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Re: Hellenism

Postby mannikin » Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:23 am

it seems to me that men have always dismissed women's dismissiveness, which allows them to maintain authority over them...which is apart of dominating them into attentiveness
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Re: Hellenism

Postby WendyDarling » Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:44 am

Thanks for arguing my point for me MP. Women are much stronger than they are enslaved to believe.
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Re: Hellenism

Postby AutSider » Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:45 am

Mictlantecuhtli wrote:That's kinda the point, isn't it? No culture or civilization has.

Perceive and enforce what exactly?


Exactly, I agree. The chances of that happening are very slim, but I guess you'd say they are non-existent, right?

I meant perceive the patterns in reality (nature) outside of human social constructs, specifically this cycle:



The key is to figure out how to maintain good times in the long-term, instead of letting good times create weak men, and then weak men fucking it all up , which is the natural way of how things go. If people blindly follow their instincts and emotions then they end up endlessly repeating this cycle whilst remaining clueless of it. Like a caterpillar :



The human ape perpetually going in circles, thinking he's going somewhere, that he is "progressive", going forward, when he's merely blindly following his instincts and surrendering to natural processes of growth and decay. Then when shit hits the fan these same imbeciles will wonder "how did it get so bad", never questioning their initial premises, not realizing how they contributed to it.

Strong men manage to dominate nature and accumulate excess energies (resources) in a society, creating good times. By dominate nature I mean, fight off other societies, and successfully extract energy from the environment. Anyway, when the good times are created because of strong men and strong principles, then and only then can degeneracy set in - liberalism, pacifism, feminism, equality, welfare state - none of these can exist in nature. They are fundamentally parasitic and weak and can only latch on to an already successful host which they then proceed to destroy, they themselves can not become successful. This is why it is so ironic when such degenerate ideologies then claim to be "progressive".

Basically, this natural cycle has to be recognized, and then rules have to be put forward to prevent the system from ever degenerating into liberalism, pacifism, feminism, and all other forms of degeneracy.

But due to reality-inversion I spoke about in my reality-denial thread, a realistic approach to politics will be shunned by the majority precisely because it is realistic - it exposes the masses to a reality they wish to remain ignorant of. They'd much rather be seduced with nice sounding, fantasy words, even if it ultimately spells their doom - "humane", "justice", "equality," love", "peace"...

So yeah I'd agree with you in your pessimism, though instead of pessimism I'd call the same viewpoint realism. Humans will most likely forever keep going through these cycles, oblivious of what's going on. It's all rather pathetic in its predictability when you look at it from an outsider perspective, isn't it?
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Re: Hellenism

Postby AutSider » Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:49 am

WendyDarling wrote:Autsider wrote
Who cares what you prefer? Fishing and conquest (rape, pillage, murder) are not mutually exclusive, by the way.


I care and so may other women. Men who listen and also hear tend to live longer, happier lives.

The broader picture could be that attitude you expressed by typing, "Who care what you prefer?" becoming the antithema of women. Perhaps Amazonian days are upon us since men refuse to cooperate and defer to women in general and have exhibited this tendency since the dawn of Man. Men have dismissed women for a long-assed time and that may be coming to an end where men are now realizing that they are being dismissed in return.


Haha, amazons? Adorable.

My point was that conquerors aren't exactly going to ask you if you prefer being raped, pillaged and murdered, will they? Silly girl, thinking the world revolves around your preferences.
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Re: Hellenism

Postby mannikin » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:08 am

WendyDarling wrote:Thanks for arguing my point for me MP. Women are much stronger than they are enslaved to believe.


Dominating them into attentiveness doesn't mean negating their power as much as you think it does, in fact, it can be quite the opposite where they become incredibly strong and powerful, their modern enslavement is the result of a lack of regulation. Your'e stuck in a world where it's women vs men, you're fighting a lone battle because it doesn't actually exist as much as you think it does...

Enslaved to believe? by whom? Men?

Then in another post you write that men pretty much dismiss women..

So if men are dismissing women and not paying attention to them, and yes it's quite a literal dismissal(judging by all the stats)..then who are all these men enslaving women into believing that they are powerless?

