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Re: men and women

Postby turtle » Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:52 pm

James S Saint wrote:Women in general are only doing what they have been programmed to do by men.

Recently they have been programmed to "blame-shift" as a strategy for creating chaos and destruction of society, along with many other strategies with the same aim. If a woman is blaming a man, there is another man behind it, who she will never know.

The easy way to resolve this whole Women versus Men thing is to ask a simple question;
"Do you prefer to be led by someone you intimately know, or someone you will never know?"

There is ALWAYS codependency.
The only question is to whom you choose to be dependent upon, a known or an unknown.

how about hillary for president in 2016......
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Re: men and women

Postby James S Saint » Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:56 pm

That might be the best choice.

I suspect it might be better to just get it all over with sooner rather than later.
..but maybe not, dunno.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: men and women

Postby turtle » Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:58 pm

James S Saint wrote:That might be the best choice.

I suspect it might be better to just get it all over with sooner rather than later.
..but maybe not, dunno.

why would it be the best choice....do you like the idea of dying right now...you sound ambivalent...that is not like you james..
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Re: men and women

Postby James S Saint » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:00 pm

turtle wrote:
James S Saint wrote:That might be the best choice.

I suspect it might be better to just get it all over with sooner rather than later.
..but maybe not, dunno.

why would it be the best choice....do you like the idea of dying right now...you sound ambivalent...that is not like you james..

I wasn't referring to ME.
The world is the issue, not me.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
.
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Re: men and women

Postby turtle » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:04 pm

James S Saint wrote:
turtle wrote:
James S Saint wrote:That might be the best choice.

I suspect it might be better to just get it all over with sooner rather than later.
..but maybe not, dunno.

why would it be the best choice....do you like the idea of dying right now...you sound ambivalent...that is not like you james..

I wasn't referring to ME.
The world is the issue, not me.

but james i want your personal belief....dont screw around here...
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Re: men and women

Postby James S Saint » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:08 pm

That IS my personal belief...??

So what are you really talking about that I am not?
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: men and women

Postby turtle » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:19 pm

James S Saint wrote:That IS my personal belief...??

So what are you really talking about that I am not?

please tell what are the strengths women have....do you like 50-50 relationships between men and women...
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Re: men and women

Postby James S Saint » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:32 pm

turtle wrote:
James S Saint wrote:That IS my personal belief...??

So what are you really talking about that I am not?

please tell what are the strengths women have....do you like 50-50 relationships between men and women...

I absolutely forbid 50-50 relationships.
Those are the very highest probability of failure, everyone knew it when they proposed it.
That is why it was proposed... statistics.

The strengths of women (noting that you asked only of women... why exactly... seriously think about it?) as far as I cant tell, besides the obvious biological concerns, is their liveliness, attention to detail, memory, willingness to be an intimate part of another (sexually or not), raising questions that others might have overlooked, initiating things that should never have existed (aka "new life"), caring for things that newly exist (child or not)... probably others. It is not something I have analyzed, categorized, and pigeon-holed.

Basically, I see value in just about everything and everyone.... except for anything that isn't really there. I always seek the value first, not the reasons for condemning... but then they can't be left out either.

Women are excellent devoted councilors, not leaders (not worth shit if not personally devoted).
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: men and women

Postby turtle » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:01 pm

James S Saint wrote:
turtle wrote:
James S Saint wrote:That IS my personal belief...??

So what are you really talking about that I am not?

please tell what are the strengths women have....do you like 50-50 relationships between men and women...

I absolutely forbid 50-50 relationships.
Those are the very highest probability of failure, everyone knew it when they proposed it.
That is why it was proposed... statistics.

The strengths of women (noting that you asked only of women... why exactly... seriously think about it?) as far as I cant tell, besides the obvious biological concerns, is their liveliness, attention to detail, memory, willingness to be an intimate part of another (sexually or not), raising questions that others might have overlooked, initiating things that should never have existed (aka "new life"), caring for things that newly exist (child or not)... probably others. It is not something I have analyzed, categorized, and pigeon-holed.

Basically, I see value in just about everything and everyone.... except for anything that isn't really there. I always seek the value first, not the reasons for condemning... but then they can't be left out either.

Women are excellent devoted councilors, not leaders (not worth shit if not personally devoted).


what strengths do men have..........
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Re: men and women

Postby James S Saint » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:18 pm

Well, you would never know it by the performance of men these days (having been long since feminized), but the more natural male, again besides the biological concerns, has a more strategic perspective. He isn't so interested in attracting to himself (the self beauty concern) as much as accomplishing reach to the target (which is why they instinctively love projectile weaponry and hunting of various types). If not neurologically corrupted, the male will typically out perform that female in almost any task... except one (again ignoring the biological issues). The female, not being a strategic hunter as much as a strategic deceiver, is not involved in the hunters occupation and thus her mind is free to see and think about the things that the more strategic hunter doesn't have time to thinking about... thus they make good councilors.

In short, the male is overtaxed with his male endeavors whereas the female is free to think of what the male didn't have time to consider such as to give it more time and more consideration.

