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Is Donald Trump DANGEROUS?

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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby iambiguous » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:34 pm

Is Don Trump dangerous?

Well, some folks think so: http://thebulletin.org/timeline
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Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529
Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Jakob » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:24 pm

Kathrina wrote:Is Donald Trump really the leader of a new, hate-filled authoritarian movement?
Is it true that nothing is more harmful to the idea of the West and world peace than Donald Trump as the president of the United States?
Does Donald Trump really want a "ruthless America"?
Is Donald Trump a neo-fascist?
Is Donald Trump a narcist?
Who is he?




Only racists hate Trump. Fact.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Kathrina » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:08 am

Alf wrote:The case of North Korea as the new case of Pearl Harbor?

Havana (USS Maine), Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, Tonkin, Iraq (I), New York (cue: "Nine Eleven"), Taleban (cue: "Terrorists"), Iraq (II) and other examples.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Meno_ » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:18 am

it's fairly certain that the decision to take out North Korea has been made there is little doubt of that based on what's Happening
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Kathrina » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:20 pm

What exactly do you mean?
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Meno_ » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:40 pm

[quote="Kathrina"]What exactly do you mean?[/who

Katrina the US is still the most powerful country in the world it is trying to sustain it's Edge over All and it has the largest military in the world.

There is a number of reasons why they want to take out North Korea. the foremost among them is the angling toward.a.new world order. North Korea is a stumbling block in this effort, even a few rebellious countries must be eliminated for fear of a resurgence of ideology.

The second and maybe more obvious fact is that Trump is very narcissistic and he has to win the rhetoric to overcome doubts persisting because of North Korean show of force.

There is a subtle undercurrent of an unresolved impression between Wag the Dog and Russian influence in the election.

The fact is that there seems to be tenuous vacuum in the political economic worldview caused by presumed and expected rolls to be played bye the United States, also casts a large shadow


The test between rhetoric and resolution does not hinge on an immutable fulcrum consisting on some kind of status quo.

Trump has made that clear and that the rig is up and it's time to take him at his word.

Substantially major assets are in place in the Korean peninsula and all the pieces seem to fit.

People forget the late 1930s when prior two a few months off time, a very tenuous peace proceeded the breakout of the second World War. Nobody really expected peace in our time not to be probable. There even was a non-aggression treaty between the Soviet Union and Germany.

It has happened then and although the probability is less Never Say Never.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Kathrina » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:25 pm

Meno_ wrote:Katrina the US is still the most powerful country in the world it is trying to sustain it's Edge over All and it has the largest military in the world.

There is a number of reasons why they want to take out North Korea. the foremost among them is the angling toward.a.new world order. North Korea is a stumbling block in this effort, even a few rebellious countries must be eliminated for fear of a resurgence of ideology.

The second and maybe more obvious fact is that Trump is very narcissistic and he has to win the rhetoric to overcome doubts persisting because of North Korean show of force.

There is a subtle undercurrent of an unresolved impression between Wag the Dog and Russian influence in the election.

The fact is that there seems to be tenuous vacuum in the political economic worldview caused by presumed and expected rolls to be played bye the United States, also casts a large shadow


The test between rhetoric and resolution does not hinge on an immutable fulcrum consisting on some kind of status quo.

Trump has made that clear and that the rig is up and it's time to take him at his word.

Substantially major assets are in place in the Korean peninsula and all the pieces seem to fit.

People forget the late 1930s when prior two a few months off time, a very tenuous peace proceeded the breakout of the second World War. Nobody really expected peace in our time not to be probable. There even was a non-aggression treaty between the Soviet Union and Germany.

It has happened then and although the probability is less Never Say Never.

Yes. But the enemies of the US are not only outside but also inside the US.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Arminius » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:57 pm

Kathrina wrote:
Meno_ wrote:Katrina the US is still the most powerful country in the world it is trying to sustain it's Edge over All and it has the largest military in the world.

There is a number of reasons why they want to take out North Korea. the foremost among them is the angling toward.a.new world order. North Korea is a stumbling block in this effort, even a few rebellious countries must be eliminated for fear of a resurgence of ideology.

The second and maybe more obvious fact is that Trump is very narcissistic and he has to win the rhetoric to overcome doubts persisting because of North Korean show of force.

There is a subtle undercurrent of an unresolved impression between Wag the Dog and Russian influence in the election.

