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Re: The Post Election Hangover: A World At Odds

Postby CelineK » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:20 pm

what is not good for iran is NOT good for us ultimately. that so many people do not see the goal of any war games because of their pride/ego/nationalism, is beyond me,. Paying taxes to get killed. Alloooo!!?

Pandora wrote:Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn on AlJazeera, discussing Middle East issues. He kept running in circles around Iran, so I don't think he's going to be good for Iran if appointed as National Security Adviser.
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Re: The Post Election Hangover: A World At Odds

Postby barbarianhorde » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:34 pm

Whats bad for Iran is to give them 150 billion to make nukes because they write down they wont make nukes...HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAsso funny how you got assraped.

Now its going to be funnier how Iran gets it.


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Re: The Post Election Hangover: A World At Odds

Postby CelineK » Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:14 pm

lets see who gets as*raped here... WHO decides that some countries may acquire nuclear arsenal and others not??? Got it: the so-called rich countries deep into debts (the West) and threatened with some derivaties-neutron-bombs (almost 1 quadrillion worth) that will eventually destroy the wealth of their citizens??? ... the same so-called rich countries pouring BILLIONS into AI weaponry financed by their taxpayers 8-[

not seeing whole picture and having a poor knowledge in economics will have a price. The price for seeking being ruled. Power is just a delusion.

barbarianhorde wrote:Whats bad for Iran is to give them 150 billion to make nukes because they write down they wont make nukes...HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAsso funny how you got assraped.

Now its going to be funnier how Iran gets it.


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Re: The Post Election Hangover: A World At Odds

Postby The Golden Turd » Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:21 am

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Umm, No Pandora, he is actually on the right track, and he us showing some rudimentary parallels to my theory of The Progressive Navigation of Conflict, it is design to eventually replace the system we used during the Iraq War to the present, he just had difficulties eludicating it, he is undoubtedly a military expert, but didn't set out as a philosopher studying systems like I did outside the military.

Basically, if you go back to the Bush Administrations military and foreign policy, it was based on Statistical Syllogistic Curves that sought to equate the "presumed" operational capacity of a combined arms military in determining policy upon which that force could be projected upon. It was never explained that simply, I just did so. The range of your capacity to react are your options, this is a direct descendant if Powell's Force Multipliers in military and foreign policy contexts. The DIA was the chief intelligence collector for these schemes, they had to provide a wide variety of strategies for campaigns in advance to a president on a moments notice, it is ultimately the presidents' choice, not his, he merely chooses the best, and it is a time honored American tradition for the Commander in Chief to select the most bizarre mismash among ideas, combine elements together and say "Hey, I Got This" like Obama did in Syria with training the Free Syrian Army half assed, sending it out piecemeal to get slaughtered, then saying "I gave it a shot, didn't think it would work". No shit, main fault lays with the president, not the guts who designed the synergistic system below.

In his era (and ours) you still operate under the concept of "balance of power" as the guiding principle for figuring out who are potentially your friends and who is not. The most efficient pattern for "The Friend of My Enemy is my Enemy, The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend" is a checker board.

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That is the most efficient pattern for that concept. We got close to that at the height if the cold war with Soviet and US bases checking one another across the planet, that is the era of Henry Kissinger, so don't scoff at it Hillary supporters, she wanted to pull him out if retirement for it. That's basically Chanakya's Rajamandala if anyone is interested in a classical exposition in the theory.

He is pointing out random acts of violence on a checker field is ultimately meaningless, it is a purely negative act, while it does short term allow for a a weakening of a opponent, it also allows your allies to encroach upon your enemy, and Eve tually everyone gobbled that enemy up. With no enemy in that spot, the checkerboard magically resets all it's colors, and your former allies will half turn enemy, while former enemies turn friends. That's the insanity the aljazeera correspondent was trying to get at by saying "look, US us mad and chaotic and isn't making sense in it's alliances" when this general is in the awkward position of having to explain the balance of power next to never operates off of group feeling alone, and oftentimes states will side with pariahs just to keep the balance of power safely on their side, tolerating a detestible enemy. Syria did it with Israel prior to Israeli independence, they hated Jews but loved the check it offered to Jordan, a more realistic threat.

