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Postby WendyDarling » Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:21 pm

Under Article I, Section 5, clause 2, of the Constitution, a Member of Congress may be removed
from office before the normal expiration of his or her constitutional term by an “expulsion” from
the Senate (if a Senator) or from the House of Representatives (if a Representative) upon a formal
vote on a resolution agreed to by two-thirds of the Members of that body present and voting.
While there are no specific grounds for an expulsion expressed in the Constitution, expulsion
actions in both the House and the Senate have generally concerned cases of perceived disloyalty
to the United States, or the conviction of a criminal statutory offense which involved abuse of
one’s official position.


Who can levy these charges? If a petition was started based on charges against congressional members and it was overwhelmingly signed by a majority of the US citizens, could this expulsion of said congress make it into a higher court to set a precedent so others could perform the expulsion article other than congress? Of course, we know that Congress would not bring these expulsion efforts up while in session, so what is the recourse for American citizens who can prove that Congress is acting disloyal to the United States by colluding against the current, elected President?
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Re: Expulsion

Postby surreptitious57 » Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:24 pm

The first thing to do Wendy is go through the historical archive to find any precedent for this. That will give you an idea of how effective
expulsion is as a political means of removing power from corrupt individuals should you actually wish to pursue it to its logical conclusion
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Re: Expulsion

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:59 pm

Carleas, ever heard of any congressional expulsions made by US citizens en masse?
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Re: Expulsion

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:13 pm

No one has been expelled from Congress since 1862 and those were mostly due to supporting confederate rebellion.

There is no precedent for outside parties (outside the congress) to accuse certain Senators and House of Representatives members of criminal activities and demand an expulsion vote for the accused. I believe it should be the citizens who expel these traitors from office.
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Re: Expulsion

Postby surreptitious57 » Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:02 pm

Wendy wrote:
No one has been expelled from Congress since 1862 and those were mostly due to supporting confederate rebellion

This would suggest that pursuing your aim of expulsion however justifiable it may be is invariably doomed to failure
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Re: Expulsion

Postby WendyDarling » Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:18 pm

Where's Carleas? As an attorney, I'd like him to weigh in on this topic.
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Re: Expulsion

Postby Meno_ » Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:37 pm

I am a would have been lawyer, Wendy, and I can only guess why the above scenario plays out as it does. Because of an assumed strong buddy buddy affiliation within a party, representatives are loathe to instigate removal of their own. The legal system is set up as to make such attempts prohibitive , because representatives are like a chain, if one falls, it is easier to suspect and remove another. Representatives see themselves as above those whom they represent, therefore, they cast large shadows within their constituency.

At least, that is my take on it.
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Re: Expulsion

Postby WendyDarling » Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:04 pm

Meno_ wrote:I am a would have been lawyer, Wendy, and I can only guess why the above scenario plays out as it does. Because of an assumed strong buddy buddy affiliation within a party, representatives are loathe to instigate removal of their own. The legal system is set up as to make such attempts prohibitive , because representatives are like a chain, if one falls, it is easier to suspect and remove another. Representatives see themselves as above those whom they represent, therefore, they cast large shadows within their constituency.

At least, that is my take on it.

Of course they are going to protect their own, their brethren conspirators, however it's high time that the US citizens take back their government from outright corruptive forces, namely disloyal congress members. If they act in domino fashion, they'll fall that way too.

Why should congress be above repercussions for treason? Congress is colluding to undermine our current elected President, that's treason, attempting to overthrow the Executive Branch of the US government.
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Re: Expulsion

Postby Meno_ » Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:05 am

Wendy,

You are right and wrong at the same time!


The minor premise is the written ness of Capitakism , and the major premise is to have as many friends as possible to avoid a horrible end, specifically short term, to fight NKorea-Iran-ISIS
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Re: Expulsion

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:12 am

Meno_ wrote:Wendy,

You are right and wrong at the same time!


The minor premise is the written ness of Capitakism , and the major premise is to have as many friends as possible to avoid a horrible end, specifically short term, to fight NKorea-Iran-ISIS

I don't understand anything you have written. How am I right? How am I wrong? I really want a review of our congress and to have those who undermine Trump's agenda, America's agenda and health, put up on the chopping block.
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Re: Expulsion

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:39 am

It's most definitely a congressional coup. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=193163
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Re: Expulsion

Postby Meno_ » Sun Aug 06, 2017 1:52 am

WendyDarling wrote:
Meno_ wrote:Wendy,

You are right and wrong at the same time!


Anyone holding any bias is both right and wrong irrespective of which side of the isle they are on. Independents seem to fare best, because they appear to gear toward non committence.
Both the Democratic party and the Republican party seem to accept corruption to a degree unimaginable just a few years ago, at least to naked disclosure.

Even if the minor premises of.affiliation, namely pointing to the discord between socially oriented and capitalistic oriented trends, the major premise of impending and dangerous conflicts are of a priority.

That said, the given Mafioso Trump-Russia dealings, it would be wise to biru the hatched for.the sake of not compromising the long sought after detente and eventual lessening of cold war tensions based on ideological differences.