Nobody is doing shit to them, they are free, right.., then be free and powerful as much as you can, so what's stopping you, and them?

ahhh, but it's the nature of the power is what it all comes down to, doesn't it.. where in your mind, women are ONLY powerful in relationship to exceeding men..and if they don't then oooh,.. the oppressive men are keeping you down.. it's the same victimhood mentality everywhere..

you're like this because you are not regulated because you have been conditioned to think any regulation over you is a negative oppressive thing, then when youre free from it you fall into self-deprecation...and if this is not the case, then you must be free and powerful, right...whatever the hell that means?..

you have a problem with reality and your gender in relationship to it...you are disordered..this is why you are attracted to the mannequin, because you can relate to somekind of perceived chaos initially, which are the headlights..then i introduce order slowly, which is the hook.. which relates to need...trixie is attracted for the same reasons....


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I observe from the table tops,
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as my mother's baby cradle rocks....

These are of high places, living kings dwelling up in the walls..

Don't you see them all down there, scoffing on their food, grunting, stinking.. can hardly call it digesting..


You can't even see it! You are a softer version of pandora, yes fucked up, but more inclined to submit....this time period is unfortunate for you, as it is for many others, especially with the feminization of men, will bring an even more worrying level of dismissiveness, but not the negative kind, but a natural indifference, a dissinterest....fools like you think feminization will make the communication smoother..and men and women can finally love each other like they are suppose to, or some stupid bullshit like that..

Are you confused? like that pandora whore who supports all this modern freedom feminzation of men stuff and how women will be powerful and eventually rule, then at same time tells men to man up...

feel free to judge your importance to me on the length on this post....
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Re: Hellenism

Postby WendyDarling » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:59 am

In general, used and dismissed about sums up the relationship men perpetrate against women. I, myself, wish for most men to explore outerspace with all your technology and science, while us women help to heal Mother Nature here. You can explore, conquer, and destroy other worlds for The Glory, for shits and giggles, I don't give a fuck, but transport your shitty, destructive, dreams elsewhere. 80% of men are not needed here, maybe more like 90%. We'll keep the fires of home going while you are away. Happy trails, now beat feet and fly off sooner before you kill us all.
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Re: Hellenism

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:36 am

While I am amused at Satyr's 'mature child' romanticism of Greece, the fact is the origins of Greece are shrouded in mystery. They date back to the time of Abraham, 18th century BCE, or perhaps even earlier, but historians disagree as to where the Greeks came from. They could have been people migrating down from Asia down through Europe and settling in the Greek Isles, or they could have been seafaring people who settled along the coast, Satyr has chosen the seafaring origin, the more romantic version.

While admiring the Greek contributions to civilisation, it is easy to forget what Greek society was really like.

For example, the "Spartan lifestyle". Tough for little seven year old boys, taken from their parents forced to live in military style barracks and subsisting on barely enough to survive, because to be Spartan meant to be tough.

Aristotle argued in his Politics (VII.16) that killing children was essential to the functioning of society. He wrote:

"There must be a law that no imperfect or maimed child shall be brought up. And to avoid an excess in population, some children must be exposed [i.e. thrown on the trash heap or left out in the woods to die]. For a limit must be fixed to the population of the state."

To be fair Aristotle isn't saying "I like killing babies," but he is making a cold, rational calculation: over-population is dangerous; this is the most expedient way to keep it in check.

Then there was the practice of pederasty. Indeed, the sexual initiation of a young boy by an older man was considered the highest form of love and vital part of a boys education.

Plato wrote of this in his Symposium (178C):

"I, for my part, am at a loss to say what greater blessing a man can have in earliest youth than an honorable [older] lover ..."

The Greeks believed or believe that the human being is the centre of all things, even Greek gods were described in human terms. Greeks are men who are lovers of themselves.

This all seems unreasonably harsh? Perhaps, but it is much closer to the truth, than........
To understand the Hellenic spirit from an organic perspective, you must begin with the environment they evolved within: sea faring, fluid, as opposed to moire terrestrial, fixed, enclosed peoples giving rise to more stringent, fixed, memes.
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Re: Hellenism

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:41 am

AutSider wrote:
Mictlantecuhtli wrote:That's kinda the point, isn't it? No culture or civilization has.

Perceive and enforce what exactly?


Exactly, I agree. The chances of that happening are very slim, but I guess you'd say they are non-existent, right?

