the KOCH Brothers paid for such violent opposition in the Ukraine,
the exact same violent situations would erupt.... when people show up to rallies and they are
paid to be violent, we have violence... I wonder why the police did not separate the protesters,
the legal protestors from the illegal protesters? it is almost as if they were part of this paid,
by the Koch brothers, shit-show, to stand back and let people turn into savage animals...

there I fixed the post for you...

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Re: the second american civil war began today....

Postby Otto_West » Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:29 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
Is_Yde_opN wrote:Image


K: and you stand with the message of hate and violence and racism....
it must suck to be you....because you stand with hate and violence
and racism.... standing in the dark..... whereas I stand in the light..
a much happier place....

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Have you ever lived in a city or neighborhood where whites are an ethnic minority? I have twice and I can tell from my experience that's not something anybody of common sense wants to experience. I left the city life three years ago and haven't looked back since.

There's nothing enriched, pleasant, or gifted in such neighborhoods and cities I'll tell you that.

There's nothing fun about living in an area where you're a minority that speaks english where everybody else does not.
Your entire world of fantasy and make believe is doomed, have a nice day.
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Re: the second american civil war began today....

Postby Otto_West » Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:39 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Peter Kropotkin wrote:the civil war began today... the civil war has begun.... on what side are you?

Kropotkin

You wish .. and exactly why is that?
Don't bother.
We know.

The neo Bolsheviks and their useful idiots want to take over western civilization eventually the entire world also. Today they call themselves liberals and neoconservatives.
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Re: the second american civil war began today....

Postby Otto_West » Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:42 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:Its just a warning of what will happen if the left goes too far in their attempts to uproot the USA.

It will not be fair, it will not be nice, it will be extremely deadly and over quite fast.
The left seems to understand this. The "quality newspapers" of Europe (Financial Times, etc) have responded to the attack by toning down their anti Trump rhetoric and admitting that his electorate consists of real people with real issues.

The left will keep responding to right-wing violence by cowering, precisely as they respond to islamic violence -
violence is the only thing the left understands - apparently.

I had expected these papers to strengthen their tone, as invertebrate humans are just not something you count on encountering. But the reality is that the left has no spine and that the more violence the right will use, the more the left will doubt itself.

Civil war is this unlikely. The left does not produce individuals capable of actual combat. They only produce gangs of thugs that attack people in smaller numbers. Now that the right mobilizes in some force, the left will simply be staying home and getting on with their privileged lives.


If they throw the United States and the world into utter chaos they best be prepared to accept the full consequences of everything afterwards. There are numerous individuals (raises hand) and various political factions that would love nothing more than the United States split up into several territories through armed conflict.

It almost makes me want them to succeed in their ongoing idiocy so they can face the fulll repercussions of what they're trying to implement. Be very careful for what you wish for.
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Re: the second american civil war began today....

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:32 am

If only the powerful people who stir the proverbial pot would read that fair warning and understand what it promises.
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Re: the second american civil war began today....

Postby surreptitious57 » Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:02 am

Arminius wrote:
unfortunately the most people do not know the most parts of the true or real history during their lifetime and
after one or two ( or even more ) centuries when the true or real history will be published they will be dead

History is written by the winners but it can be subject to revision at any time when there is the will to do so
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Re: the second american civil war began today....

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:04 am

What do you mean by the winners?
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Re: the second american civil war began today....

Postby surreptitious57 » Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:47 am

I wonder is there much support in America for ANTIFA and the alt right amongst the silent majority
Or is it just a couple of warring factions whose influence the media has blown out of all proportion
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Re: the second american civil war began today....

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Aug 17, 2017 10:49 am

The silent majority supports Trump so what would that support make them...left or right?
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Re: the second american civil war began today....

Postby surreptitious57 » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:08 am

Wendy wrote:
The silent majority supports Trump

You say that yet he actually got less votes than Hillary in the election
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Re: the second american civil war began today....

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:12 am

If he actually got less votes than Hillary, why won't the states who were asked for public voting records not cooperate and release the requested information to Trumps commission investigating voter fraud? The Democrats cheated by adding non-legitimate voters/votes to their reported election results.
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Re: the second american civil war began today....

Postby Is_Yde_opN » Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:03 pm

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Light and Darkness...

Let's be honest here, if you were a white dude with a white shirt and you couldn't speak and yell "I'm a leftist, I'm a leftist, don't hurt me!"
It would probably best to be among the crowd with the tiki torches.

