Group pride

I guess my point was that the idea of “basic human needs” can be redefined and also socially constructed. Our society accepts certain “basic” standards without which you can’t successfully function in society. Just try to enroll your kid into a school without having X number of vaccinations. You can’t. Our standard nutrition (and medicine) also has “basic” requirements that were set by science and professionals. Our water has to be fluoridated, our blood cholesterol/blood pressure has to be within such and such parameters, our foods have to be fortified with a-b-c vitamins/minerals, etc. The understanding of “basic human needs” is really varied across the globe. Is having a plumbing system or hot water a basic human need? Some will say it is.

Needs are biologically determined. Noone cares what others say what your needs should be. Salesmen come up with all sorts of arguments all the time to convince you that you need their product but we know how many times that’s true: basically zero times.

Sure, you can convince yourself you have certain needs that you don’t really have but this has consequences such as repression.

Needs aren’t fixed, I agree with that, they can and do change through time. No doubt they change in response to external pressure but that does not mean that every change in response to external pressure is good.

…and I reiterate… it is not the group but the message that is the problem.

Change the tone of the message and the view of the group will be seen in a different light… it happened here, but their intent remained the same.

So name one specifically pro-white group that is ok to you. It seems that you are ignoring the fact that by virtue of being “pro-white” is it unacceptable to you. How do you even know what the messages are? Sounds like you’re just another sheep.

The banking cartels. I’m cool with them being pro white.

Banking cartels are pro-white? Give me a break, you aren’t serious are you? You know come to think of it, I’ve never seen a single post from you that makes it seem like you are “reasonable” in any sense of the word.

The people who benefit from banks are more white than not.

Thank you for admitting you don’t know what you are talking about.

Could you learn to be a good person?

Can a honky learn to dance?

Your pathetic metaphors don’t fool anyone. Penis envy drives your culture.

How old are you? What is your level of education?

Britain First.

You seem to have entirely missed the point I am making.

No group is unacceptable to my sensibilities, but the tone of their messages are… regardless of which group it is.

The messages are out there to read for those that seek them.

Who am I following to be a sheep?

Not a pro-white group. Pro-loyalist. They still play the leftist word game with “racism”, as if a Britain First group that didn’t accept multiculturalism is racist. They are pro-christian. Their 'traditional British values" equates to “christianity” to them. Again, not pro-white.

I didn’t miss your point. My point that you missed, is that this thread was started with black pride, lgbt pride, latino pride but not white pride. Your response was immediately about the “message” meaning you are conflating “white pride” automatically with a “bad message”, you didn’t make any distinction. My sheep comment was about being a sheep to the establishment and their language manipulation and how they portray different groups. Secondly your example of an acceptable “pro-white” group lacks any hint of actually looking out for white interests. Only loyalist and christian ones, guised as “British values”. If we were to take another actual pro-X group and change it to pro-white, the very same “values”, demands, the very same rants would be considered racist, x, y, and z “'ist” etc. etc. and my assumption is that based on this you would automatically call it a " bad tone to the message".

Though, perhaps an inflammatory term like “sheep” was a little dramatic. Apologies MagsJ.

And your point is exactly what? That you got your feelings hurt?

Truth of the matter is that the white race died when it socially and collectively decided materialism, money, social status, and the lust for power was more important than group cohesion or even reproduction. Unfortunately the disease of short term scheming and insatiable greed has won out over any cohesive European collective identity. European identity was sacrificed at the alter of materialism and insatiable greed. Ethnic nationalists are correct that there is ongoing tragedy playing out in the west and ensuing double standards however concerning a solution or actual applicable remedy to those ailments ethnic nationalists fall short of presenting anything counter to any of this.

All that is left is a steady slow march into extinction and annihilation surrounded by a majority of self loathing. Eventually the third world and Asia will own the world where Europeans will become a distant historical afterthought in memory . That is unfortunately the future and I see nothing that is going to change that.

If I was to give a description of this disease killing off European identity I would describe it as short term myopic thinking guided by avarice.

Ok then, EDL.

I didn’t conflate white pride with anything… I was simply addressing Autsider’s concerns on why pro white groups are banned… as opposed to the other groups.

Accepted, Mimisbrunnr :wink:

Luckily I found this helpful guide to identify how to correctly handle the issue of group pride.

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I still don’t understand how the Muslims are getting away with their ‘crying wolf/terrorism’ act? The last week here has been all about that, and Labour condoning their actions while saying they don’t… in the same breath. Seems like they’ve been giving birth to their own personal army over the last couple of decades, to take over London and infiltrate our government offices and services.

I really have no idea what the Jewish agenda is, and the black agenda is usually about hating everyone else… and often even their own.

Well, we are all familiar with the hateful redneck.
By the way, apparently that term comes from what happens when you are White and you work a lot in the sun, wearing a hat and a shirt, leaving your neck exposed.
Or at least we are familiar with the people who promoted and promote that stereotype.
Either way, doesn’t really matter who is the hateful, the point is that hate is not that uncommon in people.

To come to your question, there are several factors here, like people who genuinely believe that those Muslim will be a net benefit economically and save their pensions and 401k and so forth. Some older ladies might even like the idea of having a fling with one those cute refugee boy-toys. Which is unfortunately not as far fetched as I’d have liked to believe. Corporate interests…

But all of this wouldn’t explain the zealousness with which they love to import those foreign people.
And when I read some of the sneering comments and articles in favour of Muslim immigration then one can’t help but notice quite a lot of hate in many people towards Europeans.
But I also think that it’s not limited against Europeans, they are just the most ripe and opportune target in the current social climate.

That hate is not limited to some people low on the food chain, no, it’s also very common among the elites of the West.
Wouldn’t be the first empire to destroy itself from within.

And for those people, Muslims are a tool for their agendas and their loathing.

This god damned EU made European group pride impossible.
What the hell are we supposed to identify with under that name?

I come from a coastal province called Noord-Holland. The upper half of which I identify with, naturally, as being able to shake anyones hand and feel an understanding of fate and necessity. This only applies outside of Amsterdam and other 100.000 + towns.

100 km to the south I recognize almost nothing. People are a complete opaque and unattractive anthill. Zuid Holland is as alien to me as Mongolia. Maybe more so. Rotterdam waar ligt dat dan?