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Postby AutSider » Mon May 08, 2017 5:28 pm

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Anybody care to explain this?

My explanation is the one I already gave in another thread, that whites are the biggest threat, and for this reason any movement that would make a white society functional and strong is heavily attacked by those who would benefit from weak, cucked white nations (enemies of whites), or rather, (((enemies of whites))). Hence all the anti-white propaganda and indoctrination.
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Re: Group pride

Postby AutSider » Mon May 08, 2017 5:34 pm

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Re: Group pride

Postby MagsJ » Mon May 08, 2017 5:54 pm

I do not need to join any ethnic pride group to be proud of my ethnic background, but I think such platforms should be there for those who do, but using derogatory racial terminologies does not help in implementing that across the board.

I follow Afropunk etc. but the minute they start deriding the other, I get turned off from that message. Not everyone has the stomach for such strong messages and ideals..
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Re: Group pride

Postby iambiguous » Mon May 08, 2017 7:23 pm

It's really not all that difficult to understand.

Historically, those born of a particular race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity etc., have often presumed that their own race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity etc., reflected the superior....genes? So they set about making sure that those who are not "one of us" were thought of as, say, genetically defective. Or at the very least of lesser worth.

In some particular historical contexts however these "inferior" folks created political movements to change all of that. And one method often used is to insist that one ought to take pride in a trait that the ruling class/caste had long since deemed a mark of inferiority.

So certain blacks, women, homosexuals, ethnic communities etc., insisted that being what they are was not something to be ashamed of at all. That they could be just as prideful as well.

So, for example, "black pride" revolved more around not feeling inferior to white folks, then in feeling superior to them. It's all about historical context. And perspective.

And it's mostly been about power. About those white men who were able [historically] to translate their economic power into a political superstructure that sustained this power. And, in part, by pitting all of the "inferior" folks against each other so as to prevent them from coming together politically to change things.

And it still works like a charm. Indeed, just ask all those Don Trump supporters among the proletariat.
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Re: Group pride

Postby Along The Way » Mon May 08, 2017 8:14 pm

We live in a victim culture where anything that is perceived as successful is also perceived as an oppressor. The more something is considered weak and feeble, the more it is encouraged to have pride. The more something is perceived as strong and successful, the less it is allowed to have pride. If this seems completely ass backwards, it's because it is.
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Re: Group pride

Postby captaincrunk » Mon May 08, 2017 8:51 pm

Having pride in oppressing others is generally frowned upon.
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Re: Group pride

Postby AutSider » Tue May 09, 2017 3:47 am

So this is all just about reducing the superior to inferiority and the inferior to superiority ad infinitum?


If one century group X dominates group Y then this needs to be rectified and we need to support Y power movements but ban X power movements, then when power changes hands and Y become more powerful and X are the oppressed then we need to ban Y power movements and support X power movements, and so on for eternity?

So in essence you just hate whoever is powerful and superior and able to dominate/conquer/enslave another group, right?

You always identify and side with the losers, no matter what?
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Re: Group pride

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue May 09, 2017 4:56 am

Could be that the gays, the black people, and the other non white ones haven't been as nasty in thier politics in recent history. Like owning slaves, burning crosses, etc.
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Re: Group pride

Postby captaincrunk » Tue May 09, 2017 5:36 am

AutSider wrote:So this is all just about reducing the superior to inferiority and the inferior to superiority ad infinitum?

A better thinker than you once suggested that it's better to rise with your class than to rise above it. Given your obsession with an efficient society, its strange that you would advocate for such a divisive, weak hierarchy.
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Re: Group pride

Postby Otto_West » Tue May 09, 2017 7:11 am

You forgot transgendered pride.
Your entire world of fantasy and make believe is doomed, have a nice day.
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Re: Group pride

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue May 09, 2017 7:27 am

Yeah. He's one of those, "exclude others" types.
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Re: Group pride

Postby surreptitious57 » Tue May 09, 2017 8:10 am

It is the same as the difference between patriotism and nationalism. One seeks to celebrate itself without denigrating others as a consequence while
the other does not. I would not however ban white priders from expressing themselves since their right to free speech is the same as every one elses
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Re: Group pride

Postby AutSider » Tue May 09, 2017 1:07 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:Could be that the gays, the black people, and the other non white ones haven't been as nasty in thier politics in recent history. Like owning slaves, burning crosses, etc.


This is what I'm saying. You're basically blaming white people for being dominant and superior.