The female is a lotus flower and the male is a chess player.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: men and women

Postby turtle » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:25 pm

now back to men and women getting together as partners.....if i were fighting a war i would prefer a male-female team rather than a male-male team........guys just tend to get carried away with frontal assaults....that is a big problem to me..
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Re: men and women

Postby Flannel Jesus » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:27 pm

I think what turtle is suggesting is that women could bring their passive-aggressiveness into the war zone. Interesting. What sorts of strategic advantages does female passive-aggression give in a war situation?
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Re: men and women

Postby James S Saint » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:29 pm

turtle wrote:now back to men and women getting together as partners.....if i were fighting a war i would prefer a male-female team rather than a male-male team........guys just tend to get carried away with frontal assaults....that is a big problem to me..

But then, you are far from being a strategist.
Or do you think that you are an educated strategist?
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: men and women

Postby turtle » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:31 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote:I think what turtle is suggesting is that women could bring their passive-aggressiveness into the war zone. Interesting. What sorts of strategic advantages does female passive-aggression give in a war situation?


flannel you bring some clarification...i think not as many men would be lost by being sneaky...women tend to go around the ends..
they arent as locked in to beating the crap out of another guy...
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Re: men and women

Postby Flannel Jesus » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:34 pm

Interesting turtle. So women should certainly be involved in directing military action, as they are sneaky creatures. What about on the front lines? Do women have a role to play there? Are will their breasts only serve as a distraction for the men on their team?
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Re: men and women

Postby turtle » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:35 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote:Interesting turtle. So women should certainly be involved in directing military action, as they are sneaky creatures. What about on the front lines? Do women have a role to play there? Are will their breasts only serve as a distraction for the men on their team?

i dont know about that...what experience do they have in other countries like israel....
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Re: men and women

Postby Hobbes Choice » Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:13 pm

felix dakat wrote:
What makes your cultural perspective superior to that of others? Patriarchal societies were the norm throughout most of human history. Those societies assured human survival. What makes you think equal rights for women is better?


The survival of humans did not rely on Patriarchy. To say such a thing would give us pause to consider what it would have been like to have matriarchy or societies that were not dependant on either system. You might as well point to anything and suggest that was the reason for human survival such as warfare. Now consider what it might have been like if humans had resisted warfare?
So basically you have no good reason to make that connection, without some sort of particular reason. What is is exactly that is wrong with a woman leader?
I think it highly likely that were humans to have been matriarchal or gender equal we might well have done far better.
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Re: men and women

Postby lizbethrose » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:12 am

Flannel Jesus wrote:
lizbethrose wrote:Why is it that every time the subject comes up, men have to, seemingly, emphasize their superiority by pointing out the physical differences between the genders? Why can't the differences be seen as complimentary and celebrated as such? I tend to celebrate the physical differences between men and women. If it weren't for those differences, how could we have survived as a species? Hmmm?

When the subject comes up, men point out the physical differences.
You say you celebrate those physical differences, and yet you're apparently offended or off-put in some way by the fact that men point out the physical differences.

You're celebrating it and being offended by it at the same time? I don't understand what's going on here.


FJ, I'm not offended. Men can point out physical differences as long as they don't attach any suggestion of one against another that leads to inequality between the sexes. For example, the male of most species is generally larger than the female--although not always true. What does size have to do with equality? Men are stronger than women. What advantage does that give a male over a female in life? Women can't do maths and science as well as men. What a bunch of BS!

I'm saying that most gender differences, as experienced, are cultural. There's no more feminization of men than there is masculization of women. We both have x chromosomes. (Women have 2 x's and men have an x and a y.) X chromosomes come from our mothers, which means, generally speaking, men have what's popularly called a 'feminine side.' This is nature, not bigger, stronger, smarter. :|
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Re: men and women

Postby Flannel Jesus » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:14 am

Physical strength gives a lot of advantages. I can't tell if you're serious or not.
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Re: men and women

Postby Stuart » Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:56 am

One must burn more calories if one is stronger or bigger.
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Re: men and women

Postby turtle » Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:32 am

the thread has to do with getting along and why that might be important for survival...
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Re: men and women

Postby gib » Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:32 pm

turtle wrote:the thread has to do with getting along and why that might be important for survival...


Why is it important for our survival that men and women get along??? Um... babies, perhaps?
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Re: men and women

Postby Hobbes Choice » Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:41 pm

gib wrote:
turtle wrote:the thread has to do with getting along and why that might be important for survival...


Why is it important for our survival that men and women get along??? Um... babies, perhaps?


Survival has not always required men and women getting along. Survival makes it without the niceties.
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Re: men and women

Postby lizbethrose » Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:56 am

Hobbes Choice wrote:
gib wrote:
turtle wrote:the thread has to do with getting along and why that might be important for survival...


Why is it important for our survival that men and women get along??? Um... babies, perhaps?


Survival has not always required men and women getting along. Survival makes it without the niceties.


But doesn't survival of a species require, among many other things, rapport within the species? And doesn't rapport imply a certain amount of understanding, acceptance, leading to open, honest, communication between the genders that make up the species? Just asking... :)
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Re: men and women

Postby Flannel Jesus » Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:03 am

No, survival of a species doesn't depend on that. There's this species of scorpion in which the males and females don't come into contact with each other for years, because the population is so sparse, and when they do the male just rapes the female and runs away.

So, the short, blunt, and accurate answer is 'No, it doesn't require that.'
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