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Is Donald Trump DANGEROUS?

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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby barbarianhorde » Fri Mar 24, 2017 12:08 am

jerkey wrote:Let's go back to 1984. The book. Reagan. Then let's go further back to WW2. Then WW1. These are all keys toward understanding the clear and present danger. And of course hate, dissent, and the obfuscation of all these elements, creating a picture, maybe a film, whose image changes, according to fed back information , real or imaginary.

What does this picture look like?

Is it overly magnified, way out of proportion, larger then life, bizarrely grotesque? Or, is it diminutive, shrunken by psychiatric jargon assailed from all sides as immaterial and insignificant, propped up by those who seem to need a link between the needs/wants of society qua the individual Joe Shmoe & those who are ok with confusion and chaos.

Can a narrative be written , incorporating all elements of the social fabric into a cohesive whole, where causes and effects naturally flow , or are they the jerkish spasms of a dying world as we know it?

I don't mean to narrate an extremely long and tedious indulgent social hypothesis, but only touch upon some highlights to support, yes , support the politician Trump, rather than the man.

Prior to WW1, the air was pregnant with doubt, as to the direction that the world would take in the brand new twentieth century, taking a breather from the horrors of social revolutions, the latest of which still cast the long shadow of the 1848 revolutions. From here to 1900 is a mere hop and a jump,50 years, beset by doubt as to the universal implications of the rabid onslaught of unbridled Capitalism, especially in the very young United States.

Europe, still stung by the newness of the successes of anti monarchal systems, where classic forms of authority and privilege sustained society for a thousand years, needed time to adjust. This adjustment called on the simulation of the new regimes springing up, and based on the simulation of the new money aristocracy.

This is really not new: With backward glance it could be asserted that the buying of titles were seeded around the time of the dependence of autocratic control on the new pockets of accumulated wealth.
Marx saw this trend, very early on, and his vision was fifty percent intuitive, and fifty percent based on the new tools of capital excercised on workers. communism grew out of this visionary probable scenario, and immediately grew to very large proportions. The mirror of credibility inflated its grasp to be able to offer competitive edge to the very substantial system of capital. They started to interact, and the image went through various changes, revising earlier appearent outcomes, based on the interaction. At first, the image was innocent and barely touched by antimony, but very soon, the age of revolution of the 19 th century, took up again the threads of unfinished business, and empires shook and sank as a result of years of conflict between major powers.

WW1 had resulted in tremendous losses, and the whole world shuddered and shook. What was it all about? The Hapsburg Empire lit up like a dry keg, lit by a Serb, a Baltic country in the belly of the beast. The underbelly, a particular interest of Mr. Hitler, who
Priotorized it as the area of extreme strategic and political importance. As WW2 grew out of the same unresolved issues as the ones WW1, one needs to ask the question what were the most basic underlying ones.

The birth of communism, as a Reaction against unbridled capitalism, the social political atmosphere sought a catharsis, from the possible implosion into a centerless void of immense power. It was a cyclone of immeasurable power, whose techno simulation became a reality with the invention of the ultimate power machine, the nuclear bomb.

What was missing to create such unearthly force , challenging life itself?

The void in the center, the Kantian synthesis, at the very bottom, a silent diabolical seed waiting not merely to grow exponentially, but transforming the various elements into a unified picture of a devouring monster, a creature so full of uncertainty, fear, desire, loathing, envy, and lust to power, -all concentrated into a simplification ad absurdism, that it did not take much to create the tinder box.

The synthesis was that totalizied seed , of the flower of evil, it started on a naive and innocent aesthetics, an aesthetics that conjoined with Kierkegaard's substitution for god, conjoined with the darkness of decay. The decay set in early, unnoticibly at first, and ultimately, the survivors were those, who could by the use of their will, attain the power to control and substitute that control for those who lost it. A new method of pedigree and entitlement immediately took root, and these new growths grew tremendously strong in a very short time, compared to the thousand year old roots of the ancient regime.

Time was of the essence, and manipulation became the tool by which such deep roots could be unearthed.

But now, competing social programs caused conflicts of universal significance, and the world was at war for most of the twentieth century. The center was bever really defined, but the synthesis was bracketed and held at bay , like a sacred lamp, holding on to its past blaming curative effect, more a spiritual idea, than an actual device.

