Yes, this thread was inevitable at some point in time.
First off, he says that he is anti establishment yet surrounding himself with the likes of Goldman Sachs accolades doesn’t leave me very enthusiastic.
He seems very close to Israel and Benjamin Netanyahu but with his entire family being Jewish along with all his business holdings in Israel this is not surprising. He’s just another religiously delusional Christian Zionist. I wonder how much zionism can we expect from him under his administration moving an entire embassy to Jerusalem. Will we hear anything from him articulating the horrors of being a Palestinian in Gaza or Palestine? Probably not.
Will we hear anything from him about illegal Israeli settlements? Once again, probably not.
While his economic goals are admirable I’m getting the feeling that it is too late to actually implement anything to make the economic situation of the United States any better especially after the democrats have essentially destroyed or squandered it.
If the United States economically implodes, how is he going to manage that? Curious people want to know.
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Yes, this thread was inevitable at some point in time.
First off, he says that he is anti establishment yet surrounding himself with the likes of Goldman Sachs accolades doesn’t leave me very enthusiastic.
He seems very close to Israel and Benjamin Netanyahu but with his entire family being Jewish along with all his business holdings in Israel this is not surprising. He’s just another religiously delusional Christian Zionist. I wonder how much zionism can we expect from him under his administration moving an entire embassy to Jerusalem. Will we hear anything from him articulating the horrors of being a Palestinian in Gaza or Palestine? Probably not.
Will we hear anything from him about illegal Israeli settlements? Once again, probably not.
While his economic goals are admirable I’m getting the feeling that it is too late to actually implement anything to make the economic situation of the United States any better especially after the democrats have essentially destroyed or squandered it.
K: so show me the evidence that democrats have “essentially destroyed or squandered”
the economic situation in the U.S…
M: If the United States economically implodes, how is he going to manage that? Curious people want to know.
K: Herr Trumpf actions will be the same as Hoover and for the same reasons…
and we saw how well that turned out…
Interestingly enough before Hoover got in office the democrats once again destroyed the economy before he got in but other than that point I understand what you mean.
K: ummmm, of the 4 presidents before Hoover, you have Taft, Wilson, Harding and Coolidge
and only Wilson was a democrat and that was years before 1929, so you have as the presidents
during the 1920’s being republicans, that being Harding and Coolidge and you came up
with the Democrats destroying the economy HOW, exactly?
Exactly. Democracy is on the way out because Capital is again in crisis. NWO was the last ditch effort to save capital by expansion of world markets. Trumpism is an illusion, it works reversely, by creating the idea that NWO is only attainable by democratic means. In fact Trumpism gives new energy to invasive application of force, by executive orders, and who better to do that then an imperium, justified on the coat tails of resentment by the reversely discriminated WASP?
This was done so ingeniously, as to be almost faultless, and Obama , in fact, could have been the John the Baptist to Trumpism. He built up edifices, knowingly, to prepare for this coming, it may all have been theatrics, meant to fail. I do not buy for a second the idea that the Republicans and Democrats do not work a single ideological construction, because the unity of political process far outweighs the differences. It has been a long way coming, and any Democrat would know ahead of time, what failure of Capital would mean. It is not exactly a deceptive practice, but ideology is more smoke and mirrors than real ontological engagement of opposites. The System super imposes upon both parties certain inalienable ideas, Constitutionally Valid, and having no need of justification. That Democracy and Capital are not compatible beyond the limits of traditional guild manufacture, for the reasons Marx gave, is becoming a prophetic notion, in retrospect.
So the dilemma is profound, and in this view it
appears that Trumpism was a useful way to bring out the reactionary groups who have always felt themselves slighted and undermined by the notion of an equal rights, classless society.
The failure of Obama,who again was elected to give the impression of human rights of classless dignity, at a time of a great chaotic international near-depression, to show the world that yes,the American way of life can be used as an international model, -prepared the world for the social-psychological bridge with which to connect the idea of Capitalism with Democracy, knowing well that such a bridge is untenable, and the connective link will be shifted to where it belongs toward the confusing left, while the
RIght has replaced the perception, the illusion with ideology.
So no surprises here, and the Electoral College was meant to over-ride popular vote.
It can be done, and it has been done. Remember how Florida, the key state in Bush Jr.'s win, went for Bush in that critical moment? Internal politics is a manipulation, and as such, Trump is not the one who is building it, he is merely a puppet in the techno-building of the national and international agenda.
However, there is a justification, in the absence of any other ideology, caused by the ideological vacuum created by the collapse of Marxism. Marxism has a checkered past, and it isn’t that it has not proved to be prophetic relative to certain essential concepts, but failed to measure up to the theater of absurd which Capitalism has managed to propagate world wide.
Yes Jerkey, there is lots of problems with capitalism and what we seen around the world today is capitalism devouring itself which was probably the only thing Marx effectively predicted however Marxist solution to capitalism via socialism or cultural Marxism is not all that much better.
I would argue that state controlled democracy isn’t authentic democracy to begin with.
