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Postby Amorphos » Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:51 pm

What to do with ‘criminals’, when there are so many and we live in this world?

Recently the police said [it was on ‘question time’ too] there are too many paedophiles ~ including just people who view images of children, for police to have the resources to arrest and imprison them all. No one seems to understand where to draw the lines, any amount of ‘that’ whatever that is, is the same to them. That doesn’t make any sense, for a start there is a line between thinking and doing, looking and acting, then there is the question as to whether or not causal impulses are the fault of individuals. 1 in 35 men the statistics said, so just how many people do you think should be put in jail?

Another show, I saw women saying all men who have ever committed crimes of violence on women, should all be put in jail. What fucking world do these dumb bitches think they are living in, and exactly what proportion of the world populations do they want put in prisons! I’d hate to be their brother/father/husband.
I propose; get rid of all prisons. Replace them with islands where criminals can live peacefully without harming others. Then can plant trees n stuff.

Oh and tell women to shut the fuck up with their poor me shit and general stupidity, and learn to understand what causality is. The world is horrible, men simply exist in that pile of shit.

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Postby WendyDarling » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:16 pm

Men have stronger criminal tendencies than women, the causality is emotional retardation found to be prevalent in men.
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Postby Amorphos » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:11 pm

WendyDarling wrote:Men have stronger criminal tendencies than women, the causality is emotional retardation found to be prevalent in men.


or men and women have causality occurring, and you can take any man place him in a warzone and you get a psychopathic child killer while their women support them [because they would do it if the men weren't doing it for them] = causality. violence is an emotion as is desire!
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Postby WendyDarling » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:24 pm

Violence is an action. Anger is an emotion. Why do men gravitate towards violent activities?
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Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:25 am

Male violence is based upon female expectations and standards unrealistically enforced on men but nobody likes talking about that where it is just easier to blame everything of the world's problems on men only. It's more convenient that way as women like to portray themselves as exceptions to the world's problems instead of admitting the intricate roles they play.
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Postby WendyDarling » Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:04 am

Weren't you the one who told me that men are insanely competitive? Isn't it about "the glory?"
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Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Sun Mar 05, 2017 6:24 pm

WendyDarling wrote:Weren't you the one who told me that men are insanely competitive? Isn't it about "the glory?"

For some it is the glory, for others not so much. Competition albeited by women themselves.
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Postby WendyDarling » Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:18 am

Mictlantecuhtli wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:Weren't you the one who told me that men are insanely competitive? Isn't it about "the glory?"

For some it is the glory, for others not so much. Competition albeited by women themselves.


Are men unable to take responsibility for their actions? Are men slaves to other men? Or are woman in the drivers' seat and have always been? Women are the alphas, men the betas. Women lead from behind?
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Postby humunculus » Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:45 am

Amorphos wrote:What to do with ‘criminals’, when there are so many and we live in this world?

There are many people who fall or put themselves on the wrong side of the law in many places.
There are also many reasons for this.
But you do not seem concerned with crime in general, (most of which is conflict over resources,) but only with sex-related crimes.

there are too many paedophiles ~ including just people who view images of children, for police to have the resources to arrest and imprison them all.

A not unreasonable comment from the police POV: and it was probably a response to a question along the lines of: "What are you doing to protect us from...?" which is what the police are expected to do and, of course, cannot do.
No one seems to understand where to draw the lines, any amount of ‘that’ whatever that is, is the same to them.

No, I do not believe that is the case. We each draw our lines according to our specific role in the situation being considered. A man with a teen-aged daughter will a draw a much tighter line than a man with no children; an urban paranoid will draw different lines from a laid-back farmer; a policeman draws them in accord with his own duties, powers and experience.
... for a start there is a line between thinking and doing, looking and acting,

Sure, but they're thin, crossable, incremental lines. There is no action that was not preceded by a plan; no plan that was not preceded by an intention; no intention that was not preceded by a thought; no thought that was not preceded by a desire. Since establishing "motive" is one of the factors in successful prosecution, tracing a criminal act back to its inception is logical from the legal perspective.
Incidentally, viewing images is already an act, and a premeditated act, if the perv had to seek them out; it's also complicity in the overt crime of creating and disseminating child pornography.
then there is the question as to whether or not causal impulses are the fault of individuals.