This synthetic vision, took on various forms, and the latest was fascism, a so called pure idea, insulated from the stupidity, arrogance and lack in identity of the mob, while at the same time, retaining the original forms of its antithesis, not the unnatural substantive one, but the one which contained within its own form the form of its antecedent content.

This return was forecasted, and it became seen as the necessary tool to sustain a world without gods.

Now reel foreward, and we are in the middle of the Vietnam War, and Nixon tricks the machine, to sustain a worthless Indo-China War, for fear of loosing an essentially chaotic center to the maelstrom of huge Capitalistic-Communist conflict, with again, no resolution in sight, between them, and sensing the recurrence of the huge gap between combatants, perhaps sensing an immediate need of resolution. But he knew and feared again the new fascism, and he warned it publicly, among those his friend, Mr.Trump.

Now the Reagan years seem to put balm on the age old wound, and things quieted down for a while. But again, crisis appeared on the horizon, the most severe was the one they called the greatest threat to democracy since the Great Depression, :, the Great Recession.

The long held weaknesses of the system again manifested their Marxian sources, and the time became alarming.

Obama was put into office, to amaliate consensus on the possible causes of dissatisfaction being the racial divide.

They did not intend to elevate Trump , he being the most clever opportunist since McCarthy. He was perfect, a cure to demolish the last bastion of doubt, in the most basic sense of our man Descartes, that yes the system will work, because the center consisted of the uktimate symbol which literally belongs within the framework of his own reference.
There is no doubt about the meaning of the middle, because he is he new king, the autocrat, who has access to the tools of the technocrat of 1984, a predicted symbol, a recurrence to the time of magical powers, with which to manipulate the will of others.

Meanwhile, life has been given the last chance, live in the most absurdly reduced synthesis of all times, and really there is no escape, no exit from it, since there is no real going back to the sources of power, it has been bracketed at a point, where further descent would have meant madness, annihilation, or both.

Trump is the necessary evil genius of doubt, the Orvellian Faust , indispensable as he is unappreciated.

He may even come to see himself the victim drawn in, to actually save man from himself.

As strange as he is, he is the perfect, pitiful, but indispensable post humanist solution.

This realization can actually turn all opinion of him on a dime to the very opposite of appraisal, the original thesis reappears as if emerging from some hidden depth, and Trump will no longer be an individual seeking for himself a place in history, but one who has been elevated there by the sheers course of states of affair caused by opportunity, accessibility and a strange turn of events. Call it luck.

Mine and most everybody's problem is reconciliation, in spite of not recognizing the very quickly emerging center.

If not for that , perhaps, then would come the deluge.


No the CIA and the KPQRS are dangerous for WW. Trump is ridiculously undangerous for it.
If the KPQRS will impeach Trumpenstein then we will have hell to follow and hell is dangerous place.

But you forget, Trump was elected. By Americans.
Why suddenly "oh is he dangerous" - yes, hes the elected president of a country full of football players and wannabe football players. Come on.

China is to blame. Why? Theyre bad at football, cause theyre small.
But they have the dollar by the balls now, because they can reach up to your balls. But not up to your head. Trump has a big head. Deal with it, China. Elephant in your cabinet, ratata.

I dont know if he is dangerous but I hope he is dangerous for the evil scum that tries to make people work sick for the right to see a doctor fuck these cunts ah theyre not cunts cause cunts are lovely for grabbing it softly so it has the greatest effects, thats what Trump meant I think. But these skeletons in their closets, they need to be rattled and put in boxes with their bones all mixed up.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Meno_ » Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:18 am

Another simple explanation.
Perhaps. But then again.

He did say one of the things he will do is to hang up his letter from Nixon, ca. 1972, where tricky Dick assured The Donald, of his conviction that someday Trump will be prez.

It gets thicker, after a while. This is where undersestimation gets you into trouble.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby barbarianhorde » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:45 pm

I dont believe in the all seeing eye.
Trump is just some guy. All these guys know a lot of shit and seen a lot of shit.
Now they pull each others a finger and they say: blame me not or I blame you.
Kind of christian if you think about it.