I meant perceive the patterns in reality (nature) outside of human social constructs, specifically this cycle:



The key is to figure out how to maintain good times in the long-term, instead of letting good times create weak men, and then weak men fucking it all up , which is the natural way of how things go. If people blindly follow their instincts and emotions then they end up endlessly repeating this cycle whilst remaining clueless of it. Like a caterpillar :



The human ape perpetually going in circles, thinking he's going somewhere, that he is "progressive", going forward, when he's merely blindly following his instincts and surrendering to natural processes of growth and decay. Then when shit hits the fan these same imbeciles will wonder "how did it get so bad", never questioning their initial premises, not realizing how they contributed to it.

Strong men manage to dominate nature and accumulate excess energies (resources) in a society, creating good times. By dominate nature I mean, fight off other societies, and successfully extract energy from the environment. Anyway, when the good times are created because of strong men and strong principles, then and only then can degeneracy set in - liberalism, pacifism, feminism, equality, welfare state - none of these can exist in nature. They are fundamentally parasitic and weak and can only latch on to an already successful host which they then proceed to destroy, they themselves can not become successful. This is why it is so ironic when such degenerate ideologies then claim to be "progressive".

Basically, this natural cycle has to be recognized, and then rules have to be put forward to prevent the system from ever degenerating into liberalism, pacifism, feminism, and all other forms of degeneracy.

But due to reality-inversion I spoke about in my reality-denial thread, a realistic approach to politics will be shunned by the majority precisely because it is realistic - it exposes the masses to a reality they wish to remain ignorant of. They'd much rather be seduced with nice sounding, fantasy words, even if it ultimately spells their doom - "humane", "justice", "equality," love", "peace"...

So yeah I'd agree with you in your pessimism, though instead of pessimism I'd call the same viewpoint realism. Humans will most likely forever keep going through these cycles, oblivious of what's going on. It's all rather pathetic in its predictability when you look at it from an outsider perspective, isn't it?



And yet the so called strong men also become manipulated time and time again throughout history.

More like cynical pessimistic realism.
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Re: Hellenism

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:49 am

WendyDarling wrote:In general, used and dismissed about sums up the relationship men perpetrate against women. I, myself, wish for most men to explore outerspace with all your technology and science, while us women help to heal Mother Nature here. You can explore, conquer, and destroy other worlds for The Glory, for shits and giggles, I don't give a fuck, but transport your shitty, destructive, dreams elsewhere. 80% of men are not needed here, maybe more like 90%. We'll keep the fires of home going while you are away. Happy trails, now beat feet and fly off sooner before you kill us all.

Except that in this world where sexual stratification has been defacto abolished there is little difference anymore between the roles of men and women where women exist much like men now. There is no feminine nurturing taking place. Femininity has been deemed sexist and outlandish under the progressivist ideological struggle.

Where are all the female rebels at? No, women conform under the same system of men where there is no female dominated rebellion against the status quo taking place.
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Re: Hellenism

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:03 am

WD wrote:
In general, used and dismissed about sums up the relationship men perpetrate against women. I, myself, wish for most men to explore outerspace with all your technology and science, while us women help to heal Mother Nature here. You can explore, conquer, and destroy other worlds for The Glory, for shits and giggles, I don't give a fuck, but transport your shitty, destructive, dreams elsewhere. 80% of men are not needed here, maybe more like 90%. We'll keep the fires of home going while you are away. Happy trails, now beat feet and fly off sooner before you kill us all.


Geez.......

a world of women only, what a nightmare that would be for women who have no desire to be part of the 'sisterhood'.

What you are proposing only creates an imbalance.
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Re: Hellenism

Postby WendyDarling » Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:07 am

Where did I write a world without men? It would be a nice change to walk down any street at any time of the day or night and not have to be on guard. Are you vigilante of your safety SM?

What we have is an imbalance.
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Re: Hellenism

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:10 am

We'll keep the fires of home going while you are away


I may be naive and am missing your point, but ......

there is in my understanding of what you write an undertone of to put it mildly, dislike of men, or perhaps fear of men.
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Re: Hellenism

Postby WendyDarling » Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:16 am

Are you not reading entire posts or only cherry picking what you quote knowing full well that it is incomplete? "We" as in those women and men who do not drink the Star Trek kool-aide. If you'd prefer to explore, you can go with them, but you will be raped to death.
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Re: Hellenism

Postby WendyDarling » Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:18 am

If you regard men as safe, I have many places for you to walk down alone where your only fear will stem from men. Do you deny this danger?
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Re: Hellenism

Postby A Shieldmaiden » Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:58 am

Actually my thoughts about you and men, did not include rape, but perhaps they should have?

Your comments purvey, to me generally, you have a dislike or fear or whatever it may be, as I don't know or will never know the full extent of your history and men.