Fault is rarely the issue for the victims, or the victim's and potential victims' parents. Once the perv is contained, you can debate which bin to keep him in.
1 in 35 men the statistics said, so just how many people do you think should be put in jail?

In America, jail seems to be people's default reaction to every societal problem.
I see something much more worrisome than 'crime' in that statistic.

Another show, I saw women saying all men who have ever committed crimes of violence on women, should all be put in jail. What fucking world do these dumb bitches think they are living in, and exactly what proportion of the world populations do they want put in prisons!

Sounds like about 49%. And it can't have been all that many 'dumb bitches' saying this. I have to wonder about your massive overreaction.

I propose; get rid of all prisons. Replace them with islands where criminals can live peacefully without harming others.

Let's call it Australia. Only, now, it would have to be a distant planet. And you'd have to make sure it was uninhabited and you never send women there, because they'd be raped in the first three minutes, and any who survived would bear children, who would soon become prey in turn...
Or, you could examine your society for the causes of all the dysfunction.

The world is horrible, men simply exist in that pile of shit.

Who's been running it - and generally making women shut up for 30,000 years?
Shouldn't we wonder how the world turned into a pile of shit?
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Postby Amorphos » Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:57 am

Mictlantecuhtli wrote:Male violence is based upon female expectations and standards unrealistically enforced on men but nobody likes talking about that where it is just easier to blame everything of the world's problems on men only. It's more convenient that way as women like to portray themselves as exceptions to the world's problems instead of admitting the intricate roles they play.


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Postby Amorphos » Mon Mar 06, 2017 3:26 am

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No one seems to understand where to draw the lines, any amount of ‘that’ whatever that is, is the same to them. -

No, I do not believe that is the case. We each draw our lines according to our specific role in the situation being considered.


I agree, sorry I should have made it clearer that the women speaking on a news channel were saying specifically that there are no degrees and all of ‘them’ are the same.

Sure, but they're thin, crossable, incremental lines. There is no action that was not preceded by a plan; no plan that was not preceded by an intention; no intention that was not preceded by a thought; no thought that was not preceded by a desire. Since establishing "motive" is one of the factors in successful prosecution, tracing a criminal act back to its inception is logical from the legal perspective.


If all there was were people with bad thoughts there would be no evil nor crime actually occurring! I still think that is the simplest and most fundamental point. The motive is only a motive when a crime ACTUALLY occurs.

Incidentally, viewing images is already an act, and a premeditated act, if the perv had to seek them out; it's also complicity in the overt crime of creating and disseminating child pornography.


it is not an act upon a person directly. ...So the internet comes along and gives men a button that not only gives them anything they want, but via blind links and hacking etc, it takes them to where they weren’t even wanting to go ~ all whilst in full steam so to say. In this causal universe that very tool is the instrument providing those images.
Secondly looking is not the same as doing, looking is in the third party and doing is in the first. Those who put up the pictures if they are sexualised that is [people don’t seem to know that a high percentage of pedo’s don’t want sexualised images but normal everyday photo’s], are those who commit crimes. If being in the third party to that is also a crime [and the same degree of crime?!], then the providers of the instruments are equally guilty. The authorities could have closed shop from the outset, but as usual financial concerns drove it all.

Fault is rarely the issue for the victims,


Victims can only truly be in the first person, otherwise its just in their imagination.

In America, jail seems to be people's default reaction to every societal problem.
I see something much more worrisome than 'crime' in that statistic.


Me too, hence why it needs to be questioned.

Sounds like about 49%. And it can't have been all that many 'dumb bitches' saying this. I have to wonder about your massive overreaction.


I watch a lot of news and documentaries, and have yet to hear anything sensible. The emotion [overreaction] occurred when one group on the news show said about lines or lack of them. That winds me up because I’ve been in jail [for rioting] and I think its just about the worse thing you can do to make people much worse. But mostly its the thought that they don’t know where to stop, or care how many people are put away. For me its about math too, if prisons work at all, there will be a percentage who are cured by it and some who are made worse. Ergo put 100 guys in jail and stick a label like that on them for life, and you will manifest a percentage of the worse category. Thus the more people you punish, the greater the number of worse percentage are manifest by that action alone.

