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(Yes Kwest, I read all the links in this thread)
I’ve posted both my dead fear of what the CIA has been doing under Obama, becoming a political arm of the Democrati, Party, and not of the American Republic. During the 20th century, from it’s inception till Nixon, the FBI was a rogue institution, collecting information on every politician in the country to blackmail them. Nixon’s downfall with his political espionage can reasonably be linked to this sudden void in politics, unable to reach out to the FBI to do it’s dirty work. I really don’t think Nixon was any worst than his immediate predecessors, just got caught because suddenly the FBI wasn’t any longer doing the dirty work for them.
Under Obama, it is the CIA going rogue. It’s started behaving like the Roman Praetorians, thinking it could play a part in selecting the next executive power. Obviously, this is scary bad. It constantly claimed to have hacking info, then bucked the request it constitutionally couldn’t reject, that of congressional oversight, and a order by Congress to be briefed on the Intel. Prior to this request, the FBI wasn’t in agreement, nor our other intelligence institutions, but now magically after this long delay, they all agree Russia did some hacking, and we undoubtedly launched somenasty malware attacks on Russian servers for providing info to Wikileaks… Wikileaks adamently rejects it was Russia who hacked the DNC. Obama Rushes troops to standoff positions at the same time in the Baltics, even though the president elect has vowed a demilitarization of hostilities, preceding diplomacy and a try at friendship and shared interests instead.
My advice prior on this site was for Trump to liquidate the top tier of the CIA for even playing along, and substantially change it. It became a internal political power, instead of a foreign intelligence gathering institute, launching clandestine operations overseas, not on us, the American people, through smoke and mirrors. CIA isn’t trustworthy as a political entity, everything it does is suspect, especially when it’s leader is hell bent to wound and destroy his successor.
I’m happy to see Trump and his generals wised up, and are aiming to put down this rebellious agency before it can dream of a coup. My preference to Julian Assange is still a bullet to the head, but it looks like he is fast tracking towards a pardon. Julian caused a lot of damage internationally, millions are dead due to his indiscretions, with no sign of remorse or even a change of ethics. But if Obama was serious about this leak, he would of gone after him and his ringleaders as well as Russia. He didn’t. It’s clear this is just a vindictive ploy against Trump to inspire xenophobic Americans, many who still have bad feeling over the cold war, to oppose him on irrational grounds. This is similar to China getting it’s population wild over a stupid, strategically useless seabase in the Spartleys, pure distraction to solve problems of a completely different order internally. For Obama, it’s the destruction of Trump, through the CIA, instead of via open politics, through Congress or direct appeal to the people.
So the CIA as we know it is done for. Such a institution can’t continue to exist in a republic. Coincidentally, Wikileaks has put pressure on the internal destruction by the Obama Administration for destroying records. Legally, CIA has to destroy redundant records not put into cold storage (they literally have mountains outside DC full of documents) just like the military, so that gives a little bit of legal wiggle room.
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We’ve also seen a Democratic staffer linked in wikileaks assassinated, wikileaks has a rewardfor that info as well.
This is the sort of shit third world nations do to themselves, that Obama and his mania has introduced to out nation. CIA is literally the tip of our spear, nothing militarily happens without them thinking it through, digesting it. That was Marcuse’s design. He eventually turned against the machine he created.
It’s now several generations later, and we see the institution in full moral decay. It can’t be structured like the FBI in automatically searching out threats, kidnapping foreigners, torturing or bribing, etc without presidential leadership, and military as well as civilian influence as well as feedback from it. That would be absurd, lead to WW3 instantly. It gas to be under the Commander in Chief, by default… I can’t imagine another form of structure for it, I’ve honestly have tried, open to novel suggestions, just- it’s the ultimate presidential fief.
I like it’s advisory role to Congress… like it even better when it fucking shows up to brief when called forth to do so. I’m always worried it might pull a Iran Contra situation, so it suddenly recoiling and becoming secretive just cause the president says sorry me. I’m not sure how you fix that. Honestly? What good would installing a beefed up ethics panel in a institution of trained liars who excel at stealth and underhanded secrecy?
A obvious constitution resort would be the courts, given the balance of powers between the branches of government. CIA’s activities aren’t completely outside of the courts, but they can’t be expected to perform these duties of being a check and balance from a distance. Maybe if we added a few traveling circuit judge seats JUST FOR the CIA, DIA, FBI, CID, given rank +1 over anyone when acting in a capacity of office, minus the right to control troops in combat… just roaming. They can be requested to investigate, act like Tribunes in the Roman Republic, they find something foul, like this Russia case, they can obstruct it locally, telling individuals to stop and comply.
This would take a constitutional amendment. They would need a small task force capable of going up against a CIA or DIA that’s gone rogue, to lash them back to the constitutional yoke, to collect evidence for a impeachment or federal court. Like I said, FBI got away with it for decades. It’s a obvious area of weakness.
Further beyond this, how should we restructure the CIA? Trump has hinted he wants more field operatives, less office workers. Is he talking about literally forcing desk people out into the field? That’s gonna cost some equipment, and we will loose traditional Intel processing and review. If he is thinking if just downsizing the CIA smdesk staff, and direct recruiting a new breed of field agent, he us gonna have to lean heavily on the military, which isn’t unreasonable, given his emphasis on military leaders in his cabinet counterbalanced with top capitalists, both are ideological open to veterans coming over to fill the ranks. This will make the CIA even more warlike, which I think Marcus’s would shit himself silly over. We did have groups like ISIS back then, all genocidal. People forget how bloody and insane the cold war could get, where any guerilla group could expect arms from the West, Russia, China without much concern for ethical or competent use, just so long as they sorta lined up ideology, or at least promised to kill those who didn’t.
A part of me if for the militarization if the CIA beyond what it already is, but if we do this, chop the desk people, a lot of Intel would gave to be processed by the Pentagon and NSA on levels it wasn’t before, and despite Trump’s rhetoric for a strong military, Pentagon is certainly facing a downsizing. This means capacity it gonna be humstrug, as well as foreign missions, such as goodwill missions training random military or police. It’s gonna shutter a lot of old fashion Intel, forcing us to rely on electronic surveillance at the very moment were cutting desk jobs that do just that.
Likewise, as rotten as the CIA has become, and the absolute need to decimate it’s politically oriented crust, the Catch 22 is they are the ones who know how the CIA works best. I’m not talking of just removing it’s civilian figurehead, but a few ranks of upper management as well that cooperated with Obama’s coup attempts against Trump. They hold generational experience. A lot of middle ranks will suddenly be promoted to the top while new guys from the military join to fill some open roles, but a lot of the lower management types will be left without much oversight, given the middle management themselves just got promoted, and have to oversee a department completely reorienting how it is going to operate, more out in the field, something many won’t be used to.
This can lead to growing pains in a era of international terrorism. That’s bad. However, Obama’s scary stunts make it a absolute priority the CIA is cleared of any mischief. They are no longer a American institution, but a party institution, and need substantially wiped clear of any and all bad apples that have cooperated with this dangerous and deeply unamerican behavior. There is no room for that sort of insanity, it never ever should of cooperated with Obama on this. Whatever order they were given, it was certainly a unethical one, most likely unlawful too, against the traditions and expectations of the American people.
