Anarchism Versus Communism And Marxism.

Mictlantecuhtli · October 16, 2016, 11:51pm

In 1919 the anarchists played a significant role in the May 4th Movement which swept the country. It was at this time that the first Bolsheviks started organising in China and began contacting anarchist groups for aid and support. The anarchists, mistaking the Bolsheviks for allies & unaware of how the Bolsheviks had subordinated the Soviets to their party apparatus, helped them set up communist study groups – many of which were originally majority anarchist – and introduced the Bolsheviks into the Chinese labor and student movements. As Arif Dirlik states: “Anarchists also played a part in the founding of the first Bolshevik groups in China which would culminate in the founding of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) in 1921, gradually to overshadow the anarchists, and to marginalize them in Chinese radicalism.” (Arif Dirlik in “Anarchism and Syndicalism in the Colonial and Postcolonial World, 1870-1940 (Studies in Global Social History)”. More can be found in Dirlik’s “Anarchism in the Chinese Revolution” pages 199-206)

A minority of anarchists, mostly from the Paris group, had been involved in the Kuomintang almost from its founding; but the majority of anarchists, in keeping with their stated principles against involvement in the exercise of coercive authority, had declined to participate in this alliance. The “Diligent Work-Frugal Study” program was one product of this collaboration of the anarchists with nationalists. When the Kuomintang purged the CPC from its ranks in 1927, the small minority of anarchists who had long participated in it urged their younger comrades to join the movement and utilize the Nationalist movement as a vehicle to defeat the Communists and realise anarchism. This drew immediate opposition from those anarchist groups that were still functioning. But even those critical of this opportunism, however, eventually joined in – if only because doing so seemed to be the only remaining chance to make their movement relevant again and reclaim its lost momentum.

The result of this last collaboration was Li Shizeng’s creation in 1927 of National Labor University (Laodong Daxue) in Shanghai, which was intended to be a domestic version of the Paris groups educational program and sought to create a new generation of Labor Intellectuals who would finally overcome the gap between “those who work with their hands” and “those who work with their minds.” The university functioned for few years before the Nationalist government decided the project was too subversive to allow it to continue and pulled funding.

It had been acceptable for the anarchists to use government funding to promote anarchism as long as they did so in France, but when they began to do so at home, their “allies” were less than pleased. When the KMT initiated a second wave of repression against the few remaining mass movements, anarchists left the organization en masse and were forced underground as hostilities between the KMT and CPC – both of whom were hostile towards anti-authoritarians – escalated.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_in_China

Mictlantecuhtli · October 17, 2016, 1:14am

Yes, everybody here knows you don’t like facts or discussing them.

Mictlantecuhtli · October 17, 2016, 1:16am

A stage?

Mr_Reasonable · October 17, 2016, 4:59am

Joker look back at your posts in this thread. You really haven’t started a discussion or made any kind of point, or offered any insight, you’ve just linked to stuff that every college freshman has already read.

Mictlantecuhtli · October 17, 2016, 5:41am

I’ve made my point with the thread utilizing historical facts. You taking the side of Peter Kropotkin is a new low even for you but not surprising at all.

Mictlantecuhtli · October 17, 2016, 7:20am

Excerpts from the Spanish Civil War and how communists sabotaged anarchist movements there.

Here is what Krivitsky had to say about the activities of the GPU in Spain, the decision to establish it having been taken at an emergency conference in Moscow on September 14th. “The GPU had its own special prisons. Its units carried out assassinations and kidnappings. It killed in hidden dungeons and made flying raids. The Ministry of Justice had no authority over the GPU. It was a power before which even some of the highest officers in the Cabellero government trembled. The Soviet Union seemed to have a grip on loyalist Spain, as if it was already a Soviet possession”. (In Stalin’s Secret Service p. 102)

The aim was to eliminate revolutionaries. Anybody who dared to speak out against what they were doing could be the next to suffer. Nin, the leader of the POUM, was murdered by the GPU as was Camillo Berneri, an Italian anarchist who was critical of the CNT leadership. He published a paper, Guerra di Classe, which argued for a revolutionary war against fascism. He was murdered by so called ‘socialists’ for his principled revolutionary position. In July 1937 60 members of the CNT `disappeared’, a term used then as now for those killed by the secret police, though today it applies to the dictatorships of Latin America.

english.illinois.edu/maps/scw/anarchist.htm

It was the May Days in Barcelona in 1937 that effectively marked the end of the anarchist social revolution in Spain. Factories and services under anarchist inspired workers’ self-management were attacked by Republican and Communist forces while they did battle with the anarchist militias, and several prominent anarchists were murdered, including Camillo Berneri and the Libertarian Youth leader, Alfredo Martinez. The CNT leadership negotiated a truce with the Republican government rather than engage in a “civil war” within the civil war. Hundreds of anarchists were killed in the fighting, and many more were imprisoned. The Socialists and Communists, unsuccessful in having the CNT declared illegal, forced them out of the government and continued their campaign of “decollectivization” and disarmament of the anarchist groups.