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Postby humunculus » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:02 am

The USA does seem to attempt to solve all of its problems by throwing people in prison.
Prisons don't correct or rehabilitate most of their inmates, and do nothing whatever about the general craziness.
Blaming women does nothing to help, either.
Americans don't like to think. Therefore, American problems are insoluble.
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Postby mannikin » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:30 am

This question is really easier for me, i firmly believe the answer is extreme extermination under the establishment of authoritative law. I have this law with in me. Criminals exists by the many because there is no justice, light sentences, too much empathy..no fear, no regulation..what a world of such sickness when all these children go missing and are raped and murdered..when men and women no longer look upon children with love and kindness with a deep desire to protect them..but rather sexually abuse them, torture them and kill them..

The question is why are you all so hesitant to arrive at this inevitable conclusion?
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Postby humunculus » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:34 am

Because extermination tends to end in extinction, and most people would prefer not to be extinct.
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Postby humunculus » Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:00 am

Mictlantecuhtli wrote:Male violence is based upon female expectations and standards unrealistically enforced on men but nobody likes talking about that where it is just easier to blame everything of the world's problems on men only. It's more convenient that way as women like to portray themselves as exceptions to the world's problems instead of admitting the intricate roles they play.

If that's all true, women have been able to exert incredible influence - even to directing men's behaviour through their mere expectations,\.
If women were able to do this, when they were not allowed to vote, own property, hold public office or directorships in business, enter professions, speak in public or have a higher education, for most of the time civilization has existed, while men have been unable to solve most of humanity's problems, then women must be a thousand times as clever as men.
Why not turn the running of the world over to them?
Not only would they have no more cause for complaint; not only would they be stuck with the mess; not only would it keep them too busy to annoy men, but ---
---- they might actually solve the problems!
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Postby WendyDarling » Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:06 am

Amen. We would.
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Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:26 pm

WendyDarling wrote:Men have stronger criminal tendencies than women, the causality is emotional retardation found to be prevalent in men.


As an American Nation we must end this gender war between genders. Women must stop their hatred and bigotry against men, and men must stop their hatred and bigotry against women, if we are to experience true sexual healing as a nation. Men must once again love women, and women must once again love men.
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Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:27 pm

As President of America I will send all serious criminals to Africa. They can help in humanitarian efforts in helping the economy and civilization of the African Plains.
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Postby humunculus » Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:15 pm

England, Germany, Belgium, France and Holland did that already, two hundred years ago.
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Postby Amorphos » Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:50 pm

Rehabilitation is key I think, so when people talk about 20-30 year old cases it makes me wonder. If ‘they’ [your brothers, sons, husbands and fathers] haven’t done anything in all that time, the situation has already been sorted, so no use flogging a dead horse there.

mannikin wrote:This question is really easier for me, i firmly believe the answer is extreme extermination under the establishment of authoritative law. I have this law with in me. Criminals exists by the many because there is no justice, light sentences, too much empathy..no fear, no regulation..what a world of such sickness when all these children go missing and are raped and murdered..when men and women no longer look upon children with love and kindness with a deep desire to protect them..but rather sexually abuse them, torture them and kill them..

The question is why are you all so hesitant to arrive at this inevitable conclusion?


Crime has gone down significantly over the last hundred years, rapes down by 70% etc. They used to be much tougher and more authoritative in the past and things were much much worse. If you read the end of my last post, that’s the math that counts. You put more people in jail or otherwise do worse things to them, and you are simply perpetuating the duality. Get worse and it will get worse, its like an engine of evil or something.

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Mictlantecuhtli wrote:Male violence is based upon female expectations and standards unrealistically enforced on men but nobody likes talking about that where it is just easier to blame everything of the world's problems on men only. It's more convenient that way as women like to portray themselves as exceptions to the world's problems instead of admitting the intricate roles they play.

If that's all true, women have been able to exert incredible influence - even to directing men's behaviour through their mere expectations,\.
If women were able to do this, when they were not allowed to vote, own property, hold public office or directorships in business, enter professions, speak in public or have a higher education, for most of the time civilization has existed, while men have been unable to solve most of humanity's problems, then women must be a thousand times as clever as men.
Why not turn the running of the world over to them?
Not only would they have no more cause for complaint; not only would they be stuck with the mess; not only would it keep them too busy to annoy men, but ---
---- they might actually solve the problems!


