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Re: Absurd Law

Postby Uccisore » Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:14 pm

Fixed Cross wrote:You can not compare the state with a burglar, because the state is the agent that determines whether something is going to be tolerated or not. Ultimately the three branches of state are one.

It's been surprising to me in the past how explicitly powerless the citizen is when facing the state here in Holland. A guy was recently killed by a bullet to the neck fired by a cop who tried to shoot him in the leg. The guy was unarmed, but he refused to comply with the police who thought he was armed. It was ruled that the officer in question had done nothing wrong. That seems absurd to me - he should at least be reprimanded for being a terrible marksman and not knowing that or something - but in situations like this you always see that the court kind of panics and takes the only route available to it that doesn't create the risk of destabilizing an already unstable state authority.



The problem here is that as a conservative, the value of a transparent state (along with every other political value) isn't pure. It's nice to have a transparent state, but it's also nice to have an effective intelligence/counter intelligence/law enforcement mechanism, and one conflicts with the other. This issue, and issues like it, are an example of those two values being in conflict, and by definition there's not going to be a simple or objective answer. A person can SAY "I don't give a shit about security, so the answer is this," or "I don't give a shit about privacy, so the answer is that," but both of those people are just being foolish ideologues.
That's sort of been my point here, or at least the idea motivating my points, in these discussions- if you deny the US Gov't the ability to spy on citizens' telecommunications, you are most likely denying them access to what is going to be THE single most important sort of intelligence, which every rival agency is going to be using against us.
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Re: Absurd Law

Postby James S Saint » Wed Jan 08, 2014 10:02 am

The ancient protection against such "rival agencies" is the best one, "Salt". And with the new technologies, it is even better.
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Re: Absurd Law

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:50 pm

James S Saint wrote: "Salt".

What does that mean?
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Re: Absurd Law

Postby 1Samuel8 » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:29 am

Yes, it is an Absurd Law but absurdity is relative.
Most state laws are absurd.





The real problem with the secret data collection is very rarely discussed: blackmail and defamation.
The data is collected to secretly coerce anybody and everybody.

The state is an illusion.
The reality is that secret thugs can control (politicians, judges, you and me) through their ability to blackmail, to destroy reputations by falsefying the World Wide Web and to disappear people.




Our achilles heel is technology: every single mobile device whether it is on or off is sending our individual geographic position on Earth and time to the data centers. Every where you have been and will be in the future are documented and discoverable in real time.
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Re: Absurd Law

Postby Mr Reasonable » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:36 am

Most state laws are absurd?

That's a pretty bold one.

I have a feeling that you hold some absurd beliefs about how society either is or how you think it ought be.
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Re: Absurd Law

Postby 1Samuel8 » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:54 am

Do you care to discuss?
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Re: Absurd Law

Postby Mr Reasonable » Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:00 am

That's what was just doing.
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Re: Absurd Law

Postby Fixed Cross » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:49 pm

We are never getting rid of the state. If we try to get rid of it, it will try to get rid of us.

Thats what politics is. The dialectic of pure negation.

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