James S Saint wrote:Globalization shall certainly fail. The reason is that there is no deep-hearted longing for it nor traumatic threat of it not existing. One, if not both, is absolutely required for its survival.
Globalization has been an economic and humanitarian boon to the world. It's reduced war, increased living standards, increased technological development and global output significantly. For the significant portion of the world's people who have benefited from globalization (which admittedly doesn't include the working classes in wealthy nations), globalization is absolutely longed for as a path out of suffering.
And for everyone, it not existing absolutely presents a traumatic threat, in the form of the levels of interstate violence that existed before it. Nationalism, trade protectionism, us-vs-them mentality, all threaten to renew global warfare in the place of globalization.
Finally, the nation as a source of identity has been weakening for decades, and we have every reason to think that will continue. Communities are frequently no longer local and no longer territorial bound. People increasingly question why a person born ten miles away across an imaginary line, but with whom they interact every day online, should be subject to different laws, different standards, different opportunities.
It is the nation that is no longer longed-for, and whose absence no longer represents a traumatic threat.
James S Saint wrote:The EU is in a similar situation. It is conspicuously contrived, grasping the coat tails of Globalization and attempting extortion to ensure its fantasy, using technological surveillance as its security...Unlike the USA, the EU has no soul - a Frankenstein of its time and just another failed attempt of Man to supplant God (aka. the fundamental Principle by which all things exist and are maintained).
This comparison is a little ridiculous. The US was not immediately a coherent whole, it coalesced by necessity against outside threats, and it still divided against itself in civil war not a hundred years after its founding. It was kept together only through the violent suppression of an attempted secession. It is still deeply divided, and its future unity isn't at all assured.
And if the US is a young nation, the EU is still in its infancy. Its benefits for its constituent countries has been significant, and we have many good reasons to believe that leaving the EU will be disastrous for the UK (the fact of the matter remains to be seen, assuming Britain actually manages to complete the process). But turmoil in the early years of a federation is to be expected, local customs need time to adapt, language needs time to shift. Give it at least a generation or two before you pronounce it unworkable.
James S Saint wrote:Britain is another story .. not all together altruistic, but certainly founded in deep-hearted resolve. True Britain's will persevere beyond the contrivances of modern technologically surveilled Man. Regardless of any voting, commandments, rebellions, or justifications, in the long run, the British shall not bow to the EU.
The UK is pretty likely to split up as a result of Brexit, and some part of it is pretty likely to rejoin the EU. So both in terms of its deep-hearted resolve, and in terms of bowing to the EU, there's good reason to doubt your claim. Fortunately, it will be tested soon enough.
MagsJ wrote:Have you heard of GOTV?
Get Out The Vote? How is that relevant? Voting can be encourage through deception, as many suggest it was for Brexit. Simply convincing someone to vote does not increase their value as a voter or their ability to accurately predict the implication of a major change in the world order.
Nor does failing to convince someone to vote tell us anything about how that person feels (again, maybe indifferent, maybe uncertain, maybe blase).
How is this responsive to Michael Jackson's points? Am I misunderstanding what GOTV stands for?