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Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:03 pm

Nurture: Have clinical psychologists and therapists for all cases of severe criminal behavior - not just the ones that are mentally ill. My idea of a jail would be like a place that girl is sent to in "Girl, Interrupted". I believe that criminal issues should be focused not on punishment (as nature does), but rehabilitation and I strongly think that when it comes to nurture, criminal issues are deep psychological issues. People that are repeat offenders have deep psychological problems that need to be resolved. I would close the for-profit jails and prisons and re-open the decaying mental hospitals and re-brand them as, "psychological criminal units" which people would see therapists, psychologists, and psychiatrists to treat the nurture of their problems. This wouldn't be like Norway's prisons - there wouldn't be computers or wifi. But it wouldn't be like the jails and prisons we have today either. It would strongly focus on rehabilitation rather than punishment. There would be support group meetings and wings of the units that would focus on one issue (such as violence, financial gain, or sexual abuse) and people would be focused on getting help rather than getting hurt again. There would be support group meetings focused on resolving the issue at hand. Sentences would not be issued by judges or a jury. Instead the time someone is in one of these units would end when the therapist/psychologist, nurse, councilor, social worker, and psychiatrist all feel like it is okay to be released to the real world.


I'm all for it, long as we get to have sexual relations with the nurses while we're in.
Nature: For sex offenders, nature can be fixed with castration, either physical or chemical. There are also drugs out there, certain anti-depressants, that work as a sexual-killer for both sexes. Introduce those medications as "anti-Viagra" and unless they are prone to manic episodes give them that. Another solution down the road would be gene therapy. Target the genes that influence the behaviors, feelings and thoughts, and turn them off. Another thing they could do is force rapists to take birth control or surgery to prevent them from reproducing. They don't reproduce, and you're less likely to have another generation of sex offenders. Of course, if the sex offender is in a loving relationship and has repented his old ways, I believe that person ought to reproduce. Most if not all of these cases would only apply to the individuals that are the most serious of cases. The kid that shows his junk on a phone wouldn't be prosecuted this way. As far as non-sexual offenders go, many of these treatments still apply. Many medications don't get used for what they could be used for. For example, I have bipolar one but when I take invega, it calms my anger problems. I believe that many psychiatric drugs could be off-label for other things. As they say, "there's a drug for everything nowadays.

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Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:04 pm

WendyDarling wrote:A less shitty society means less regard for science, more regard for nature and its people.


Another mindnumbingly retarded post from Wendy, have to add it to my box of idiocy.
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Postby Some Guy in History » Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:26 pm

A criminal has an element of nobility, he will kill quickly and put the animal out of his misery...but the common man is the cruelest force of all, he has designed a cage specific to each animal and torments each soul without end and without pity or respite.


the animal plays with its kill and so any 'criminal' could also be just as liable to play with theirs instead of ending their misery quickly. Variety being the spice of it, so to speak.
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Re: What to do with ‘criminals’, when there are so many...

Postby Gloominary » Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:55 pm

WendyDarling wrote:Men have stronger criminal tendencies than women, the causality is emotional retardation found to be prevalent in men.

Based on my research, men aren't anymore likely to physically abuse women than women men.
While men seem to be more physically violent, the vast majority of that is directed at other men and institutions, not women.
As for verbal violence, I'm not sure, perhaps women are more, psychologically violent, if you will, more manipulative or passive-aggressive.
They lack physicality, so they've probably compensated by overdeveloping other areas.
While men are more overtly violent, they're also more likely to protect women or other men from danger, whether this danger is the result of the environment, or other dangerous men and women.
Men are our doctors, our emts, our firemen, and our policemen, putting themselves in peril to save others.
The vast majority of men are protectors, not perpetrators, let's not forget that, there's two sides to every coin.
Lastly, some crime is good, it's men who revolt against unjust governments, not women.
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Re: What to do with ‘criminals’, when there are so many...

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:50 am

Gloominary wrote
Based on my research, men aren't anymore likely to physically abuse women than women men.
While men seem to be more physically violent, the vast majority of that is directed at other men and institutions, not women.


What research? Men only seem to be more physically violent or men are more physically violent?
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Re: What to do with ‘criminals’, when there are so many...