It is the DIA's job to present these options, and some personality types are more attracted to the scheme of it. When he was asking "where is the Free Syria Army, Where is Al Nursa" he was getting at this. US ironically has almost always been on the verge if backing Al Nursa in Idlib (remember those helmets in your Syrian documentary Al Nursa captured (didn't know how to adjust, or have the parts to, had we given it them, they would of been shown), compare those helmets to the brand used in Haitian Prisons for guards, they pop up in many allied countries, they jacked it from our allied supply line).

Basically, in the system we used then (and now) you want to form a popular front, get enough if those black squares together so they have critical mass, while supporting a peaceful rear that requires less man power, has training facilities, a tax base, and basic industrial and service capacity.

DIA and CIA was desperately searching it out in Syria early on, we vacillated because while some militias fought somewhat reasonably close to the basic rules of warfare, a state by all means closely related to the placement if a natural ally would do some crazy shit, like car bomb, raoe, sometimes even cannibalism..... a merely 20 minute drive away.

Why? Oh, you can spend days debating the why, I assure you, the Majors and Generals did. Can you fix it in some cases? Yep. In others, fucking nope. This causes the board to reshuffle, and some of those squares become other than black and white.

That's the fucking magic of that system.

What he is pointing out is, the force- any act of violence has to make sense within a larger strategic construct, you can't just randomly pick to bomb all white squares (I know some who say do just that), and selecting categories of justification based on aerial justice like Clinton resurrected from the older said strategy of the British empire is deeply fucking absurd, I came out against this a few times on this forum. If you bomb, it is for the sake of removing your primary threats while congealing the strategic position of the faction you back vs others.

Classical idea, Byzantines and late Western Romans had that idea, Flavius Aetius is well known for doing it.

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If you recall, Liz had asked a question about ISIS, and I created a very long, multi page following of the early days if the ISIS War, culled from middle eastern and western news sites, I didn't want to outright state my idea back then was to pit sides against one another, cause I didn't want that idea to get out, but provided a link to that above work, saying it worked very well in that region historically. That's what he was researching, and the end result was the "Euphrates Volcano" movement, around the universal nucleas of the Free Syrian Army. It was working, Obama fucked it up, cause he isn't a strategic thinker. For all his reading of Mao, for his ability to plan a campaign and backstab his opponents, he completely lacks strategic scope in military affairs. This is horrifying, because under the logic if the old system, a Free Syrian Army embedded into Euphrates Volcano with external Logistical Support and US Air Power could of very quickly collapsed ISIS and Assad under even a minimally competent commander. Obama was our worst enemy, my only conclusion. Complete piece of shit, time and time again he gets going, than falls to shit on the slightest rouse played on him, war could of been over two years ago. He is a magnificent incompetent.

Under the principles of the Progressive Navigation of Conflict, the aim of all force is controlled, only aimed at investment in a path towards enlarging your capacity to counter attack your opponents and absorb them in the fastest, least expensive and efficient manner. This doesn't always mean Shock and Awe, it could just be a Akido misdirection or a Judo Throw, but the goal is to avoid the endless Riposte of axiomatic presumptions on if they deserve it or not, and focus more on getting them aligned into a larger, more practical and meaningful system. Remember, we are driven to pariakity and hate by group feeling, but will betray our closest kin for the smallest advantage. This is not a hinderence to peace, but rather, a nexus to navigate, and it is often fairly simple to do so, and once started, the cascade tends to swollow up the checkerboard rather fast, though per the rule if the Hairy Ball Theorum, there will always be contrary activity somewhere that simply won't align. This isn't a byproduct of geography but if mentally balanced symmetry, success breeds resentment, and someone always feels jealous or entitled to have it all as well. Mongol Empire started as a gay lovers feud, ended up in a continental pursuit, all chasing this one tribe, don't underestimate it.

Unfortunately, Iran is that state, and they are desperately trying to right the balance of power, to their advantafe if power to their advantage. Hence supporting Yemen, Shia in Bahrain, in Tadjikistan, in Syria, in Lebanon, and Drawling Russia in. Problem is, Russia is more of a grey state because of Turkey and Egypt. Turkey and Egypt is worth far more to Russia than Iran ever can, as Iran is heading into China's orbit, and both states despise Iran.

So, the balance of power ends up with the US internationally trying to restrain the Sunni Axis into a restrained detente while encouraging them not to become nuclear powers, while Iran is desperate to find nukes and use it to offset the Sunni-Shia 10-1 Ratio.