The fact is that there seems to be tenuous vacuum in the political economic worldview caused by presumed and expected rolls to be played bye the United States, also casts a large shadow


The test between rhetoric and resolution does not hinge on an immutable fulcrum consisting on some kind of status quo.

Trump has made that clear and that the rig is up and it's time to take him at his word.

Substantially major assets are in place in the Korean peninsula and all the pieces seem to fit.

People forget the late 1930s when prior two a few months off time, a very tenuous peace proceeded the breakout of the second World War. Nobody really expected peace in our time not to be probable. There even was a non-aggression treaty between the Soviet Union and Germany.

It has happened then and although the probability is less Never Say Never.

Yes. But the enemies of the US are not only outside but also inside the US.

The most dangerous enemies of a country are inside this country.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Kathrina » Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:38 am

Perhaps, Trump is for the globalists and for the US people.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Meno_ » Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:10 am

Survivalist know no hindrance who know that the art of the deal consists in never ever for no reason whatever give up on acquiring what you want whatever the cost may be.

There is only the absolute need to succeed. There is no mixing of business with pleasure, business is pleasure and failure is like death.

Donald Trump can get absolutely dangerous if he can not get his way
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Meno_ » Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:35 am

Now this kind of danger my be undervalued in a world where America First is an accepted mantra with some pretty determined folks, and Deutscheland uber alles is a historical precedent, of course qualitivaly different.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Arminius » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:08 pm

"Amercia first" has nothing to do with "Deutschland über alles" (composed in 1797 by Franz Joseph Haydn and written in 1841 by August Heinrich Hoffmann von Fallersleben).

Wikipedia wrote:Among the best known is the patriotic "Das Lied der Deutschen" which starts with the words Deutschland, Deutschland über alles and is set to a 1797 tune by Joseph Haydn. The lyrics were written in 1841 on the island of Helgoland .... The text of the song expresses the pan-German sentiments common in revolutionary republicans of the period and were highly inflammatory in the princedoms of the German-speaking world. This sentiment was, of course, considered high treason. The phrase über alles did not refer to militant ideas of conquest of foreign countries, but to the need for loyalty to a united Germany to replace all other regional loyalties.

As opposed to that, "America first" is problematic, Firstly, America is not "USA", but a double continent; so, the term "America first" does not only address the US citizens, but all Americans. Secondly, the term "America first" does not mean that an unification would be needed in order to replace all other regional loyalties; so, others can easily think this is indeed meant as a militant idea of conquest of foreign countries. Thirdly, the term "America first" is an anachronistic term.

So, I can only give the advice to the US citizens that they should avoid the term "America first". In any case, it is more intelligent to avoid it than to use it these days.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Jakob » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:23 pm

It just means America is like any other entity, it puts itself first.

Its not really difficult to understand, if you havent been brainwashed.

The concept of there being a whole continent thats called America is great and Pezer has been saying this, and it would be great if there could be some American Brotherhood of Nations that produces all it needs and has no need of the rest of the world.

An alliance with the equally rich Africa would be ideal. But China is too deep in it, and in South America as it happens, to just go out and do this. We may have to lift some of our claims to their region.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Arminius » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:42 pm

I said:

... others can easily think this is indeed meant as a militant idea of conquest of foreign countries.

It is not really difficult to understand, if you havent been brainwashed.

But never mind, stupid dreamer. Dream on!

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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Kathrina » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:44 pm

I'm convinced now: Donald Trump is dangerous since the US nation is dangerous. The US nation has been starting wars since a long time over and over again. More and more people have been learning how to justifiably hate the US nation for this fact.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Inconvenient Reality » Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:29 pm

=D>

*hits rewind on the Hate America tape*

Justafiably hate the US. I suppose, but who should people then love? Should Americans hate the US? Who should Americans love? Isn't hate bad? Shouldn't people be tolerant of the cultural and social sensibilities of others?
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Kathrina » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:12 pm

Inconvenient Reality wrote: =D>

*hits rewind on the Hate America tape*

Justafiably hate the US. I suppose, but who should people then love? Should Americans hate the US?

If they justafiably hate the US, then yes, of course. And some of them do. They should be more.

Otherwise the others are going to hate the US even much more. A real nightmare, Inconvenient Reality!

Inconvenient Reality wrote:Who should Americans love?