Postby Gloominary » Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:02 am

WendyDarling wrote:Gloominary wrote
Based on my research, men aren't anymore likely to physically abuse women than women men.
While men seem to be more physically violent, the vast majority of that is directed at other men and institutions, not women.


What research? Men only seem to be more physically violent or men are more physically violent?

When it comes to domestic violence, men aren't more likely to be the abusers or instigators, statistically.
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Postby WendyDarling » Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:07 am

What about the stats on the streets? The domestic violence travels outside.
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Re: What to do with ‘criminals’, when there are so many...

Postby Gloominary » Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:39 am

WendyDarling wrote:What about the stats on the streets? The domestic violence travels outside.

By domestic violence i mean spousal abuse and also child abuse btw, not just when it occurs in the home, but outside.
In the western world, women are about as likely to instigate violence, however studies seem to indicate they're more likely to report it when it's been inflicted upon them, because society minimizes female on male violence, and when couples fight, regardless of who instigates, women are more likely to be damaged by it, because they're physically weaker.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_against_men#Gender_symmetry

IPV = Intimate Partner Violence

Since 1975, numerous other empirical studies have found evidence of gender symmetry. For example, in the United States, the National Comorbidity Study of 1990-1992 found 18.4% of men and 17.4% of women had experienced minor IPV, and 5.5% of men and 6.5% of women had experienced severe IPV.[51][52] In England and Wales, the 1995 "Home Office Research Study 191" found that in the twelve months prior to the survey, 4.2% of both men and woman between the ages of 16 and 59 had been assaulted by an intimate.[53] The Canadian General Social Survey of 2000 found that from 1994 to 1999, 4% of men and 4% of women had experienced IPV in a relationship in which they were still involved, 22% of men and 28% of women had experienced IPV in a relationship which had now ended, and 7% of men and 8% of women had experienced IPV across all relationships, past and present.[29] The 2005 Canadian General Social Survey, looking at the years 1999-2004 found similar data; 4% of men and 3% of women had experienced IPV in a relationship in which they were still involved, 16% of men and 21% of women had experienced IPV in a relationship which had now ended, and 6% of men and 7% of women had experienced IPV across all relationships, past and present.[30]
An especially controversial aspect of the gender symmetry debate is the notion of bidirectional or reciprocal IPV (i.e. when both parties commit violent acts against one another). Findings regarding bidirectional violence are particularly controversial because, if accepted, they can serve to undermine one of the most commonly cited reasons for female perpetrated IPV; self-defense against an aggressive male partner. Despite this, many studies have found evidence of high levels of bidirectionality in cases where women have reported IPV. For example, social activist Erin Pizzey, who established the first women's shelter in the U.K. in 1971, found that 62 of the first 100 women admitted to the centre were "violence-prone," and just as violent as the men they were leaving.[54] The 1975 National Family Violence Survey found that 27.7% of IPV cases were perpetrated by men alone, 22.7% by women alone and 49.5% were bidirectional. In order to counteract claims that the reporting data was skewed, female-only surveys were conducted, asking females to self-report, resulting in almost identical data.[55] The 1985 National Family Violence Survey found 25.9% of IPV cases perpetrated by men alone, 25.5% by women alone, and 48.6% were bidirectional.[56] A study conducted in 2007 by Daniel J. Whitaker, Tadesse Haileyesus, Monica Swahn, and Linda S. Saltzman, of 11,370 heterosexual U.S. adults aged 18 to 28 found that 24% of all relationships had some violence. Of those relationships, 49.7% of them had reciprocal violence. In relationships without reciprocal violence, women committed 70% of all violence. However, men were more likely to inflict injury than women.

That about sums it up right there in red, if anything, women are more likely to commit IPV, but when it's reciprocal, they're also more likely to be injured by it.
Consequently female on male violence is downplayed, and we begin to think female on male violence is nearly nonexistent, when it's not, it's just not given much consideration.
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Re: What to do with ‘criminals’, when there are so many...

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:10 am

Surveys where people choose to be honest or not do not impress me. Police reported situations tend to represent a higher percentage of males who are abusive or where both partners engage in abuse however, the injuries are not comparable in most cases.

http://www.refuge.org.uk/files/Statistics-domestic-violence-and-gender.pdf
This link takes away a person's survey choice to be honest or not.

