Go to a café without ordering any drink, is it evil?

Last week, I visited a Starbucks near my home. What motivated me to go there is because I want to finish the reading of a book, and that cafe provides a comfortable armchair and some easy-listening background music, as well as a large indoor space, all of which I do not have at home.

So I went there, sat in an armchair and start reading the book, but after a while, an anxiety arises in my mind:
One voice tells me that I should at least order something because if I don’t, then I ‘m ‘stealing’ from Starbucks since our capitalist society functions by consumerism and I ‘m using their chair, space, light and background music without paying them anything back.

Another voice tells me I don’t need to order anything, because when I entered the shop and sat down, the shop assistant did not walk to me to ask me to order a drink. And also, I drink tea but not coffee, and a cup of coffee is expensive to me.

In the end, I could not bear those two conflicting thoughts arguing in my head and I want to make my mind focus on the reading of my book, so walked to the counter and ordered a coffee, after I made my order, those two thoughts disappeared and I can focus on my reading again.

The question is : If a person go to a café to read a book (or to use the ‘free’ wifi ) without buying anything, then is that person doing something evil? If it is evil, then does a shop assistant in that café has a duty or a right to expel that person from the café?

Evil? No. Discourteous, yes. It has nothing to do with capitalism or very little to do with it. Mostly courtesy, the employees can’t get paid if product is not purchased. To use but, not pay denies others. It is rude and selfish not evil. Evil would be destroying the place and causing deliberate harm.

It’s all a simulation. It’s what it’s there for.

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Don’t be surprised if they ask you to leave on a future visit. Even when homeless, I would still order a tea. Yes, they sell tea. Only time I wouldn’t was a Starbucks that would close at night, I would sit outside using it’s wifi.

If the action is malicious, knowing it goes against good Eoconomia, only then can it be considered a evil. Killing or wounding in true ignorance of the situation is accidental, because for whatever comedy of errors, you really didn’t know in advance. Starbucks runs it’s facilities on the basis that one if it’s primary core consumer base starts off as poor students who can’t afford much, and this builds up later on to dedicated middle class consumers during other hours.

The chairs, wifi, take as shit yuppie music, it is all aimed at attracting a kind of crowd, but they are willing to wiggle a bit. Consider buying that tea (green tea is the best) as part of your payment, and annoy your spot. You can stay literally for hours in front of a screen, they are set up for that. This is creating a symbiotic relationship, and even if your not a big spender, others will see your example and follow. Obviously, if everyone did that, it would cripple Starbucks’ business plan, but that can accommodate some per location, and even exploit it.

Your selectively breeding Starbucks as much as they are you. It is a give or take, that’s an simple analysis of good oeconomia. If you appreciate it, and use it enough to consider things like this, make it the best. It has needs for survival too.

Your resort to the language of “capitalism” and “evil” is just a not so clever way of wiggling out if it morally. You already know it is wrong by your own logic. Your hoping we confirm otherwise.

If you buy from a farmer a produce you know he can’t possibly make a profit from via some loophole, you do that farmer no good, and if taken far enough by enough people, it will force him to change his ways, denying you, or going out of business. Your suggestion of capitalism and a term unfairly tinged as theological (and we live in a idiot era where anything theological is disposable) “evil” gives you leeway out of playing along. That your completely right and justified. Yet you also know it is wrong. It is because the paracitical motivations intimately will unravel the good institution we have as a society, leaving the greater world impoverished. You know starbucks as a corporation thrives on money. You do too, so as long as you care for your destinies to continue to entangle, I suggest merging interests if you enjoy the little fake ass world they built for you.

This is why it is a good for a just society to castrate guys like Mr. Reasonable, and have them upside down swinging in damp, dark castle pits as water drips on them from above. Pure paracites aren’t nobles or free, they are the most enslaved to any system, like rats trapped on a sinking ship. They survive only by weakening the integrity of the Oeconomia. Justice is mankind collectively taking a sledge hammer to their heads. It is something every judge should consider, as it is the very essence of good jurisprudence.

I can vouch for that, there is a Coffee Bean, where, prior to taking out the wi fi , a sort of good boys club started to congregate daily, not consuming anything, even to the point of these deadbeats unwilling togive up their seats for bona fide customers. The end result of liberal operation almost caused the owners Bankruptsy. They are doing fine minus the will wife, with a lot less non paying customers taking up space.

I eat my starbucks, I drink my starbucks, do not hang me upside down I am a good slave.

