In Sight of SAM, I Am

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Re: In Sight of SAM, I Am

Postby James S Saint » Tue Aug 12, 2014 6:58 pm

You still seem to be presuming too much. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that a man who studies history so much has his mind stuck in it. What part of "new advent", do you fail to understand? I cannot say that it is "this..." or "that..." by category name. SAM is none of the historical icon models with which you could compare it and predict it. You would have to experience it in order to predict it. Science would have to experiment with it in order to predict it. And logic can predict it, but only to find it to be the most rational organization for literally all homosapians, although they can't know that until they can see it for themselves.

And it is not valid to presume that because one element is like A, then the whole is corruptible in the ways of A. Just because one part is communistic doesn't mean that the whole is corruptible as communism would be. Just because another part is democratic doesn't mean that the whole is corruptible as democracy would be. The fact that it is a combination of a variety of older schemes somewhat implies that none of those corruptions would directly apply.

It is assumed in the design that there will be efforts, both accidental and intentional, to corrupt it, else it wouldn't be worth considering. It is designed with that in mind and as a very high criterion for design. Corruption is the entropy and cancer. And every form of corruption has a cause, thus an "anti-cause" or cure. But SAM is not anti-entropic, else it would grow endlessly as governing attempts before it have tried. Thus the focus is on "Anentropy", as is life itself. Every form of entropy has an anti-entropy compensation. SAM is inherently mindful, ever attending to every detail. It is "Anentropic", resistant to corruption.

SAM is democratic in sense A
SAM is capitalistic in sense B
SAM is socialistic in sense C
SAM is communistic in sense D
SAM is constitutional in sense E

But what SAM is exactly, is NotA, None of the Above categories.

My point in the last post was that SAM is cellular in nature. The larger body that forms from a multitude of SAM corps is not merely a larger version of the SAM cells that formed it, just as your body is not merely a larger human cell.

And SAM does not take the course in its formation that those prior to it have taken. It does not take the path of force or self imposed coercion. SAM doesn't insist against choice. It permits against chaotic oppressive demise.

As I said, SAM is an evolution, formed of experience, wisdom, and logic. I am well aware of the very cause of corruption, Presumption, "anti-clarification" and "anti-verification". SAM doesn't presume that its members are saintly and incorruptible, quite the opposite.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: In Sight of SAM, I Am

Postby James S Saint » Fri Aug 22, 2014 11:51 pm

The real world of Man really is extremely complex in more ways than you could possibly imagine. And that is why explaining SAM, the final resolve, is such a complex challenge. The clouds hide the Sun and what has to be seen is on the other side of the Sun. Man must "shoot through the Sun" (beyond his Science) in order to see "the light and haven beyond". On a good day, they don't care to look toward the Sun. And on a bad day, they crave only to see more of what they saw before. When his mind can see, his heart doesn't care. And when his heart does care, his mind cannot see.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: In Sight of SAM, I Am

Postby James S Saint » Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:33 am

Mithus wrote:Which position would you give to yourself, if you had to choose one (but only one)?

Within the first prototype, I have to be the coordinator/overseer/supreme court, because that is the one ensuring that the other departments understand and are following the constitution. And in the first case, verifying that the constitution isn't leaving out any concern and is sufficient for general use by others.

If there were many SAM corps available for me to jump into (moving from one to another is an acceptable part of the system), I would probably have to choose between either the coordinator or the analyst because those are where my talents are. But every SAM corp chooses who is in which department by their tested talents. How and why the tests work is no secret. There is no competition for slots other than passing tests concerning job-talent. And such testing can be retaken many times. The intent is to fit the most talented person into the position that requires his talents. That makes the "joy factor" much higher than being stuck into a position that requires talents that someone else excels at better. Reducing anxiety and any need to hide or pretend is essential.

And also note that being in a department doesn't mean that one is head of the department, merely that such an atmosphere is best suited for that person. In a sense, the departments don't exactly have "heads" in the conventional sense. The head of a department isn't really dictating much of anything, but rather assembling information or acting on it. The apparent situation is what is actually making the decisions (aka "Reality" or actually the group's best guess at it), not anyone within the group. The people are merely gathering and assembling the information concerning the situation. When assembled properly, the result is a clear indicator as to which action to take. It isn't up to anyone to say, "well, I like plan A better than B, so that's what we'll all do". And some issues are left up to passion voting. There is no room for egos or vanity (those people don't pass the tests). SAM corps are entirely altruistic (no place for hidden agendas to hide).