Yuk that sounds horrible. They would put how many men inside? Homunculus said around 51% of men have committed violent acts on women, I also noticed a study showed 1/4 men get involuntary instinctive erection when showed child porn. a lady I went with for ten years would punch me straight in the face when I upset her, we used to proper fight, but guess who would have gone to jail.

We’d be living on a prison planet if women ruled us, and frankly I don’t know how women are superior when they are so patently dumb about getting real with what the world really is like and is about. Strong men will hit things that annoy or attack them, they often want that kind of man and then complain when they are what they are like - ridiculous. Without that we wouldn’t be here to complain about anything, cos he who lives by the sword doesn’t get their [and their womans and childrens] face eaten off by lions.

Look, if there were somehow only women, then they would have to be like that too, its just what you have to be like to survive.

So I say no to women ruling us, they aren’t more intelligent than me and mostly talk a load of inane drivel all day long.
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Postby mannikin » Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:57 pm

They are ruling over us, and increasingly so. Merkel is an example, and look, she ruined Germany, feminism in politics have ruined Europe..let's see how Marine le pen
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Amorphos wrote:What to do with ‘criminals’, when there are so many and we live in this world?

Recently the police said [it was on ‘question time’ too] there are too many paedophiles ~ including just people who view images of children, for police to have the resources to arrest and imprison them all. No one seems to understand where to draw the lines, any amount of ‘that’ whatever that is, is the same to them. That doesn’t make any sense, for a start there is a line between thinking and doing, looking and acting, then there is the question as to whether or not causal impulses are the fault of individuals. 1 in 35 men the statistics said, so just how many people do you think should be put in jail?

Another show, I saw women saying all men who have ever committed crimes of violence on women, should all be put in jail. What fucking world do these dumb bitches think they are living in, and exactly what proportion of the world populations do they want put in prisons! I’d hate to be their brother/father/husband.
I propose; get rid of all prisons. Replace them with islands where criminals can live peacefully without harming others. Then can plant trees n stuff.

Oh and tell women to shut the fuck up with their poor me shit and general stupidity, and learn to understand what causality is. The world is horrible, men simply exist in that pile of shit.

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Postby humunculus » Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:14 am

Amorphos wrote:Yuk that sounds horrible. They would put how many men inside?

Inside of what? Who said the solution to anything is more prisons?
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Male violence is based upon female expectations and standards unrealistically enforced on men but nobody likes talking about that where it is just easier to blame everything of the world's problems on men only. It's more convenient that way as women like to portray themselves as exceptions to the world's problems instead of admitting the intricate roles they play.

so I said, (as a joke, btw) if that's true, women must be pretty damn smart and might be able to solve the problems men have not been able to solve.
The odds are very much against women trying the same failed strategies that men have been attempting for so long. Odds are, they would lock nobody up, but organize a society where crime is prevented, rather than incited and then punished --- that's the Abrahamian approach.

Homunculus said around 51% of men have committed violent acts on women,

Noooooo. Humunculus, responded "sounds like 49%" to the question "What percent of the population do these dumb bitches want to put in prison?"
About 51% of the population is female. I don't know how many of "these dumb bitches" - whom I have neither seen nor heard - there are, or what percent of all women they represent.
In neither case are they expressing my statistics, convictions or desires.

I also noticed a study showed 1/4 men get involuntary instinctive erection when showed child porn.

And they didn't commit a crime. However, the person showing them child porn is an accessory to the crime of producing child porn.
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Postby Amorphos » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:50 am

And they didn't commit a crime. However, the person showing them child porn is an accessory to the crime of producing child porn.


what the psychologist conducting the experiment?
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Postby humunculus » Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:42 am

Amorphos wrote:
And they didn't commit a crime. However, the person showing them child porn is an accessory to the crime of producing child porn.


what the psychologist conducting the experiment?

Yes.
If real child pornography exists, somebody made it. Making it is both immoral and illegal. So is procuring and distributing it.

If the psychologist was able to produce a facsimile of child porn, without the presence of any children at any stage of the production, and it never leaves the laboratory, he's still contributing to the delinquency - or potential delinquency - of the subjects of the experiment. He has no way of knowing how many of the sample are latent already pedophiles (have not yet acted on it), and how many have the predilection but have not yet discovered it. He has no way of knowing how his research will affect these vulnerable subjects, and how they will later affect the community.
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