Non-Americans. Most Americans have Non-American roots anyway.

Inconvenient Reality wrote:Isn't hate bad?

Isn't this a question of the ethic "coin"? I mean hating on the one side, being hated on the other. Isn't it justyfied to hate a hater who started hating? Isnt't starting wars bad?

Inconvenient Reality wrote:Shouldn't people be tolerant of the cultural and social sensibilities of others?

Yes, for example the cultural and social sensibilities of Non-Americans.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Zero_Sum » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:14 pm

All political leaders have become dangerous, there isn't a single one that is better or worse over the other.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Arminius » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:59 am

Zero_Sum" wrote:All political leaders have become dangerous, there isn't a single one that is better or worse over the other.


Hello again. :)

I am wondering whether those "leaders" are already geared up for the final battle.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:34 pm

Arminius wrote:
Zero_Sum" wrote:All political leaders have become dangerous, there isn't a single one that is better or worse over the other.


Hello again. :)

I am wondering whether those "leaders" are already geared up for the final battle.

They are so long as they don't have to do the fighting themselves. Hello. :wink:
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Fixed Cross » Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:55 pm

Kathrina wrote:I'm convinced now: Donald Trump is dangerous since the US nation is dangerous. The US nation has been starting wars since a long time over and over again. More and more people have been learning how to justifiably hate the US nation for this fact.

So it is dangerous but not as dangerous as religion or European nations. I agree.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Meno_ » Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:06 pm

Very dangerous because he is relatively unaware of the fact that they are playing him for a stooge.

Remember the British Empire and Her dissolution coincidental with major world wars of the 20 the century ? Now the crisis is a lot bigger its not only the fate of the US superpower at stake, but the whole concept of the New World Order is up for grabs.

Trump is not really with it, his inflated senses can not go along with the fact that in real terms , he is only a broke charlatan ex failed reality show amusement, seething with anger that puppeteers are running a kind of Truman show.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Zero_Sum » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:58 pm

Meno_ wrote:Very dangerous because he is relatively unaware of the fact that they are playing him for a stooge.

Remember the British Empire and Her dissolution coincidental with major world wars of the 20 the century ? Now the crisis is a lot bigger its not only the fate of the US superpower at stake, but the whole concept of the New World Order is up for grabs.

Trump is not really with it, his inflated senses can not go along with the fact that in real terms , he is only a broke charlatan ex failed reality show amusement, seething with anger that puppeteers are running a kind of Truman show.

He is either aware of what is going on playing along as any good actor would or he is very naive where his enemies are easily surrounding him. Time will tell which is true over the other.

Some will say he is playing the grand chess board where he is manipulating things to his own benefit in the background but I've seen no evidence of this.

No doubt conservatives will see this post and chastise me for saying as much but they must understand that I have no love of the political left either.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Meno_ » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:55 am

So you are a chess player . I think your right on pretty much and here is a little addendum.

He is either setting up what now appears to be middle game or his game is being set up by no other then Kushner, whose position is at once solidified and weakened -which incidentally is a clever ploy - a kind of petite sacrifice- by solidifying his own impressive manipulation toward the building of a Palistine State. I think that he is behind old man Trump and its uncertain where are the winds of power flowing from and to whom exactly. That is the beauty of this delicate filigree of political nuance and intrigue , reminiscent of Machiavelli.

The screws are beginning to be locked into the Korean situation as well , and a certain kind of stability may be at hand , with an irreversible mechanism assuring some kind of manifest, whose absence pre election and post election was said to be lacking.

A severe pragmatism should not be confused with a conventional agenda of the right , so you should not be worried about what they think of you.

This political football need a touchdown badly and I think it may yet happen soon with the passage of the tax overhaul.
The middle class has always traditionally carried the burden anyway, its what they are used to and can tap themselves on the back for being the prime supporter and banner carrier of convention any way.

There is worry everywhere , but punches and counter punches have pretty much denoted and amaliated any sense of panic.

This whole theatre was magnificently set up and orchestrated and is very acutely forged with the dissamblence of any obstructive efforts of antagonistic or reactionary plans.

Enter North Korea , the perfextly set up faux symbol for it.
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Re: Is Donald Trump Dangerous?

Postby Alf » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:17 am

Zero_Sum wrote:He is ....
Meno_ wrote:He is ....

He is like Benedict Arnold was. :evilfun:
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