What I wonder is if you hate it only when white people are dominant and superior, or do you hate all groups which managed to dominate some other group. Somehow I suspect the former.

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A better thinker than you once suggested that it's better to rise with your class than to rise above it. Given your obsession with an efficient society, its strange that you would advocate for such a divisive, weak hierarchy.


What in particular is "weak" about what I'm proposing, and what is it that you think I'm proposing?
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Re: Group pride

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue May 09, 2017 4:52 pm

So owning slaves and burning crosses makes a group superior? I just thought that meant they had leverage. Ever heard of luck?
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Re: Group pride

Postby Is_Yde_opN » Tue May 09, 2017 4:56 pm

Yeah. He's one of those, "exclude others" types.


What do we care that Blacks exclude Whites or whoever. Nobody cares. Because we don't want to be part of them.
But those who overestimate their own worth don't like it when their perceived betters would exclude them.

That makes them resentful.
Fascism has a lot of jealous enemies with too much narcissism.
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Re: Group pride

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue May 09, 2017 5:02 pm

Um....yeah.
You see...a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.
Dating a stripper is like eating a noisy bag of chips in church. Everyone looks at you in disgust, but deep down they want some too.

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Re: Group pride

Postby Is_Yde_opN » Tue May 09, 2017 5:11 pm

There is a lot of hatred in the simple-minded liberal doofus.
But you also have to offer him a target for all that resentment.
And at this stage, he is being taught to hate those other, evil, Whites.

Did the average liberal doofus hate Whites with such intensity 20 years ago?
30 years ago? Of course not. They got worked through the wringer of education and the media complex.
They could have also programmed them to hate on some other races or ideologies.
Plenty of subject matter to highlight among all of them. You just have to know what makes them go emotionally ape-shit.
Tragic.
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Re: Group pride

Postby Is_Yde_opN » Tue May 09, 2017 5:11 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:Um....yeah.


No, your mom.
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Re: Group pride

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue May 09, 2017 5:16 pm

No. Your ugly whore mom.
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Re: Group pride

Postby surreptitious57 » Tue May 09, 2017 5:17 pm

AutSider wrote:
What I wonder is if you hate it only when white people are dominant and superior or do you hate all groups which managed to dominate

As an egalitarian I am against all dominance wherever it emanates from as the principle is the same regardless of origin or circumstances
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Re: Group pride

Postby Is_Yde_opN » Tue May 09, 2017 6:11 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
AutSider wrote:
What I wonder is if you hate it only when white people are dominant and superior or do you hate all groups which managed to dominate

As an egalitarian I am against all dominance wherever it emanates from as the principle is the same regardless of origin or circumstances


...commentable
That's nice, and you would make a good ally, if only you could focus delivering your signalling de virtue of equality whenever non-Whites demand some special consideration or acknowledgement of their moral superiority.
But I get it, you don't care about being part of the Black group or any other group, so your focus of concern is on signalling to Whites.
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Re: Group pride

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue May 09, 2017 6:19 pm

commendable*
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Re: Group pride

Postby MagsJ » Tue May 09, 2017 7:21 pm

Banning pride groups promoting hate and violence is understandable, so if any group is/or is associated with any groups promoting hate and violence then their denial of any social media platform to preach that hate from is warranted.

Again.. you can't blame the migrants for what the Governments have allowed, but asking for secure borders across Europe is warranted due to recent terrorist happenings.. minus any racial slurs and threats. Those that misplace their anger lack a certain amount of intelligence.

I thought we.. as a planet.. had gotten over the whole 'trying to take over the world' thing and moved on to more high brow achievements? the ruling classes keeping society infighting whilst they continue to accrue trillions a year is still working on the gullible I see. :shock:
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Re: Group pride

Postby Is_Yde_opN » Tue May 09, 2017 7:28 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:commendable*


I mean commentable.
And yes it sounds very similar to commendable.
That was intended as well.
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Re: Group pride

Postby Is_Yde_opN » Tue May 09, 2017 7:35 pm

All those identity groups I don't like I call hate groups, although they don't do anything else than the other identity groups.
Muh hateful supremacy group.

So you prefer your group over other groups, hence why you identify with said group, huh.
Lucky for you, you aren't a White identity group because then it would be 'hateful supremacy'.


It's actually even more sinister.
So you are White and so you identify as White.
Sorry but that's hateful supremacy.

Why can't you be a good Whitey and embrace your demise?
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