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45 accuses Obama of wiretapping

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:11 pm

45 sent out tweets claiming that Obama had 45 towers
wiretapped...now a couple of things..... first a president
can't order a wiretap... he must go to a judge who then approves it...
now if a judge denies.. then that is that... according to a London
paper... The guardian? a request was made to wiretap 4 of 45
associates that was granted... now this means that the JUDGE
felt there was enough evidence to allow such a wiretap....
now what is being left unsaid by 45.. is that the wiretapping was
most likely allowed because of suspected Russian contacts within
the 45 administration.....another brick in the wall that suggest
the intelligence community felt that there was a lot
of communication between the 45 camp and the Russians....
this is not good for 45.... it confirms that the Russians and
the 45 camp have been and most likely are in constant contact....
and not in a good way......if 45 is right, then it suggest that that intelligence
community was worried about this and if he is wrong... then he is paranoid
as fuck and becoming a even bigger danger to himself and the world...
either way, it doesn't end well for anyone.....

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Re: 45 accuses Obama of wiretapping

Postby James S Saint » Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:20 pm

Yet another self-defeating hatred witch-hunt argument.

First, judges require damn little "evidence" to approve a wiretapping. But having done so and having the wiretapping surveillance in place and monitoring of these 45 people's every conversation, what came of it?

They investigated their own paranoia and apparently found nothing. But they seriously wanted there to be something, so they still promoted to the press that there was collusion.

Having actually proven to themselves that there was nothing to prosecute anyone for, they ignored their own evidence and now try to prosecute through illegitimate means .. witch-hunting.
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Re: 45 accuses Obama of wiretapping

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:49 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:45 sent out tweets claiming that Obama had 45 towers
wiretapped...now a couple of things..... first a president
can't order a wiretap... he must go to a judge who then approves it...
now if a judge denies.. then that is that... according to a London
paper... The guardian? a request was made to wiretap 4 of 45
associates that was granted... now this means that the JUDGE
felt there was enough evidence to allow such a wiretap....
now what is being left unsaid by 45.. is that the wiretapping was
most likely allowed because of suspected Russian contacts within
the 45 administration.....another brick in the wall that suggest
the intelligence community felt that there was a lot
of communication between the 45 camp and the Russians....
this is not good for 45.... it confirms that the Russians and
the 45 camp have been and most likely are in constant contact....
and not in a good way......if 45 is right, then it suggest that that intelligence
community was worried about this and if he is wrong... then he is paranoid
as fuck and becoming a even bigger danger to himself and the world...
either way, it doesn't end well for anyone.....

Kropotkin


The freedom leftist loving Peter Kropotkin supports the police state, no surprise there.

"He's a conservative therefore he deserves to be wiretapped."
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Re: 45 accuses Obama of wiretapping

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:55 pm

They're already denying the wiretapping. Somebody in the democratic party is licking their chops at the prospect of a Trump impeachment as this just adds to the fire for Donald Trump.

Looking more and more like an impeachment coup in the making. They'll never (the establishment) be satisfied with a Mike Pence in transition. No, something else is going on like the federal reserve raising credit rates at the end of the month or the federal government reaching near bankruptcy by March 17th.

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Re: 45 accuses Obama of wiretapping

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:06 am

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Re: 45 accuses Obama of wiretapping

Postby Uccisore » Sun Mar 05, 2017 8:07 pm

There's no way in hell Obama ordered a wire-tapping of Trump tower, or at least that it would ever get back to him. There are layers upon layers upon functionaries between Obama's lips and somebody tapping a phone, such that him uttering the words will be 100% unprovable, and probably unnecessary. It's like the IRS targetting of conservative groups: you don't need Obama on the phone saying "Do this", and that likely never happened. You've got a circle of aids that know the general kinds of things the President is willing to do, and they act on his behalf shielding him with plausible deniability.

Now it's possible that Trump just made the whole thing up or is confused about some info he saw; this happens. But even if he's 100% correct, there is never going to be the smoking gun of some kind of proof that Obama personally ordered a wiretap, or that he kept it going after the investigation was concluded.
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Re: 45 accuses Obama of wiretapping

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:21 pm

the fact is, there is absolutely no reason for Obama to wiretap 45....
if you look at the time frame, at that point, it looked like Clinton
landslide... zero reason for a Obama wiretap...
Plenty of reasons for the intelligence community to become worried..
but not Obama personally....

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Re: 45 accuses Obama of wiretapping

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:47 pm

A president under various military charters can indeed order wire tapping but Obama and his prior administration have full probable deniability as cover.
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Re: 45 accuses Obama of wiretapping

Postby Uccisore » Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:18 am

Peter Kropotkin wrote:the fact is, there is absolutely no reason for Obama to wiretap 45....
if you look at the time frame, at that point, it looked like Clinton
landslide...


This sounds an awful lot like you're admitting that there's absolutely nothing to the Russian collusion issue, and the only reason any of this is happening is because Trump won.
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Re: 45 accuses Obama of wiretapping

Postby Xunzian » Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:40 am

While I'm not a huge fan of the NSA and the whole post-9/11 security apparatus but if they aren't tapping the lines of people suspected of being involved in treason/sedition then what are they for?

Stop laughing.

I mean, I think we all know the answer to that question. But as a technocrat, I do believe in the virtue of systems.
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Re: 45 accuses Obama of wiretapping

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:04 am

Xunzian wrote:While I'm not a huge fan of the NSA and the whole post-9/11 security apparatus but if they aren't tapping the lines of people suspected of being involved in treason/sedition then what are they for?

Stop laughing.

I mean, I think we all know the answer to that question. But as a technocrat, I do believe in the virtue of systems.

Well, there's always blackmailing politicians and insider trading.....
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Re: 45 accuses Obama of wiretapping

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:51 pm

Uccisore wrote:
Peter Kropotkin wrote:the fact is, there is absolutely no reason for Obama to wiretap 45....
if you look at the time frame, at that point, it looked like Clinton
landslide...


This sounds an awful lot like you're admitting that there's absolutely nothing to the Russian collusion issue, and the only reason any of this is happening is because Trump won.


K: not at all.... in fact, it would suggest even more Russian collusion.....
let us say, that the Russians did bankroll 45 and the evidence is clear
that the only loans 45 could get was from Russian bankers.... (putin)
and that the Russian invested heavily in 45 winning.... if 45 loses
and then Clinton can come in investigate and really run the Russians
through the ringer with all that effort going into Russian collusion to win
the election with 45..... so the Russians have a problem when Clinton
takes a big lead... do we pull the plug on 45 OR do we double the bet...
clearly the Russians decided to double down to protect their investment.....
.... you have to see it in terms of money spent... do you protect your investment or
do you walk away and take the hit? The Russians won their bet and are seeing
the payoff.......

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protects a bunch of pricks, and gives one a sense of security while screwing others.

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