I'll look into successful prosecution cases of repeat offenders since perpetrators repeat their behaviors.
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Re: What to do with ‘criminals’, when there are so many...

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:38 am

Gloominary wrote
Consequently female on male violence is downplayed, and we begin to think female on male violence is nearly nonexistent, when it's not, it's just not given much consideration.


I agree that it is downplayed due to the nature of the injuries. If more women take up arms to equal the nature of the injuries and such actions are not discouraged by society, then men will grow to fear women as the culpability for violence wanes throughout the world. As a man, do you fear for your safety being taken away by a woman passing you on the street?

Already men do not take responsibility for their behaviors, when women join the men in endeavors to perpetrate violence in reciprocal measures, that will be the war like no other.
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Re: What to do with ‘criminals’, when there are so many...

Postby Gloominary » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:28 am

WendyDarling wrote:Surveys where people choose to be honest or not do not impress me. Police reported situations tend to represent a higher percentage of males who are abusive or where both partners engage in abuse however, the injuries are not comparable in most cases.

http://www.refuge.org.uk/files/Statistics-domestic-violence-and-gender.pdf
This link takes away a person's survey choice to be honest or not.

I'll look into successful prosecution cases of repeat offenders since perpetrators repeat their behaviors.

Where violence is reciprocal, I don't think anyone disputes women, tend, to suffer the brunt of the damage.
Perhaps courts are more reliable than surveys, in the sense that more objective evidence is sought, rather than basing their findings solely on claims.

However, I think it's obvious that violence against men is taken less seriously (and perhaps for good reason to some extent, because women tend to be physically, and even psychologically more vulnerable, but let's be honest, that doesn't necessarily mean it isn't occurring as much or more frequently) than violence against women, and this dissuades men from reporting on it, after all, if a man and women are fighting, even if the woman is clearly the instigator, both male and female onlookers will often come to her aid, even going so far as to attack the man merely for defending himself.
From a young age, boys are often taught never to hit women under any circumstances, and to be tough, not to be a victim.

In all likelihood, the reason why there's a discrepancy between convictions and surveys is because men won't go out of their way to on report violence perpetrated against them by a spouse, due to social pressures discouraging them from doing so ('A woman? Bro what's a matter for you? Man up!'), but when asked, when given the opportunity and not dissuaded, men will speak about violence inflicted upon them, violence that would've otherwise gone unreported, where as females are just as likely to report male on female violence to police officers, as they are to surveyors.

Or, you could claim that men are being more dishonest on surveys than women.
It's not as if men and women are reporting violence equally to police, but evidence is supports females being victims over males, no the vast majority of reports are from females.
Just because men aren't reporting it doesn't mean it probably isn't happenings, and when you look at the social roles men and women have been assigned by society and are expected to carry out, as well as the physical and even psychological disparities, we should expect men reporting on it far less.
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Re: What to do with ‘criminals’, when there are so many...

Postby Gloominary » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:07 am

WendyDarling wrote:Gloominary wrote
Consequently female on male violence is downplayed, and we begin to think female on male violence is nearly nonexistent, when it's not, it's just not given much consideration.


I agree that it is downplayed due to the nature of the injuries. If more women take up arms to equal the nature of the injuries and such actions are not discouraged by society, then men will grow to fear women as the culpability for violence wanes throughout the world. As a man, do you fear for your safety being taken away by a woman passing you on the street?

Already men do not take responsibility for their behaviors, when women join the men in endeavors to perpetrate violence in reciprocal measures, that will be the war like no other.

Men do take responsibility for their behaviors, willingly or otherwise, men face stiffer sentences for committing the same acts of violence women commit against men, sometimes even if the damage is equal.
Where as society, the media, everything, often makes light of female @ male violence.
When a male and female are fighting, it's often assumed by onlookers and even law enforcement the male is the culprit, which is sexual discrimination.

Women have taken up arms against men, but as is typical of their nature, they don't have to do this directly, they do it indirectly, by playing the politics of victimhood, by organizing themselves, by marching, protesting, demonstrating, writing and appropriating political power, using it for their interests and to their advantage, often at the expense of men's.
Meanwhile, men do nothing, there is no male equivalent of feminism, at least none that is known by society at large let alone taken seriously, and there are few if any institutions that exist exclusively to protect men against domestic violence, or for that matter, from a lot of issues which afflict men and women alike, but for which women are given special care for.