If that happens, the balance of power shifts from the US to Israel, who has nukes (look up the Third Temple Scenario, as well as a few documentaries debating if they ever managed a H Bomb, some cooperation with Apartheid South Africa and tests in the Pacific and Indian Oceans). If they do it, either the US proliferates nukes (not happening) or Pakistan or Israel does, Israel has the most to gain in terms of Sunni Proliferation and leading joint preventive strikes on Iran. This will cause Iran to overwhelm the straights in the Persian Gulf, push on Bahrain, push into Saudi Arabia through Iraq (and possibly Kuwait, how will US troops react?)

I promise you, Riyahd ceases to exist, the Iranians have non nuclear ability for that location, they will thrust hard for Mecca and Medina.

The general wasn't at liberty to discuss US reactions to such a very probable scenario. Needless to say, unless Iran destroyed Jordan, Sinai, Cairo, and really fucked up Turkey and Pakistan very early on,it eoukd go bad fast.

This indicates that if Israel strikes before the swearing in of Trump, it will only occur when the highway between Turkey and Iran gets shut down in some random dispute (happens, all trade stops). If it happens afterwards,it would less obvioys,abd we woukd hear of Strikes in Syria and Russia scrabling fighters before we would hear of Iran blowing up.

Is Iran rebuilding nukes? Yeah,in Syria. I was down river last time Israel blew up that facility,up and running again. Geberal merely is sticking to Napoleon's Maxim not too reveal too much of his Art of War to his opponents. I don't know why everyone insists on war strategies veing kaid out in advance like Hilkary's fucking plan for Aleppo- she killed Aleppo, Russians moved immeduately to avoid that possibility. She was a fucking idiot.

To anwser the intentionally confusing questions that dipshit reporter asked earky on, political Islam versus theological, Islam started off as a political theology first, hence the Constitution of Medina.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Medina

It later became a theological caste system, and after Muhammad's death, the expansion out of the Hijaz wasn't always based on the Koran, but rather strategic and political ideals. The caliphate, while Theocratic, isn't inherently Islamic, in terms of Koran Only, and non-caliphate Islamic societies aren't necessarily discredited as being Islamic. States rise and fall, in the manner Ibn Khaldun described, it isn't surprising non-islamic polities clash with Islamic, that alliances are made between them (Muhammad did exactly this in Medina) and that Non-Iskamic enemy states and even allies and vassals could have legitimate sociopolitical beefs with a Islamic State while not caring necessarily to challenge the theological imperatives of Islam or the concept of the Islamic community. This reporter was intentionally being vague and rude in his ignorance, dancing around non-controversal facts. If we said no, Islam was completely unified politically and theologically, it makes a heretic out if Muhammad, because his own acts hardly followed a caliphante apology for the marriage of both, Islam always played both sides when it suited it's leaders, starting with Muhammad.

And yes, As I've pointed out many times here, chemical weapons we're in Uraw, and even plans for a nuclear bomb found in Iskandariya.

All in all, after seeing g this interview, I mostly cringed for the Generals inability to respond to aggressive questions in a clear and practiced manner. He isn't a philosopher though, and not used to debate in such a manner. He let the adrenaline rush get to him. However, he seems remarkably enlightened, more so than most generals and colonels I've seen, and he does possess the basic elements already in play of The Progressive Navigation of Conflict (a lot more to the theory than what I described). I back him as he is a studied individual, rejected Obama's policies, owns up to his past and sees a path to reform. Based on this interview alone, I endorse him. I strongly recommend staying away from the podium. I'm glad Trump took a liking to him. Says a lot about how Trump thinks.

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Euphrates Volcano
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Re: The Post Election Hangover: A World At Odds

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Re: The Post Election Hangover: A World At Odds

Postby surreptitious57 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:59 am

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They are accusing Trump supporters as carrying out violent racist motivated attacks across the nation but without the slightest evidence or examples

I have seen no evidence of this only the complete opposite. In the country of the First Amendment you can get assaulted simply for saying that you support Trump
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Re: The Post Election Hangover: A World At Odds

Postby The Golden Turd » Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:44 am

There have been reports of racists supposedly acting in the name of Trump spray painting cars and churches with swatzikas and Trunp's name, but I'm skeptical in regards to this. Not to say there aren't a lot of swatzikas carved into bathroom stalls across the nation, but I really don't think they represent the number of actual social nationalists out there, rather just bored fucks on the shutter trying to piss one another off in anomity. KKK does like it's creepy fucking cross burnings on yards, and Neo Nazis like marching in their panzyass uniforms, but they aren't really well known for tagging with spray paint. When you see a swatzika in a alley, it us usually just a bored teen with a spray can, not evidence that there is a secret closested order of neo-nazis in the neighborhood.