But more importantly, realize that information toward decision making is gathered from ALL members. The best idea concerning something related to one department might well emerge from a member of a different department. They each see each other's work. And everyone has the right (and somewhat an obligation) to present any argument for a better idea. The result, because it is such a small group, is that the group is led by the best ideas from throughout the group, not merely the "the most talented leader" of such a group. No one cares who presented an idea. The only issue is which idea appears to be the best available at the time and there is a process for determining that. Sometimes it is merely a vote.

And all of that is why machines WILL do it, if people don't. Machines are not concerned with egos, pride, vanity, or blind lusts for power. They are already designed to seek out the best method/alternative.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: In Sight of SAM, I Am

Postby James S Saint » Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:34 am

SAM is about everyone actually becoming their own man (coherent, strong, and purposeful), but in a wise way.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
.
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Re: In Sight of SAM, I Am

Postby Arminius » Fri Oct 03, 2014 6:38 pm

James S Saint wrote:SAM is about everyone actually becoming their own man (coherent, strong, and purposeful), but in a wise way.

But SAM ("Social Anentropic Molecule") is not PAM ("Personal Anentropic Molecule"). :wink:
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Re: In Sight of SAM, I Am

Postby James S Saint » Sat Oct 04, 2014 5:10 am

Arminius wrote:
James S Saint wrote:SAM is about everyone actually becoming their own man (coherent, strong, and purposeful), but in a wise way.

But SAM ("Social Anentropic Molecule") is not PAM ("Personal Anentropic Molecule"). :wink:

No, because PAM is not wise. A wise man knows how to utilize teamwork in life. He is not a stand alone human (unwise), but a member of a few tightly associated humans; a "team" or "family" or "small group". SAM is the structure of that group such as to bring to authority the most intelligence, awareness, and influence for the group rather than the more simple ways of merely having a leader who is tasked with trying to know everything and make all of the decisions or a voting process yielding the lowest common acceptance.

SAM is anentropic in that its structure not only allows for changes and updates, but basically requires them moment by moment. SAM ensures that learning takes place primarily by associating documented intentions and designs with actual accomplishments. Every member of a SAM corp, can be called a true man (even the women if they choose), because the strength is shared.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
.
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Re: In Sight of SAM, I Am

Postby James S Saint » Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:12 pm

Arminius wrote:How can people of SAM defend themselves against corruption?

SAM is anentropic, the very essence of defense against entropy or corruption. People normally try to hope that their scheme for doing other things will not suffer corruption, but the "people of SAM" do nothing BUT defend themselves against corruption.

You eat so as to restore your health and spirit, diverting entropy/corruption. You work so as to gain the resources for eating. You sleep so as to rid your body of inadvertent corruption. You clean your body and house so as to dispense with corruption. In the long run, literally everything people do is actually merely the result of an attempt to maintain themselves, including sex, watching TV, eating too much, drugs, scheming, political activism,... everything. The problem is merely that that get confused and don't maintain very well.

The notion recently promoted in the last 400 years or so that the goal and purpose of life is "power" (WtP), is false and merely a social/psychological trick. And that is the real reason that so very many people are not Nietzschian nor Faustian. Life has never actually been about gaining power. The truth is rather that gaining power is for ensuring maintenance. But it is too easy for Man to confuse anti-entropy (the effort to grow) with an-entropy (the effort to maintain).

The focus must be maintained upon the actual goal/purpose. A degree of power must be sought, just as a degree of sex is required for reproduction. But that doesn't mean that anyone has to become manic about either. Power and sex (just as examples) serve only the purpose of ensuring the future maintenance.

Acquisition is not the goal. SAM maintains focus on Maintaining = Anentropy (anti-corruption). It does that through its decision making process which involves IJOT, an ongoing calculation of the eternal maintaining of joy throughout its populous.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
.
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Posts: 25976
Joined: Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:05 pm

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