Perhaps women need extra special care, not because men are eviler, but because women are the weaker sex, but let's be honest about it... but feminists don't want to be, because if it's solely due to women's weaknesses, and not men's sociopathy, that would mean women are less capable than men, and if they're less capable than men, perhaps they should have fewer rights too, but we musn't even entertain that, heaven forbid.
I say if you want equal rights, you ought to have equal responsibilities, you can't have it both ways.
In the case of domestic violence at least, I'd say it's a matter of women being weaker, physically, and even psychologically, not men being more antisocial.
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Re: What to do with ‘criminals’, when there are so many...

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:18 am

You deny my evidence and I deny yours. We could go back and forth, you with opinions and me with documented evidence, but I have no time for silly denials. If women are becoming more violent, it's about damn time since men only seem to understand brute force in their lack of accountability. Men need to fear women to understand this dichotomy I guess.
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Re: What to do with ‘criminals’, when there are so many...

Postby gib » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:25 am

WendyDarling wrote:You deny my evidence and I deny yours. We could go back and forth, you with opinions and me with documented evidence, but I have no time for silly denials. If women are becoming more violent, it's about damn time since men only seem to understand brute force in their lack of accountability. Men need to fear women to understand this dichotomy I guess.


Ouch, Wendy. :(
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Postby WendyDarling » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:30 am

Oh gibbifindiffin,

Men have no idea of what a real ouch feels like concerning women, but women haven't had much freedom for very long and they are wasting there breath with more civilized approaches regarding their grievances which men do not deserve. Women are tired of being punching bags, but they haven't formed any significant plans to eliminate unwarranted male aggression like the men exhibit around here. Martial arts training and weapons training needs to be taught to every girl starting at 4 years of age. Forget being Barbie, Kens a violent asshole.
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Postby gib » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:45 am

Just do me a favor and let me know when the war begins. I'll be hiding in my bunker.
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Postby WendyDarling » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:46 am

Hiding from your daughter like many daughters do from their fathers?
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Postby gib » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:50 am

Depends on if she joins your ranks or not. If she wants to kill me because I'm a man, then yes I'll hide from her.
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Postby Gloominary » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:52 am

It's not merely my opinion, I have made citations, I have presented research that's been conducted by scientists and social workers, indicating that women abuse men as much or more than men women, and we are arguing over the implications and correct interpretation of that evidence.
While you haven't cited anything, I concur that men are convicted of domestic violence more than women, but that in itself proves little, it mostly just proves women report on it more and therefore have more men convicted, it's not as if men and women report on it equally.
I'm arguing when you put our evidences into context, the fact that men's violence is more damaging, sheerly on account of their greater size, and arguably because women are psychologically weaker too, as well as social biases, societal roles, there being stiffer and swifter penalties for men to pay, more women's support groups and so on, taking all that into account, women reporting on domestic violence more than men and therefore having more men convicted is to be expected.
These social workers are experienced, trained professionals, trained to assess genuine psychological abuse, trauma, it'd be foolhardy to just dismiss them.
When both women, and men are encouraged to come forward and speak up, we find men and women instigate violence about equally, or women even more so.
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Postby WendyDarling » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:55 am

Gibmoomoo,

It's called tough love. :wink:
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Postby WendyDarling » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:58 am

If men are injured and fear for their safety, they should report or is that a women's fault as well?
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Postby gib » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:58 am

WendyDarling wrote:Gibmoomoo,

It's called tough love. :wink:


Well, as long as I don't get killed. :shock:
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Postby WendyDarling » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:02 am

Gibbind,

You are scared of alpha women, but oh to be loved by one. :evilfun:
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Postby gib » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:08 am

WendyDarling wrote:Gibbind,

You are scared of alpha women, but oh to be loved by one. :evilfun:


I don't think an alpha woman could love me. My current infatuation (Claire Boucher) is a perfect mix of alpha and beta (and the more I research, the more beta she seems).

Anyway, you're obviously in a pissy mood right now. I'm going to bed. Talk to you in the morning.
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Postby WendyDarling » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:11 am

Goodnight!
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