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Re: Nobody is anti-violence

Postby Pandora » Mon May 08, 2017 9:22 am

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Humans ARE animals. More importantly for this thread, we are living organisms, and thus inherently violent. We can't defy natural laws.

Do you think being rational/self-created means not being an animal or defying natural laws? Because since we are unavoidably animals and can't defy natural laws, it would just mean that being rational/self-created is impossible.
That really begs the question, doesn't it? You live (like an animal that you see yourself to be) in order to survive - survive for what? Survive to survive?
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Re: Nobody is anti-violence

Postby Pandora » Mon May 08, 2017 9:32 am

Void_X_Zero wrote:"I have always laughed at the weaklings who thought they were good because they had no claws." --N
I'm really tempted to come to a conclusion that I would rather live a short life and die as a human being than live a long life as an animal. Maybe, just maybe, this is what it means to be a human. Everything else in nature is just a continuation of the same story. And maybe those heroic and 'noble' figures can have an inscription on their tombstones saying "I've lived like nature had intended me to live, just like another animal. Because this is what I was born to be. And this is all that I was, and I was good at it."
And existence will go on.
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Re: Nobody is anti-violence

Postby AutSider » Mon May 08, 2017 4:58 pm

Pandora wrote:
AutSider wrote:
Humans ARE animals. More importantly for this thread, we are living organisms, and thus inherently violent. We can't defy natural laws.

Do you think being rational/self-created means not being an animal or defying natural laws? Because since we are unavoidably animals and can't defy natural laws, it would just mean that being rational/self-created is impossible.
That really begs the question, doesn't it? You live (like an animal that you see yourself to be) in order to survive - survive for what? Survive to survive?


Once again, whether you like it or not, all humans (which includes you) are animals. It's just biology. Can't escape reality. The other question has nothing to do with the thread at all.
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Re: Nobody is anti-violence

Postby surreptitious57 » Tue May 09, 2017 4:50 pm

Pandora wrote:
I would rather live a short life and die as a human being than live a long life as an animal

You would also die as an animal if you lived a life as a human being as that is what we are
You might not think of yourself as an animal but this is incidental to the fact of being one
Am surprised you are having difficulty in understanding this Pandora as this is elementary
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Re: Nobody is anti-violence

Postby Pandora » Tue May 09, 2017 6:55 pm

Autsider believes that self survival paramount at all costs. Would you do anything to survive?
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Re: Nobody is anti-violence

Postby AutSider » Tue May 09, 2017 11:53 pm

If you want to discuss that, make a topic and if I'm interested I'll come. As for this thread, please stay on topic.
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Re: Nobody is anti-violence

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat May 27, 2017 6:47 pm

Void_X_Zero wrote:"I have always laughed at the weaklings who thought they were good because they had no claws." --N


Claws are wonderful things to have.
Discerning when and when not to use those claws can be very effective when it comes to what benefits mankind. lol
Claws can also be quite the fun thing to have - except from the owners' point of view - of the domesticated cat.
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Re: Nobody is anti-violence

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sat May 27, 2017 10:21 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:You would also die as an animal if you lived a life as a human being as that is what we are
You might not think of yourself as an animal but this is incidental to the fact of being one
Am surprised you are having difficulty in understanding this Pandora as this is elementary


Humans have many traits animals don't. There is a significant difference between the two. You can redefine the concept of animal to be all-inclusive, sure, but that doesn't make the difference go away. It merely shifts it. Instead of talking about "humans vs animals" we now talk about "one type of animal vs another type of animal".

I sympathize with the anti-animal and anti-darwinism stance. However, I don't think that entails being anti-violence.
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Re: Nobody is anti-violence

Postby WendyDarling » Sun May 28, 2017 5:51 am

What are the categorical distinctions in types of violence? Offensive...to destroy. Defensive...to protect. Non-directional, reactionary violence.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

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Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Nobody is anti-violence

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sun May 28, 2017 9:29 am

Autsider, why do you keep posting the same thread? And why do you run away from anyone who refuses to confirm your biases?
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Re: Nobody is anti-violence

Postby Is_Yde_opN » Sun May 28, 2017 9:52 am

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Re: Nobody is anti-violence

Postby AutSider » Mon May 29, 2017 4:39 am

WendyDarling wrote:What are the categorical distinctions in types of violence? Offensive...to destroy. Defensive...to protect. Non-directional, reactionary violence.


That's silly.