But soon as Trump wins, instantly poops up on black churches, cars in black neighborhoods.... And media soaking it all up into a hysteria. I'm doubting the KKK has abandoned it's arsonist flair and has embarked on a tagging campaign. A further key indicator it isn't them, is that the words tend to be correctly spelled in these tags. Clearly liberals doing this to distract.

Now if I see a video of David Duke on YouTube passing out spray paint, telling his men to knock it off with the white hoods, the focus is now tagging churches and vehicles from now on in the middle if the night, I will be willing to admit I'm wrong, but my suspicion is it is just liberals doing this, and that the Neo Nazis continue on doing their stupid shit like before, and the klan has as well, and that nothing of note is really occurring right now, other than some radicals on the left are attacking perceived trump supporters.

I live in one if the mist Pro-Trump areas of the country, and can't always admit I voted Trump, some people just automatically assume everyone around that they talk to is a liberal, and how scared how racist the country suddenly us, that democracy and progress has died, etc. I half the time just shut it and stare in silence not knowing what to say. I look around- did shit suddenly change? Seens alot like it was two months ago, save for the temperature and falken leaves. I dont see anyone persecuted. Only organized non government forces around are the Shriners, VFW, and American Legion... God forbid if they join forces and start riding around in those little cars, shooting blanks out of M1s. I don't know where this army of oppression is supposed to rise up from, or who is being targeted by it here.
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Re: The Post Election Hangover: A World At Odds

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:09 am

Donald Trump has won the election but the political opposition funded by international billionaires, corporations, lobbyists, military industrial complex, and international mainstream media plan on creating social insurrection of discontent within retaliation. Should be a fun next four years.

Then there is that possible coup d'etat by Jill Stein (Clinton sponsored) with the electoral college by mid December. Very nice.
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Postby Kriswest » Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:44 am

Some decades back a similar thing was done with the post election time. Damned if I can remember the details though.
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Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:33 pm

Kriswest wrote:Some decades back a similar thing was done with the post election time. Damned if I can remember the details though.


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I sometimes send him the most bizarre rants on his website, shit I hope gives him a anorism. He literally asks for it.
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Re: The Post Election Hangover: A World At Odds

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Fri Dec 09, 2016 6:36 pm

Gary Cohn from GoldmanSachs Donald Trump? Are you fucking serious? :lol:

I thought you said drain the swamp not inundate it.

Then there is also Steve Mnuchin from GoldmanSachs also. Looking a lot like a GoldmanSachs cabinet to me. Then we hear about his political flirting with the likes of Jamie Dimon another corrupt banking CEO.

If we hear anything from the likes of say somebody like Lloyd Blankfein then we definitely know where this presidency is going.
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Re: The Post Election Hangover: A World At Odds

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:08 pm

You ever play raptor call of the shadows?

In the game, the world is ran by competiting corporations, mega corps vs oil tycoons.

Trump works for one 1 faction of the corps trying to defeat the other corps.
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Re: The Post Election Hangover: A World At Odds

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:00 am

Riddle me this: Why would the United States government along with several media corporate conglomerates presently enact internet censorship legislation, overseeing, and private/public media platform blockades that Donald Trump in office more than likely would overturn? Answer: Because they don't assume he will get into office upon knowledge in advance. These emerging entities coming out of the woodwork know something.....

With knowledge of electoral college members swaying their votes away from Trump and his political opposition talking about a big surprise weeks from now I think there is a possible political coup de'tat in the making. I could be incorrect as this is just a guess of mine but if this assumption of mine is correct this would be a highly coordinated and organized political coup of the United States. My gut and instinct upon current events tells me something foul is afoot within the shadows.

....Or.....it's all just bullshit, we'll see.
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Re: The Post Election Hangover: A World At Odds

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:28 am

Now the patterns are becoming all the more clear with the C.I.A. under Obama's administration having this publicly undisclosed magical evidence of Donald Trump being aided by the Russians during the 2016 presidential debate. Clearly both Obama and Clinton are behind this.