If you were a black dude and you couldn't speak and had no urge to hurt other people, you'd probably be fine in both groups, except I suspect that the predominantly White group with the black masks would smell worse. Also because of the piss and excrement and acid bottles they carry around for 'self-defense'.
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Re: the second american civil war began today....

Postby surreptitious57 » Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:16 pm

Wendy wrote:
If he actually got less votes than Hillary why wont the states who were asked for public voting records
not co operate and release the requested information to Trumps commission investigating voter fraud

My point was that your statement about the silent majority being Trump supporters is not entirely accurate
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Re: the second american civil war began today....

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:29 pm

There may be a baker's dozen or so of others who are independents, not Trump supporters. You do not have a point that is not under severe contention and the Democrat socialists are as corrupt as all get out so their conspiring to change reality into a lie (like with the polls the media likes to throw around constantly about how little Trumps support is) is nothing new to those who pay attention.
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Re: the second american civil war began today....

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:41 pm

Is_Yde_opN wrote:Image
Light and Darkness...

Nice contrast photo. Those ANTIFA bottles had cement, paint, and pepper spray in them too. Anyone who covers their face as the ANTIFA do does so to perpetrate criminal activities without being identified.
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Re: the second american civil war began today....

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:23 pm

WendyDarling wrote:
Is_Yde_opN wrote:Image
Light and Darkness...

Nice contrast photo. Those ANTIFA bottles had cement, paint, and pepper spray in them too. Anyone who covers their face as the ANTIFA do does so to perpetrate criminal activities without being identified.



K: I would like to know HOW we know that the group on the left is actually
members of antifia? for all I know, this still is from a movie shot of a group... whereas
we all saw the group on the right on the news this weekend... so please show
us what evidence that the group on the left is actually card carrying antifa members....

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Re: the second american civil war began today....

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:29 pm

WendyDarling wrote:If he actually got less votes than Hillary, why won't the states who were asked for public voting records not cooperate and release the requested information to Trumps commission investigating voter fraud? The Democrats cheated by adding non-legitimate voters/votes to their reported election results.


K: because no one actually believes that 45 commission is about
voter fraud... voter suppression, yes, voter fraud, no.....
the right works very hard at voter suppression, especially
minorities and the young and basically anyone who might vote
democratic... because the right is about getting power and keeping
power and by voter suppression, they can do that.......

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Re: the second american civil war began today....

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:36 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:
Is_Yde_opN wrote:Image
Light and Darkness...

Nice contrast photo. Those ANTIFA bottles had cement, paint, and pepper spray in them too. Anyone who covers their face as the ANTIFA do does so to perpetrate criminal activities without being identified.



K: I would like to know HOW we know that the group on the left is actually
members of antifia? for all I know, this still is from a movie shot of a group... whereas
we all saw the group on the right on the news this weekend... so please show
us what evidence that the group on the left is actually card carrying antifa members....

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Re: the second american civil war began today....

Postby AutSider » Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:39 pm

Xunzian wrote:Let's not get grandiose.

This is just another battle in a war that's been going on for a long time.

I have enough Leninist sympathies that I'm accepting of accelerationist ideas. I'm also a bit old and out of shape to go out again and start bashing the fash.

The Onion does it best: http://www.clickhole.com/blogpost/my-re ... viole-6489

Let's let this zit pop. But let's not pretend it's going to be some civil war.


Bashing the fash lol

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Re: the second american civil war began today....

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:40 pm

K: I would like to know HOW we know that the group on the left is actually
members of antifia? for all I know, this still is from a movie shot of a group... whereas
we all saw the group on the right on the news this weekend... so please show
us what evidence that the group on the left is actually card carrying antifa members....

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K: I don't see any evidence that this is Antifa on the left... if you have evidence
that this picture on the left is actually Antifa, please share it with us... I
am curious as to your proof.......

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Re: the second american civil war began today....

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:02 pm

Head to toe black clothing and head covering with the face partially or fully masked is ANTIFA. God, don't you pay attention to anything?
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

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Re: the second american civil war began today....

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:09 pm

WendyDarling wrote:Head to toe black clothing and head covering with the face partially or fully masked is ANTIFA. God, don't you pay attention to anything?


K: so anyone wearing head to toe black clothing is antifa....
better not tell my boss, he is antifa ...... please, show me
SOME evidence that this is in fact, Antifa...... how do I KNOW,
that this is antifa? the police around here fit the exact same description
of Antifa that you described..... how do I know who is Antifa...
what is their secret password? come on, you must have some proof
of some kind that the people in the picture in the left is Antifa....
what is your evidence or what is your proof.....

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