There does seem to be a distrust, (is probably a more accurate description) and with this usually comes a chequered history.

Deny the danger of a 'stranger'. No, but I usually drive not walk at night. Believe it or not but rape is usually perpetrated by someone who is known to the victim.
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Re: Hellenism

Postby WendyDarling » Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:53 am

Then you won't have to drive or walk very far, will you? But as a woman, if you ever get rear ended by another car at night, don't stop to discuss the accident, carjackings perpetrated by men happen that way. You don't seem to be in a question answering mood ever, so I'm going to stop engaging you in a realistic way for that honesty seems to be out of your comfort zone. I know you believe a woman on the street, stranger danger, is the same as with men.
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Re: Hellenism

Postby WendyDarling » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:03 am

Mictlantecuhtli wrote:
WendyDarling wrote:In general, used and dismissed about sums up the relationship men perpetrate against women. I, myself, wish for most men to explore outerspace with all your technology and science, while us women help to heal Mother Nature here. You can explore, conquer, and destroy other worlds for The Glory, for shits and giggles, I don't give a fuck, but transport your shitty, destructive, dreams elsewhere. 80% of men are not needed here, maybe more like 90%. We'll keep the fires of home going while you are away. Happy trails, now beat feet and fly off sooner before you kill us all.

Except that in this world where sexual stratification has been defacto abolished there is little difference anymore between the roles of men and women where women exist much like men now. There is no feminine nurturing taking place. Femininity has been deemed sexist and outlandish under the progressivist ideological struggle.

Where are all the female rebels at? No, women conform under the same system of men where there is no female dominated rebellion against the status quo taking place.


Yet.
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Re: Hellenism

Postby AutSider » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:09 pm

If only all men would just leave the planet and if the remaining males became effeminate little boys so that Wendy would not feel threatened.





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Re: Hellenism

Postby WendyDarling » Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:01 am

Stop your bitching Autsider. To protect a woman from abuse or death at the hands of any male, I'd fuck bitchy assholes up.
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Re: Hellenism

Postby AutSider » Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:07 pm

WendyDarling wrote:Stop your bitching Autsider. To protect a woman from abuse or death at the hands of any male, I'd fuck bitchy assholes up.


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Silly girl, if anything conquerors are more merciful to women they conquer than they are to men they conquer. So why are you constantly mentioning women only?

Did you like the pictures of your "Mother Nature"?
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Re: Hellenism

Postby AutSider » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:01 pm

Mictlantecuhtli wrote:And yet the so called strong men also become manipulated time and time again throughout history.


Sometimes. I'd say mostly the strong begin to reduce in quality and quantity to the point that control of society shifts to the weak, who then proceed to destroy it (unwittingly or not).
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Re: Hellenism

Postby Magnus Anderson » Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:50 pm

Strong does not mean absolutely strong. Given sufficient external pressure, and presently there is plenty of it, even the strongest can be weakened and manipulated.

Which is one of the reasons why individualism is short-sighted.
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Re: Hellenism

Postby WendyDarling » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:37 pm

Did you like the pictures of your "Mother Nature"?


What does such a stupid question even mean? I respect Mother Nature, unlike most men and women.

When I see a coastal town swept away by an ocean, I think what dumb man founded that town so close to an ocean?

Animals eat other animals to survive.

What is that child you so carelessly posted suffering from?
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Re: Hellenism

Postby AutSider » Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:21 pm

WendyDarling wrote:When I see a coastal town swept away by an ocean, I think what dumb man founded that town so close to an ocean?


When I hear of a woman getting raped, I think what dumb woman would dare to walk the streets dressed in anything that isn't this:

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I'd add some obligatory goggles to cover the eyes too.

Or maybe you shouldn't victim blame? Maybe "Mother Nature" should restrain her urges to kill people who build their towns close to oceans? Whatever you decide, remember to stay consistent.

Animals eat other animals to survive.


I wanna tear your gut open so your intestines fall out, and then eat you alive. Hey, don't complain - we're both animals, and animals eat other animals to survive... it's "Mother Nature".

What is that child you so carelessly posted suffering from?


It is suffering from "Mother Nature".
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Re: Hellenism

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:28 pm

Did Wendy break up with Joker or something? She seems to be going off the rails with her misandry lately.

I guess that explains why Wendy never joined or signed up on my internet boards. Guess the amount of real friends I have on these boards is about 0.
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