What patterns specifically you ask?



We have electoral college members coming out and saying they won't vote the particular way of their own state majority voting constituents in support of Trump. Now we have a completely fictional crafted bogus backstory of Russians helping Trump win the election by the C.I.A. It really isn't hard putting the two together. Allow me to put it all together in greater perspective as this is my future prediction, a bunch of electoral members either through bribery, coercion, or being previously planted are going to vote against Donald Trump on December 19th and simultaneously in the background a deceptively crafted narrative of Donald Trump being aided by the Russians will be aired everywhere so when this intervention of American state democracy takes place the justification will be that we can't allow a Russian agent to become the next head of state. The electoral college members in the media will be uplifted as national heroes fighting the Russian menace and the country will be told to suck it up. Undoubtedly angry conservative Trump supporters will then be brandished as Russian enemy agents or puppets but just in case they collectively get uppity with the shadowy political establishment a system of both internet and media censorship under direct total control is being put into place to silence them. The political backlash, fury, and dissent of such a scenario will not be televised or uploaded online with a hand over the internet shutdown button. If said dissenting conservatives become violent in rebellion it will only reaffirm the carefully crafted fictional infiltrating Russian national menace narrative put into place.

Welcome to 3-D chess of tyranny, subversion, and propaganda American style. This is the big surprise I think Donald Trump's political opposition have planned for him weeks from now.

If this happens this will be the greatest political coup de'tat pulled off in broad daylight ever.



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Re: The Post Election Hangover: A World At Odds

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:51 am

One more thing to add, they'll say they discovered electronic voting tampering in collusion with the Jill Stein voter recount. It's obvious she was working with Obama and Clinton from the start. It would have to be cleverly fabricated to leave no doubt concerning the general public that Russian meddling had occurred in the election.
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Re: The Post Election Hangover: A World At Odds

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:48 am



Former CIA operative Robert Baer appeared on CNN Saturday, and called for a review of the election amid news that Russia intervened with the goal of helping Donald Trump win. “It looks like to me, the Russians did interfere in our elections,” Baer said.

On Friday, U.S. intelligence revealed with “high confidence” that Moscow interfered with the election via hackers who obtained private emails form both Republicans and Democrats. While Baer said that we’ll “never be able to decide whether they changed the outcome” of the election, he did stress the importance of considering an election re-do.

“Having worked in the CIA, if we had been caught interfering in European elections, or Asian elections or anywhere in the world, those countries would call for new elections, and any democracy would,” he said.

Trump’s team was quick to dismiss any notion of foreign interference in a statement released Friday, in which they called those calling for an investigation “the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction."

Baer doesn't see it that way, and thinks that the electoral college should have full disclosure regarding Russian interference before the 19th, when they're scheduled to cast their votes.

“I don't know how it would work constitutionally, I'm not a lawyer, but I'm deeply disturbed by the fact that the Russians interfered, and I would like to see the evidence,” Baer said. “If the evidence is there, I don’t see any other way than to vote again as an American citizen.”


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Re: The Post Election Hangover: A World At Odds

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:58 am

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Re: The Post Election Hangover: A World At Odds

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:04 am

Despite the long-shot odds, there is a campaign to flip 37 or more Republican electors away from Donald Trump, which would bring him below the 270 needed to win and send the election to the House of Representatives. This effort is being spearheaded mainly by a group of Democratic electors, who would support the effort by voting for a Republican alternative to Trump, thus being faithless to Hillary Clinton in the process. Those leading this process are attempting to agree on a person who, with 37+ Republican electoral votes plus some number of Democratic electoral votes, would be positioned as an acceptable alternative for consideration by the Republican-controlled House.



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Re: The Post Election Hangover: A World At Odds

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Re: The Post Election Hangover: A World At Odds

Postby Kriswest » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:47 am

Ok so why is Trump and what's his name that Trump is putting in as representative, being friendly with Putin a bad thing? Sounds like a good diplomatic move. Should they hate and fear the dude? Do they want war ? Diplomacy works better than fists. I would say such successful business people are better diplomats and negotiators then a politician.
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Re: The Post Election Hangover: A World At Odds

Postby Mictlantecuhtli » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:07 pm

The C.I.A. is preparing a Russian influence of elections evidence review for electoral college members by the 19th. I definitely called this days ago.
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