Mostly I feel the war in the Arabic nations cant be fared without a loyal intelligence community. Maybe they bomb deliberately civilians to hang it on Trump who they hate for some reasons that media and democrats share but I dont because I think Trump has reliable pedigree from New York business which is tough to get on top of.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Meno_ » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:07 am

barbarianhorde wrote:I dont believe in the all seeing eye.
Trump is just some guy. All these guys know a lot of shit and seen a lot of shit.
Now they pull each others a finger and they say:
blame me not or I blame you.

Kind of christian if you think about it.

Mostly I feel the war in the Arabic nations cant be
fared without a loyal intelligence community. Maybe
they bomb deliberately civilians to hang it on Trump who they hate for some reasons that media and democrats share but I dont because I think Trump
has reliable pedigree from New York business which
is tough to get on top of.


CCTV is only the very tip of an intelligence behemoth, consisting all of what the latest tech can offer. If not here, not now, certainly it is within reach in the immediate future. By the time very serious commensurate doubt has a chance to surface, the control mechanisms will tighten the noose against any retro-conspiracy that may evolve out of the chaos.

Has this no precedent? Remember the various theories into the Kennedy assasination? Even to this day reality can not be separated from fiction, in spite of millions spent on the publication of the voluminous findings of the Warren commission.

And that was how many years ago-50. 50 years in tech development, translates into 500 + years of pre 1960's research and adaptation. Don't sell those whose living is invested in at least the parts which have always been classified as secret.

We are living in the break away time, when almost all becomes a possibility.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Meno_ » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:46 am

So far, the conclusion can be encapsulated as: yes, Trump is dangerous, because of the difference in a fit between the man, and the role he has been assigned as contrasted to the degree that that assignment was a personal choice of his. It's quite possible that the c
hoice was not totally his, or even that it was more of a forced role he had to adopt, due to the squeeze by his creditors, who few years ago made it clear that
they could have substantially destroyed him by
leaning on his Bankruptsy trustees.

The other more probable presence of danger is either
he would not have been elected, by the success of
the more probable Clinton victory.

Both, the Russia connection and his presidency may
be the outcome of simulations of best and worst case
scenarios.

It's been long heldknowledge that future most
probable scenarios have been simulated by the most sophisticated supercomputers in both the Rusdian and US arsenals. We are, as the saying goes in chess circles, in the end game.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby MagsJ » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:33 am

Kathrina wrote:Is Donald Trump really the leader of a new, hate-filled authoritarian movement?
Is it true that nothing is more harmful to the idea of the West and world peace than Donald Trump as the president of the United States?
Does Donald Trump really want a "ruthless America"?
Is Donald Trump a neo-fascist?
Is Donald Trump a narcist?
Who is he?

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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:47 am

Magsj, are you sure? You know he lost some housing discrimination cases back in the day because he wouldn't rent to black people?
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby barbarianhorde » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:51 pm

Black people bring down real estate value. He was a business man then not prez. He had to take care his childs had to eat.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Meno_ » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:10 pm

barbarianhorde wrote:Black people bring down real estate value. He was a business man then not prez. He had to take care his childs had to eat.



Well the report just came out on the matter of cost management, that the Largo trips cost more than meals on wheels. I wonder what portion of that program goes to African Americans?
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby barbarianhorde » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:52 pm

Meals on wheels reminds me of Harold Smith.
I dont like Meals on Wheels.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Meno_ » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:22 am

They don't remind me of anything, only that food is good to come by when your alone, bed bound and starving. I even heard of desperados eating leftover dog food.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Meno_ » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:39 am

But in all seriousness, Barbarian, I get your comment, as a sceptical hyperbolae, and the fit is perfect. However, like they say, it is the way you were brought up. Trump can't help it for the silver spooned myopia, in that sense one tends to shift emotional contexts, relatively speaking toward such similar scenarios as was remembered of a certain queen when told her subjects did not have food-to which she so callously replied. That brings to mind the relative juxtapositioning of taste as a formal appraisal, toward one where only the palate is involved. The political victims of such illogic, tend to victimize the self. And irony of ironies, it all does make perfect sense.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Meno_ » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:40 pm

It's imperative he passes the tax overhaul, because if he doesent, his presidency is doomed. Then, with his back to the wall, he may become dangerous. This is his well established pattern, from which he will not sway.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby barbarianhorde » Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:08 pm

Best he can do is chill. Bommocare was really a big obstacle and Paul Ryand tried as if was a sprint. Hey lets repeal, oh I have something in my pocked, why not!