I'll give an example with animals, since remember, this applies not only to humans, but to all living organisms. Say a starved group of wolves and a starved bear find a deer cadaver. There is only enough meat on it for either the wolves, or the bear. If the former eat and survive, the latter dies, and if the latter eats and survives, the former die. What would you consider offensive, defensive, or non-directional behavior in this case by the bear and wolves?

Say the bear reaches the cadaver first and takes it for himself, attacking any wolf which tries to take it away from him... I assume you'd say he is being defensive, while the wolves are being offensive, no?

Well first of all, is there something "wrong" in being offensive as opposed to defensive? Are both parties not trying to survive, offense/defense merely being different methods of accomplishing this goal? Is there some magical reason why if the bear reaches the cadaver first the wolves have to give it to him?

In reality, there is no such thing as "defense" in the sense you're using it in the first place, since by occupying space and consuming energy other organisms could consume, one is already being offensive.
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Re: Nobody is anti-violence

Postby AutSider » Mon May 29, 2017 4:39 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:Autsider, why do you keep posting the same thread? And why do you run away from anyone who refuses to confirm your biases?


Still nothing, huh?
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Re: Nobody is anti-violence

Postby WendyDarling » Mon May 29, 2017 4:49 am

That's silly.


No, the examples, the minutiae, given to cover your stance was silly.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Nobody is anti-violence

Postby AutSider » Mon May 29, 2017 5:08 am

WendyDarling wrote:
That's silly.


No, the examples, the minutiae, given to cover your stance was silly.


So is this you being offensive, defensive, or reactionary?

I see you've adopted the... "arguing tactics" of Mr R. Good call.

Your categorization is lame and you'd only be making a fool of yourself if you continued to argue.
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Re: Nobody is anti-violence

Postby WendyDarling » Mon May 29, 2017 5:12 am

If you can categorize intents regarding violence better, have at it. I asked for help in that dept.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Nobody is anti-violence

Postby Mr Reasonable » Mon May 29, 2017 5:54 am

AutSider wrote:
Mr Reasonable wrote:Autsider, why do you keep posting the same thread? And why do you run away from anyone who refuses to confirm your biases?


Still nothing, huh?


I feel sorry for you right now.
You see...a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.
Dating a stripper is like eating a noisy bag of chips in church. Everyone looks at you in disgust, but deep down they want some too.

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Re: Nobody is anti-violence

Postby WendyDarling » Mon May 29, 2017 6:01 am

Sadness will only come when the fervor of his extreme ideals breaks him, ideals that rob another, his soulmate, of her potential, her joy in having lived. I feel more sorry for his mentor.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Nobody is anti-violence

Postby AutSider » Mon May 29, 2017 6:19 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:
AutSider wrote:
Mr Reasonable wrote:Autsider, why do you keep posting the same thread? And why do you run away from anyone who refuses to confirm your biases?


Still nothing, huh?


I feel sorry for you right now.


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Re: Nobody is anti-violence

Postby Mr Reasonable » Mon May 29, 2017 6:21 am

You're ignoring the arguments. Don't make me go and fetch all the links.
You see...a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.
Dating a stripper is like eating a noisy bag of chips in church. Everyone looks at you in disgust, but deep down they want some too.

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Re: Nobody is anti-violence

Postby AutSider » Mon May 29, 2017 6:23 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:You're ignoring the arguments. Don't make me go and fetch all the links.


not an argument
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Re: Nobody is anti-violence

Postby Mr Reasonable » Mon May 29, 2017 7:13 am

I think you're having some troubles here. You're doing deductions from definitions, but your definitions aren't conventional, and the stipulations that you're making to justify your unconventional definitions expose more about your politics than they do any reality.

Surely you understand this....right?
You see...a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.
Dating a stripper is like eating a noisy bag of chips in church. Everyone looks at you in disgust, but deep down they want some too.

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Re: Nobody is anti-violence

Postby AutSider » Mon May 29, 2017 1:47 pm

Nah you're just trying to reduce reality down to politics.
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Re: Nobody is anti-violence

Postby Otto_West » Tue May 30, 2017 5:38 am

Human competition violent or otherwise will eventually destroy humanity with this entire planet along with it. So no, I don't glamorize violence or competition whatsoever.
Your entire world of fantasy and make believe is doomed, have a nice day.
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Re: Nobody is anti-violence

Postby WendyDarling » Tue May 30, 2017 5:43 am

Amen. I agree.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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