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Who discovered North America ?

Postby above us only sky » Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:28 pm

We learned in the school history class that America is discovered by Christopher Columbus in 1492. But in recent years some people suggested there might be another story.

Here is one story I found very interesting:

North America was first discovered by Asian explorers. Here are some "evidence"

Evidence 1: A brass Medallion was found in early 1994 near Asheville, North Carolina with the following words "authorized and awarded by emperor Xuan De of Great Ming"

Emperor Xuan De was the ruler of Ming dynasty China from 1425 to 1435.

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Here is the detail: http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/my-best-finds/373268-diggers-diary-mysterious-ming-medallion.html

Evidence 2: The European maps at the time contains very limited detail of the geography of the inland and pacific coastal area of North America while some Chinese maps have much more details and seems more correct:

Here is the link of a 1602 Chinese map, it is a collection of the library of congress.
https://www.loc.gov/resource/g3200.ex000006Zb/

If a person compare it with some 1650 European maps like this one
https://www.loc.gov/resource/g3291s.mf000074/

One would realize that even 100 years after Christopher Columbus, the European map makers still consider California as a big island separated from the American mainland.

Evidence 3: In some American Indian culture, there may be something connected to explorers from Asia.
Here is the historical flag of the Cherokee people, this flag has the Big Dipper asterism.
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And the Big Dipper asterism can also be seen in ancient Chinese flags. A 1400s Chinese naval guidebook shows the use of asterism for navigation.
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Of course, there are different stories, some say America was first discovered by the Viking people long before Christopher Columbus.

Are they true?
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Re: Who discovered North America ?

Postby Arminius » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:41 am

The first who discovered America were the Vikings under Leif Eriksson who lived from 970 to 1020. They discovered it around the year 1000.

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Leif had one ship and a crew of 35, including himself. History records the group as containing 34 Vikings and 1 German. After leaving Greenland, they first happened upon an undiscovered island made of rock with ice mountains in the background. The second island they found contained flat white sand beaches and woodlands. Continuing westward, the third giant island they found may not have been an island at all. Many historians believe that Leif and his crew had just discovered the New England coast.

In 1473, an expedition under the command of the Germans Didrik Pining und Hans Pothorst with the Danish navigator Johannes Scolvus and the Portuguese João Vaz Corte-Real discovered America also before Christopher Columbus (1492).
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Re: Who discovered North America ?

Postby D3R7 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:43 am

Thnx for that Armininius. Knew the Vikings were first just light on the details. :icon-ugeek:
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Re: Who discovered North America ?

Postby Venture » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:15 am

Shortsighted and Eurocentric, where were you educated? The internet? The Aboriginal nomads were the first to discover North America around the time of the last ice age. Exact date and migratory waves is debated, but population movements and territorial discovery is consistent with the Archaeological data. I have included some supplementary reading I think you would benefit greatly from.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Native_Americans_in_the_United_States
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/1207/12072012-native-american-migration
http://time.com/3964634/native-american-origin-theory/
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Re: Who discovered North America ?

Postby Arminius » Wed May 24, 2017 9:09 pm

Origin and settlement does not mean discovery.

The aboriginal nomads have nothing to do with discovery, except the fact that they were discovered too when America was firstly discovered.
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Re: Who discovered North America ?

Postby MagsJ » Wed May 24, 2017 10:15 pm

Origin and settlement does not mean discovery.

The aboriginal nomads have nothing to do with discovery, except the fact that they were discovered too when America was firstly discovered.

:lol:

Arminius, I didn't know you did standup comedy.. your reviews would read 'brilliantly funny'. =D>
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Re: Who discovered North America ?

Postby captaincrunk » Thu May 25, 2017 2:15 pm

Everyone knows that Mormon Jesus came here with the Egyptians, creating the native Americans.
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Re: Who discovered North America ?

Postby Amorphos » Thu May 25, 2017 8:26 pm

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Re: Who discovered North America ?

Postby Arminius » Thu May 25, 2017 10:04 pm

MagsJ wrote:
Origin and settlement does not mean discovery.

The aboriginal nomads have nothing to do with discovery, except the fact that they were discovered too when America was firstly discovered.

:lol:

Arminius, I didn't know you did standup comedy.. your reviews would read 'brilliantly funny'. =D>

:wink:

Thanks, Mags. It was meant seriously too.
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Re: Who discovered North America ?

Postby MagsJ » Sat May 27, 2017 5:33 am

Arminius wrote:
MagsJ wrote:
Origin and settlement does not mean discovery.

The aboriginal nomads have nothing to do with discovery, except the fact that they were discovered too when America was firstly discovered.