Now, there is a great repeal bill.

Breit Bart said:

"On the same day that the House of Representatives canceled its vote on Ryancare, Alabama Rep. Mo Brooks filed a simple one-line bill to repeal Obama’s signature health care law.

The Huntsville Republican titled the bill ‘Obamacare Repeal Act.” It is short and to the point, AI.com reported.

“Effective as of Dec. 31, 2017, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is repealed, and the provisions of law amended or repealed by such Act are restored or revived as if such Act had not been enacted,” the bill reads."
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Meno_ » Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:30 pm

That information is useful only for lawyers who cede the neede to look beneath the patent language, and don't concern themselves with those who it may effect.


It reflects the swampish , politically diminutive reasoning of those who see little merit to tend to those whom they think are not of capacity to
understand what's good for them.


Of course, when they near the congressional elections, their veracity to doubt increases in direct
proportion, and they start to make allowances, rather
quickly if some unsettling numbers start coming in.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby barbarianhorde » Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:12 pm

No it is actually very simple, it just says go back to the situation before Obomcart. So people I think have not to pay premiums the cost of the Taj Mahal to be allowed to pay for a doctor because their Taj Mahal coverage doesnt cover a regular visit to the doctor.

Obompie and Paul Ryant are the same guy really. Just some insurance clerks.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:44 pm

Donald is only as dangerous as the sheeple are stupid.

The function is: danger level=stupid of the sheeple.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Meno_ » Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:30 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:Donald is only as dangerous as the sheeple are stupid.

The function is: danger level=stupid of the sheeple.




And conversely, the masses are dangerous in direct proportion to their leader's stupidity

A higher formula: Stupidity is evil.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Kathrina » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:33 pm

Trump is a liar, like any other politician. The newest example of the same old examples is the fact that the United States of America have attacked Syria again. Trump once said that, if he became the president of the USA, he didn't want the USA to attack foreign countries again. Now, Trump is the president of the USA and a foreign country is attacked again by the USA.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby phyllo » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:47 pm

Kathrina wrote:Trump is a liar, like any other politician. The newest example of the same old examples is the fact that the United States of America have attacked Syria again. Trump once said that, if he became the president of the USA, he didn't want the USA to attack foreign countries again. Now, Trump is the president of the USA and a foreign country is attacked again by the USA.
A foreign country can do whatever it wants and nobody should interfere?

What kind of ethics is that? It wouldn't pass the smell test if individuals were involved. Why should is be okay for 'countries'?
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Kathrina » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:35 pm

phyllo wrote:
Kathrina wrote:Trump is a liar, like any other politician. The newest example of the same old examples is the fact that the United States of America have attacked Syria again. Trump once said that, if he became the president of the USA, he didn't want the USA to attack foreign countries again. Now, Trump is the president of the USA and a foreign country is attacked again by the USA.
A foreign country can do whatever it wants and nobody should interfere?

What kind of ethics is that? It wouldn't pass the smell test if individuals were involved. Why should is be okay for 'countries'?

I was talking about a lie.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby phyllo » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:37 pm

I was talking about a lie.
What's worse, lying or letting people get gassed?
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Some Guy in History » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:40 pm

phyllo wrote:
I was talking about a lie.
What's worse, lying or letting people get gassed?


We could have both, you know. We could lie AND gas people. I think it's called having our cake and being able to eat it.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Apr 08, 2017 6:52 pm

mannikin wrote:
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mannikin wrote:Everything is going to plan


They made plans for this? That's intriguing to me how they can plan so well; must have the future in their pockets.



A few women must be thrown overboard where their screams echo as there body's drown, in clear view of the frustrated men on deck, taking much delight in such a spectacle so they don't rush the cockpit and intentionally crash the ship killing everyone.


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I can almost see your mouth watering just "ruminating" on it. :lol:
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby MagsJ » Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:33 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:Magsj, are you sure? You know he lost some housing discrimination cases back in the day because he wouldn't rent to black people?

Why aim that fact at me? appeal to my Caribbean heartstrings...
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