In my defense of Kropotkin threat, I offered a challenge and here,
I make it formal…
Defend the system of capitalism and defend conservativism.
I have one multiple occasions defended liberalism (and have been insulted and attacked
for it) now who is brave enough to defend conservatism and capitalism?
I made a list of those who will attempt it but they are by their own admission,
mentally ill, so will one of you not so challenged, try to answer my challenge…
You can even pick one or the other, defend conservatism or defend capitalism…
I seriously doubt anyone here is man enough to accept my challenge…
now I have made this challenge before and no one has ever accepted,
but I am not surprised because conservatism/capitalism is
not defensible but you supporters of conservatism/ capitalism
are more then ready to attack liberalism but you cannot even defend
the alternative…
Instead of demanding other people answer at your beck and call, why don’t you let us know what system is better and defend that? “Liberalism” means nothing concrete and is the perfect vessel for the typical shifting of the goalposts.
Full Disclosure: I haven’t read your ‘defense of liberalism’ which sounds like it would be a circle jerk of “muh feelz”, just like every other.
You aren’t offering a challenge, you are trying to set yourself up for another rub out.
Everyone here is on his mentally ill list, so nobody is available to debate him on this site, or any site, because only Kropotkin is sane, and everyone else is insane.
Personally, I’d say capitalism is deeply flawed (not invalid) and socialism within the realm of validity ONLY when combined with nationalism (but would still need some major ‘work’ to be sustainable and would require absolutely homogeneous societies and still requiring at the very least very strict social regulation) or in terms of tribalism, however, I think that’s a whole different thing.
I think Trump’s plans for more nukes shows he is a forward thinking individual, able to arrive at a honest assessment of the future potential of humanity based on facts derived from current events and historic trends, and doesn’t waste time worrying about triffles such as capitalism or socialism.
When you let any group into power over all the rest things get fucked over time.
There really is no such thing as virtuous, wise, or ethical leadership.
Until people have the ability to rule themselves nothing changes and things will only get dramatically worse overtime concerning destructive behaviors.
Agreed, which was my thought regarding sustainability, and it applies equally to both. I think it can be achieved, but don’t think there’s any legitimate precedent for it that we can look to.
I would agree in a broad sense. Predators are at the top of the food chain. Though as with the above, I think its achievable but we have failed miserably thus far.
Ability or opportunity? If we are talking opportunity (Anarchy of some sort), as we are now, I believe it will cause just as much death, destruction and suffering as imposing the aforementioned requirements for socialism or capitalism. If we are talking ability, I can’t think of any situation where this could be sufficiently developed. If we use the opportunity of anarchy to create the ability, then it is no less ideological than capitalism or socialism from our current standpoint. That isn’t to negate the possibility that this is the best course of action but I believe that if some major shift will happen, it won’t matter what it is, it will be as equally as murderous and destructive, only the outcomes will differ.
That happens all the fucking time here, and you are never to be found in threads like that. Go find Ecmandu or something; he loves this “I dare anybody to face me in open combat (in a discussion thread on the internet)!” circus.
Always nice to see a party-line Democrat admitting that he’s the sworn enemy of capitalism, though. Can’t get enough of that. If only more of you would come clean, maybe we could flip New York.
I’ve made you look like a complete fool on this precise subject on multiple occaisions. The end result is, you stop posting for a couple months, then come back and declare that nobody has ever faced you on the subject before. Remember when I reminded you that Fox donates more to the DNC than to the GOP? Remember when you pathetically insisted that all conservatives were religious and you can’t have conservatism without belief in God? Remember when Trump won the election? You are defeated on here constantly. Your grandstanding of “Nobody can face me!!!”" when everybody here knows you’re a clown that has been humiliated over and over just demonstrates that you’ll never accept reality, so what’s the point in debating you? You’ll just call everybody racist, stop replying, then come back in March like it never happened and insist ‘liberalism’ remains uncontested.
The only solution I see is civilization destroying itself before it destroys the entire planet killing all humans as well. With that people could rule themselves once again. The pessimist in me however would say this will never happen where our species is on a collision course of total annihilation.
Human beings can’t handle centralized total power. History shows this time and time again. There will never ever be a pure conscientious class of human beings that can wield it impartially. Never going to happen.
I would say both ability and opportunity. The world has never been a perfect place and utopia is unachievable but with that being said under an anarchist existence humanity’s destructive tendencies were limited along with being regulated by nature itself. Within government centralized civilization there is no limiting or regulating force.
Well, he hasn’t offered a criticism yet. He wants to goad somebody into writing pages and pages of ‘defense’ so he can pick it apart with three sentences and declare victory. Cause you know that’s what will happen. Somebody will write 10 pages of ‘defense of conservatism’, PK will quote it and reply with “This just shows how irrational conservatives are” and that will be the end of the conversation. So why not beat him to the punch?
“Conservatism is Fucking Awesome. The End.”
There. In the absence of a criticism, I have successfully defended conservatism.