I’d say it depends on how often you go to that particular starbucks and DO buy something. There is a place in town I will go to just to use the bathroom on a hike or pick up a soda or just sit down for a few minutes, but I don’t feel bad about it in the least because I eat there like three times a week. Even if you are using the place just as a warm room anda chair and never buy anything, I’d say ‘evil’ is a strong word. But of course the store is well within their rights to ask you to leave.

Tables and free wifi are for paying customers only. If you think that’s evil capitalism, then open up your own socialist coffee shop and just let everyone mooch of you for free and let me know how that goes.

Capitalists built your roads, your schools, funded the research into the medicines that may save your life someday. They’re behind the weapons and the companies that keep you safe and living in a part of the world where what you worry about can be whether or not you’re exercising good manners in a starbucks. You should be thanking them for what they’ve done to extend the average lifespan and alleviate the pain of disease.

You ever done any of those things? I doubt it. Yet you have the nerve to call the people who have “evil”, all while using their shit without paying.

No, no, I do not want another ideological warfare but I don’t accept your charge. Capitalists did not build my road, those poor migrant workers built it, Capitalists did not build my school, it is build by construction workers and paid by the government; capitalists did not make my medicine, the medicine is researched and made by researchers…

Let’s me quote great English philosopher Bertrand Russell’s words

If you are truely reasonable, then you should know the difference between them.

You think that stuff would have gotten done if no one was funding it? You think the community at large would just get together and say, “hey, let’s all pitch in and pave the roads of America”? Some people are just better than others and so most people have to be told what to do. Left to their own devices, the average human doesn’t live as long as when economic motivations spurn advancements in medicine, they don’t live as well unless someone practically forces them to.

No, my friend, I did not say that. What I have just said is that capitalists did not do the actual field work needed to build the road, working men and women build it. of course, building roads requires funds, but it does not necessary mean that those funds has to come from a capitalists, it can come from a government, and it can come from donations.

Building roads needs engineers and people who are good at managing, but it does not necessarily means that a capitalists have a right to make super amount of money out of it. We all have different talents, some are good at managing while others have more physical strength, we are different people, but it does not mean there should develop a absurd income gap and social standing gap among them. All men are created equal therefore men should be respected as equals.

Is this the absurd lengths your going to formulate a excuse for being a complete douchebag and not buying a coffee, despite using the premise?

Do you also not tip waitresses cause they get paid a wage no matter what, and don’t report their tips on their taxes?

There may have some culture differences involved:

Let me clarify: in your town, on the moment you enter a restaurants and coffee house in your town, will the barista give you a greeting and ask you to take an order? Is Starbucks in your town doing the same thing?

As I have said, there may be some cultural differences involved. Do you tip the waitresses every time ?

Yes, but more if they make a good effort. In America, we cut their pay well below subsistence, they rely on tips, however foul the reasoning, that is how we do it, and everyone knows to just fucking tip. I can’t afford the pizzamen to deliver, so I walk a mile to get my pizza on $7.99 night, and walk a mile back with it from Papa Johns.

Now stop making bad excuses.

Yes, intentional freeloading is evil. It prevents others from accomplishing their life’s needs by being over burdened with the load and resource drain of others. Intentional freeloading is the intentional lack of love, in fact, a form of hatred, often used to destroy an adversary via “passive aggression”. It really isn’t much different than stealing or slipping a little poison in someone’s coffee while they aren’t watching.

“Support that which supports you” … else you eventually end up without support (“what goes around comes around”).

I never tip, because I hate them. The only tip I ever give them is 2 cents to insult them.

I view Starbucks, Meijer, Kroger, CVS, etc. as invasive biological organizations.
These megacorps just buy out and run out independent local businesses, infecting the city like a plague.
I don’t owe them shit. I’d rather use my food stamps to boost local home grown businesses.

Capitalism is evil.

Mr. Reasonable isn’t really a capatalist, he is an anarchist. Anarchy = small local businesses and small family run stores.
Mr. reasonable doesn’t even follow the rules, pay taxes or believe america’s rules are worth following, he is a resident contrarian who argues just to argue.

I’m not on food stamps, how is it as a computer programmer is? Only time I’ve been on it was when I couldn’t scavenge enough for myself. Second I get a first paycheck, I’m off it. I worked most of a year homeless NOT on food stamps.

I think society should just cut you off completely Trixie, and dump you off a plane in the middle of Nevada with a survival kit, and put up warning signs in a 500 mile radius not to help you out. You need to learn a reasonable more of self sufficiency. You waste money on makeup and internet, despite having wasteful internet. Out into the desert, learn to ride the worms.