The worst part of capitalism resides in its inhumane corruption aligned with the greed of inwndong accumulation.
However, socialist dogma went bankrupt and the world is left with only the other viable major economic program -Capitalism

The choice is clearly determined and Trumpism, as a possible independent venue seems somewhat hopeful. This is why undermining Russia is the corollary of.the Congressional coup,
And the other economic doings which are being investigated are just brazen capitalism, as usual.

It has no derivation of judgement to your views, only a comment on where things are heading in a dangerous course.

The minor premise is the written ness of Capitakism , and the major premise is to have as many friends as possible to avoid a horrible end, specifically short term, to fight NKorea-Iran-ISIS

I don't understand anything you have written. How am I right? How am I wrong? I really want a review of our congress and to have those who undermine Trump's agenda, America's agenda and health, put up on the chopping block.
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Re: Expulsion

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Aug 06, 2017 1:56 am

Congress wants war, war is good business.
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Re: Expulsion

Postby Meno_ » Sun Aug 06, 2017 1:56 am

Sorry for the mistakes but I am writing on a lesser quality Samsung phone, and will try to correct these.
Your comments pertain to my initial writing.
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Re: Expulsion

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:00 am

You need to get a decent voice record to written form app. to forego your atrocious typing mishaps. :evilfun: :wink:
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Re: Expulsion

Postby Meno_ » Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:23 am

I got you , later .
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Re: Expulsion

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:31 am

:romance-caress: Later alligator.
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Re: Expulsion

Postby Otto_West » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:39 am

There are no more peaceful methods against the status quo, hopefully people in mass will start realizing this someday.
Your entire world of fantasy and make believe is doomed, have a nice day.
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Re: Expulsion

Postby James S Saint » Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:35 am

"People in mass" don't realize anything until the mass-programming dictates it to be so.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

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Re: Expulsion

Postby Otto_West » Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:28 am

James S Saint wrote:"People in mass" don't realize anything until the mass-programming dictates it to be so.


..Or until they're figure out the jack boot that is stomping them on their collective throats....
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Re: Expulsion

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:10 pm

Why can't other's attempt to defer their programming with a different war of words and images, barrage them with something contrary? A non-violent revolution by mimicking the enemies tactics with a better, healthier message? I realize that the illusion most are in runs ever so deep, but why not divert that depth they are drowning in to a wading pool where they can get a stable footing, rise, and begin to survey their landscape, the real landscape, with some breathing room?
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Expulsion

Postby James S Saint » Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:30 am

WendyDarling wrote:Why can't other's attempt to defer their programming with a different war of words and images, barrage them with something contrary? A non-violent revolution by mimicking the enemies tactics with a better, healthier message? I realize that the illusion most are in runs ever so deep, but why not divert that depth they are drowning in to a wading pool where they can get a stable footing, rise, and begin to survey their landscape, the real landscape, with some breathing room?

How much effective communication do you have with them?
That's "why".
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Expulsion

Postby WendyDarling » Mon Aug 07, 2017 12:35 am

James S Saint wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:Why can't other's attempt to defer their programming with a different war of words and images, barrage them with something contrary? A non-violent revolution by mimicking the enemies tactics with a better, healthier message? I realize that the illusion most are in runs ever so deep, but why not divert that depth they are drowning in to a wading pool where they can get a stable footing, rise, and begin to survey their landscape, the real landscape, with some breathing room?

How much effective communication do you have with them?
That's "why".

If you are referring to them as the lost, then I have had exchanges and they are able to process my views in bite-sized portions, but once we go our own ways, they sink back into the insanity and lies again, are once again, overcome. I suggest we stem the tide from reaching their shores and dragging them in the corrupt riptide again.

Are you suggesting giving up on 75% of the adult population, writing them off as a lost, unreachable cause? :eusa-naughty:
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Expulsion

Postby WendyDarling » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:33 pm

JSS?
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Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Expulsion

Postby James S Saint » Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:49 am

WendyDarling wrote:
James S Saint wrote:How much effective communication do you have with them?
That's "why".

If you are referring to them as the lost, then I have had exchanges and they are able to process my views in bite-sized portions, but once we go our own ways, they sink back into the insanity and lies again, are once again, overcome. I suggest we stem the tide from reaching their shores and dragging them in the corrupt riptide again.

Are you suggesting giving up on 75% of the adult population, writing them off as a lost, unreachable cause? :eusa-naughty:

What I would suggest is to learn how to have a durable impact upon their perception of hopes and threats, preferably in a positive direction. Communication is influence. When there is no communication, there is no influence. But communication is a competition. Everyone competes to have the most influence in the direction that they individually favor. A durable communication will alter the ability of future interference. I would suggest to cast a spell of hope toward diverting their communication toward more hopeful endeavors, one of which would be to maintain that diversion.

People do what they do because they are being dominated by too much chaos and extortion. Their Perception of Hopes and Threats are being scrambled and manipulated. If you want to help, you have to work against such obfuscation and coercion. How do you do that, you ask ...

Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony ... especially in your communicating. Such is the essence and key of positive influence.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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