Given this disastrous turn of events, Abad de Santillán had second thoughts about the CNT’s policy of collaboration. By April 1937, he had already ceased being a member of the Catalonian cabinet. The following year he denounced those “anarchists” who had used their positions within the movement “as a springboard to defect to the other side where the pickings are easier and the thorns less sharp,” obtaining “high positions of political and economic privilege.” The CNT-FAI’s participation “in political power,” which he had also once “thought advisable due to circumstances, in light of the war,” had demonstrated “yet again what Kropotkin once said of the parliamentary socialists: ‘You mean to conquer the State, but the State will end up conquering you’”

robertgraham.wordpress.com/2015 … 1936-1939/

Mr_Reasonable · October 17, 2016, 9:32am

No one’s taking sides dumbass. I’m saying that you just posting a bunch of excerpts from websites is not the same thing as having a discussion. You’re like a kid making a collage. Now…can you tell us what it means to you?

Mictlantecuhtli · October 17, 2016, 9:54am

You’re a bore. You offer nothing to the world or this site in intellectual discourse. Stick with talking about drugs or pussy. You’re good at that.

If you two knuckleheads can’t see the direction or message of this thread concerning the greater picture being conveyed I will not waste my time with either of you.

Mr_Reasonable · October 18, 2016, 12:18am

We just want to know what you think about the stuff that you copied and pasted. Why wont you tell us?

Mictlantecuhtli · October 18, 2016, 6:27am

Did you or Peter even read the first post of this thread before deciding to throw shit all over it?

I didn’t think so…

Mictlantecuhtli · January 22, 2017, 10:06am

The Cuban communist revolution is another example of Marxists and communists betraying anarchists by then going after them violently afterwards. Ironically it was guerrilla anarchist fighters that helped Castro overthrow the Batista Cuban government. What was his gratitude towards the Cuban anarchists afterwards? Imprisonment, exile, and execution.

Exhibit A. - Fidel Castro

Mictlantecuhtli · January 22, 2017, 10:16am

When will fucking anarchists around the world finally understand that Marxists and communists are not their friends or allies?! You can’t trust or work with the fuckers!

If you’re a self proclaimed or described anarchist that says they’re a Marxist and communist you’re a fucking moron. If you’re a self proclaimed anarchist that says they’re for Marxism or communism you’re a fucking moron.

If you’re a self proclaimed anarchist that thinks you can somehow make an alliance with Marxists and communists you’re a fucking moron. Any questions?

Mictlantecuhtli · January 22, 2017, 10:25am

Mictlantecuhtli · January 22, 2017, 11:04am

The history of anarchism interacting with Marxists and communists can be roughly summed up as this:

Anarchists and communists unite to overthrow oppressors.
Anarchists/communists come to power.
Communists seize power and begin shooting or imprisoning anarchists.
Cycle repeats.

Once again, fuck all Marxists and communists! There can be no anarchism or autonomy when Marxists and communists are involved. Marxism and communism is the antithesis of anarchism.

And nowadays if you’re a heterosexual white (European) male anarchist just forget about it…

Mictlantecuhtli · January 22, 2017, 11:11am

CelineK · January 22, 2017, 11:12am

I support any form of full fledged DEcentralization

Anything that is not voluntary is dooming society further

are Merlin and HAHAHA related?

Mictlantecuhtli · January 22, 2017, 11:16am

Merlin is my new username. It’s my whole turn a new leaf it’s the new year thing…

Mictlantecuhtli · January 22, 2017, 11:39am

Differences between anarchists and communists.

You’ll notice studying history anarchists believe in free-assembly which means if you have a preference for your own identity, culture, or race if you want to assemble a society and territory somewhere independently go right ahead. It’s whatever you want to do because there is no centralized authority ruling over you to tell you what to do.(What you can and can’t do.) A Marxist and communist don’t believe in free-assembly and automatically would call such a thing racist or counter revolutionary.

Mictlantecuhtli · January 22, 2017, 11:50am

Differences between anarchists and communists.