I also wonder if this whole political facade was preplanned and organized. The problem with the global elite is that they preplan things decades in advance. Until a Trump administration abolishes the Federal Reserve or central banks I just don’t know how to take them seriously.
Your theorizing is decent, but there little reason to think the divides between left and right are illusory or subject to an even deeper agreement, unless you’re talking about the unspoken or rarely invoked ‘agreement’ that both sides still have common interests when the stakes are high enough, and that indeed all are Americans.
Left and Right are indeed part of a larger system that is the composite effect of both, and more specifically you have left and right because of the functional split regarding the daemonic (excessive and mutually contradictory) nature of society, in particular a society as massive and complex as ours. The political split of left and right mirrors the hemispheric split in the brain, and the all-or-nothing way in which the mind makes a decision within neural networks that process all incoming data in compex patterns and then synthesize an output, but are required that the output is self-consistent and unitary enough o be useful (namely cannot just be reduced to a supposed dialectical synthesis of opposing elements, contrary to Marx).
“Capital” isn’t monolithic, and it helps to disregard a lot of the neo-Marxism of people like Hardt and Negri, which like Marx himself can be useful to elaborate certain structural dynamics of the system but ultimately is devoid of real values and pushes an inhuman, anti-reality agenda.
Capitalism is under crisis because everywhere capitalism is disappearing. Massive government regulation and bureaucracy stifle real capitalism, which is based on and requires legally instantiated limited government and a local emphasis of politics, since economics is fundamentally local and the emergent effect of individuals. Capitalism requires a constitutional division of powers, recognition of inalienable human rights and the social value of individual self-responsibility. Basically it requires the absence of fascism and absence of fiat of force. The only laws that are justified vis a vis capitalism are those which use force to prevent force, such as laws againt theft and fraud.
Global neoliberal-neoconservative capitalism isn’t true capitalism, it is literally the perversion by inversion of capitalism: inversion because of how the emphasis on individual rights is flipped in favor of group and corporate rights, and because of how the emphasis on locality of economy and politics is flipped in favor of emphasis on national and international scales of action. “Bottom up” has been replaced by “top down”, which is antithetical not just to capitalism but also to life.
Obama failed on his own terms, he wasn’t qualified or prepared to be President. His ideology fueled by the likes of Bill Ayres and Jeremiah Wright among others shows that he wasn’t here to do a good job, but to push an ideological agenda that tries to also work with the internationalist and fake capitalists toward commonly Marxist goals (such as destroying individual freedoms in favor of “group identity politics”, instantiating iron-clad political correctness, and inverting locality of the political economic in favor of a national-international political economic super-force unaccountable to the people living under it.
Trump is more like a religiously phenomenon. His followers are caught in a very emotional movement, which isn’t to say that they don’t make many very good points and arguments, ones that other politicians and the neocon/neolibs or the “new leftism” aren’t making. Trump’s main problem is that he is endlessly hyperbolic and enjoys hurting other people, such as how he singled people out to attack personally on so many occasions. This isn’t just theatrical tactics to win an election, he really seems to enjoy doing it. But while that is deplorable it isn’t all bad, it just depends on the context and degree of it, and to what ends it is put.
The electoral college is highly rational and ensures that the tyranny of the majority doesn’t take over, basically it prevents California and New York from essentially ruling the entire country.
State your reasons for believing this.
Again, we don’t really have much real capitalism left. We have a perversion and inversion of capitalism disguised as capitalism.
I know people around here don’t know any history because
if you did you would know that we in Amerika, tried pure capitalism
from about 1870 to 1910, give or take a few years, and it was rejected soundly
by the citizens of this country by the beginning of the first World War…
the cost of this pure capitalism scared Amerika so much that we entered
what is referred to as the progressive age who principle architect was
Teddy Roosevelt, president from 1901 to 1908… we began many of the
“liberal” programs and laws that we have today, including the
child labor laws, 40 hour work week, overtime rules, the forerunner of
work place safety laws and other such things…
if you are at wondering how a “pure” capitalism works, I suggest
you look at America’s history from the end of the civil war to the start
of World war 1…
Wyld: the reasons I stake out the claim that political manipulation is a fact is based on my watching the count as they came in in Florida, on the eve of Bush Jr.'s win. It was very odd, and if one didn’t watch the machine counter carefully, he’d miss it. The win went to the other guy, but in an instant it reversed and showed a Bush win. Ted Bush was the governor, and it was obvious what happened. Such mistakes don’t happen so obviously, but this one could not be denied, it was so flagrantly obvious.
Kropotkin:
There has never ever been a ‘pure Capitalis’, ever, since government regulation and buracracy has always shadowed laissez faire. But then , there never ever was a pure socialism either.
I know that voting machines can be rigged, and have been. But I was asking about this you said, “he is merely a puppet in the techno-building of the national and international agenda.”. What are your reasons/evidence for believing this?
Also you didn’t address the rest of what I wrote to you.
The sheeple have become idiocy to the point of no return.
All 5 political parties are insane. Democrat, Republican, Libertard, Green, and they have a 5th one called “Transcendental Meditation” which believes"Transcendental Meditation" can save the world.