:lol:

Arminius, I didn't know you did standup comedy.. your reviews would read 'brilliantly funny'. =D>

:wink:

Thanks, Mags. It was meant seriously too.

...like the Muslims are currently discovering Europe? I get you now Arminius, I get you. ;)
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Re: Who discovered North America ?

Postby Arminius » Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:00 pm

You get me .... wrong. :lol:
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Re: Who discovered North America ?

Postby Meno_ » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:42 pm

I thought discovery was the legal tool for finding facts, as far as original man is concerned, the oldest human remains: it was in Ethiopia, and it was called 'Handy Man' , translated from Aramaic, incidentally, the language of Jesus.


All other aborigines were transplants.

Ancient Aramaic has very old middle eastern-African roots.
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Re: Who discovered North America ?

Postby MagsJ » Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:41 pm

Arminius wrote:You get me .... wrong. :lol:

I was going by your premise Arminius, so I think I get you right? ;)

Feel free to make me think otherwise... I'm listening.
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Re: Who discovered North America ?

Postby Chamorro » Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:59 am

There's so many conflicting arguements on who discovered America. I believe it was probably the vikings.
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Re: Who discovered North America ?

Postby MagsJ » Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:16 am

Chamorro wrote:There's so many conflicting arguements on who discovered America. I believe it was probably the vikings.

Is that due to anthropological evidence?
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Re: Who discovered North America ?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:03 pm

Arminius wrote:The first who discovered America were the Vikings under Leif Eriksson who lived from 970 to 1020. They discovered it around the year 1000.

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Leif had one ship and a crew of 35, including himself. History records the group as containing 34 Vikings and 1 German. After leaving Greenland, they first happened upon an undiscovered island made of rock with ice mountains in the background. The second island they found contained flat white sand beaches and woodlands. Continuing westward, the third giant island they found may not have been an island at all. Many historians believe that Leif and his crew had just discovered the New England coast.

In 1473, an expedition under the command of the Germans Didrik Pining und Hans Pothorst with the Danish navigator Johannes Scolvus and the Portuguese João Vaz Corte-Real discovered America also before Christopher Columbus (1492).


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Re: Who discovered North America ?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:14 pm

Nice read.

http://www.history.com/news/the-viking- ... to-america

Two quotes by Leif Erikson
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We are all leaders - whether we want to be or not. There is always someone we are influencing ~ either leading them to good or away from good.


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That is so profound.
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Re: Who discovered North America ?

Postby MagsJ » Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:34 pm

So.. were these original discoverers of America displaced or die out?
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Re: Who discovered North America ?

Postby above us only sky » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:19 am

MagsJ wrote:So.. were these original discoverers of America displaced or die out?



They gradually disappears because
1.at that time maritime transportation over ocean is not easy, it is impossible to send a large group of colonists across acean easily and safely as the Spanish did later.

2. at time time, commerce is not that well developed, sending people across ocean to mine gold and silver and then sell those mined gold and silver back to the old world will not cover the costs and risks of maritime transportation, it does not make sense in bussiness.
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Re: Who discovered North America ?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:47 pm

native americans are asians
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Re: Who discovered North America ?

Postby MagsJ » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:31 pm

above us only sky wrote:
MagsJ wrote:So.. were these original discoverers of America displaced or die out?
They gradually disappears because
1.at that time maritime transportation over ocean is not easy, it is impossible to send a large group of colonists across acean easily and safely as the Spanish did later.

2. at time time, commerce is not that well developed, sending people across ocean to mine gold and silver and then sell those mined gold and silver back to the old world will not cover the costs and risks of maritime transportation, it does not make sense in bussiness.

...and now look at the place. :D

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:native americans are asians

The same ancestral line.. yes, but adapted.
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Re: Who discovered North America ?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:00 pm

My only question is, why did Native Americans not have fireworks and all the gizmos and gadgets of asia?
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Re: Who discovered North America ?

Postby MagsJ » Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:14 am

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:My only question is, why did Native Americans not have fireworks and all the gizmos and gadgets of asia?

They may have broke off from their Oriental ancestors prior to the fireworks gizmos and gadgets that the Orientals invented?
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Re: Who discovered North America ?

Postby Arminius » Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:48 am

MagsJ wrote:
Arminius wrote:You get me .... wrong. :lol:

I was going by your premise Arminius, so I think I get you right? ;)

Feel free to make me think otherwise... I'm listening.

When you came to England, did you discover England like the Vikings when they discovered North America? :)

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Re: Who discovered North America ?

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:03 pm

As Quebecers are proud to tell me, the Vikings were in Canada long before any weaker peoples set foot in the Americas.

Edit - I see Arc beat me to it.
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