Marxists and communists are all about international globalist movements. That’s because at heart they are globalists. Anarchists are not internationalist or globalist. We’re instead localists or regionalists.

The rest of the world doesn’t concern us and we do not wish to rule over it. We just want individual self autonomy and independence being left alone by the rest of the world to live as we see fit uncontrolled. We do not feel the need to be world or global dictators.

With Marxists and communists there is no individual autonomy but instead only the collective. With them there is no regionalism or localism but instead only globalism.

For them there is only the party or ideology to spread around the world and dictate to everybody.

111 · February 3, 2017, 3:34am

Merlin:

Differences between anarchists and communists.

Marxists and communists are all about international globalist movements. That’s because at heart they are globalists. Anarchists are not internationalist or globalist. We’re instead localists or regionalists.

The rest of the world doesn’t concern us and we do not wish to rule over it. We just want individual self autonomy and independence being left alone by the rest of the world to live as we see fit uncontrolled. We do not feel the need to be world or global dictators.

With Marxists and communists there is no individual autonomy but instead only the collective. With them there is no regionalism or localism but instead only globalism.

For them there is only the party or ideology to spread around the world and dictate to everybody.

The history annals of the Anarchist movement often forget to include Krupna Akvasnaya Gyevochka, the sole daughter of Lermontov’s third set of house servants’ illegitimate child.

Akvasnaya Gyevochka grew up in abject poverty, and she started, in retaliation, a knitting club in her early twenties.

The Anarchist-socialist-capitalist faction of the Whites could not stand for this, and they imprisoned Akvasnaya Dyevotchka, along with her sister module Kupka Smoldienskaya Voyvodna. The two started a prison riot; first with hunger striking, then with over eating, culminating in a series of educational seminars held in Cell Block 9 under the auspisces of the Boston Baptists’ Choir’s “Overeaters Anonymous” subversion.

Meanwhile, the Greens decapitated Kolhoznov tavarishch uchit’elnyica, and replaced her head with the new infanticide policies of Neu-Bamberg’s court appointed physician, Dr. Mikhail Nyezsnyinski Ulyanov.

This displeased to a great extent Lenin, who at this point was in Poland, trying desparately to drum up some insipid international support for his men’s drumming and humming group. Many muzhiks at this point in Russia still were unable to hum, and under the leadership of master educator and -pedagogue, the demagogue Hortwitzmund Kretyakov, a national campaing started in which the Pan-Russian central committee’s central intelligence declared war on inability to hum. “Just do it”, was the slogan of Kat’ya Kuzmakovna Cmepk, a one-time German prostitute, who served under Bismarck, under Helmut Stronheimer, under Feodor Korsakovski, under Winston Churchill and the West Rutherford Fireman’s Brigade, for the latter of which she got several Medals of Honour, diagnosed as syphillitic leisons under her armpits.

Russian revolutionary anarchist movement was still in its infancy, back in 1845, when a young Belgian mortar-mixer in Kaliningrad invented the semi-automatic repeating dobbermanns. These vicious battle-raised chicken could take on an army and die without even one surviving.

To give an approximative superconductor value to tie these to world events:

Kronsovita Tsupka won the “first machinist woman” award in the same year that Edison invented the gunpowder;
Nikita Sergeyevich Kopeko single-handedly killed 134,390,959.03 Ukrainians when Bamberger flew solo across the Atlantic, from New York to Paris, non-stop.
The Russki’s space expert, Vladimir Uzbenek Rosszalkodo, sent already fifty-five austronauts into space, most of whom returned, with only a few dissidenten who took the opportunity presented being in space, and asked asylum on Alpha Centauri. Two Russian astronauts were redepprted into Russia. Glenn Shostakowitch Shuustakov, Uljabenski’s right hand man, who, after twenty-eight days of enduring non-stop torture from the hands of the authorities, was settled in a dairy farm as a seedling cow. Yosip Bungashvili, the world-famous feahterweight fighter, was given a sentence of 231 years of forced community service. Boulanger Boulanger Boulanger the third was given a conditional sentence. “If you do it again, then you will be in trouble”, was the conditional sentence. No sense, nonsense, but nevertheless millions of times more intelligent than the gents in tsar’s winter garten palace where the annual Helicon ball was held, inaugurating the court iguanas.

I could still go on, because I realized some hidden treasures in the deeply folded creases of the fabric of Wiki, but I’m worried now, that I may be branded an idiot for straight copy-and-pasting pure fiction from the depths of my slurping mind onto paper and pent.