New school shooting, leftist response

Oops, people die in car crashes every day. Therefore if you’re pro cars you are ok with people dying.

Idiot.

Look at my one-liners.

I’m soooooo smart.

I don’t want to type longer than a few sentences at a time, otherwise people will realize what a complete moron I am.

Is UrGod and Urwrong the same person?

Has UrGod ever written a paragraph to expose his mind and thought process to others? No. I do it all the time. He can’t. He’s incapable of producing any thought-provoking statements, discussions, or arguments. Incapable of any unique insight or superior perspective.

He’s probably just a 20 year old know-it-all, thinks he knows the first thing about anything. That’s my guess.

Alright, filing this under noted.

Hahaha. Yes I’ve never written more than a few sentences at a time.

Priceless.

This issue is beginning to sound like the old Abbot and Costello routine who is on first , who is on third. One never knows for sure, except for what’s on second : the good cop

What’s priceless is you comparing weapons, designed to kill, to cars.

Do you have anymore genius insights, god? Or are you as dumb as everybody here suspects you are? Let’s see some intelligence shine. I know. I know…I’m asking too much.

You don’t have much wit inside that empty brain of yours, do you?

On a serious note, it’s rather disheartening and pathetic that a mature, constructive conversation cannot be had on this forum, over this type of issue.

Maybe more children need to be massacred inside schools, before people get riled enough to at least address the issue.

Or maybe ‘western’ people and society is so decayed, so apathetic, that it’s basically rotten and dead from the inside out? A lost cause? Hopeless?

That would mean only one thing… cut out the living tissue and scrap the rest. Time to start over.

Wait, I’m going to respond on behalf of Urgod…

attempt at a clever one-liner to discount everything that’s been said

back-biting remark to try to impress others about how smart I imply myself to be

say nothing worthwhile or interesting

That about sums it up. Urgod’s comments can now be ignored as no insights, knowledge, wisdom, or perspective is offered from such a vacuous mind.

@Urwrong

As bad as schooling shootings are, and they are horrific, let’s put things into perspective a bit:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/02/15/us/school-shootings-sandy-hook-parkland.html

438, say 450 people were shot in the last 6 years in school shootings.
That’s 75 a year.
There are about 300 million people in the USA.
So the odds of someone or their kid being shot in a school shooting is about 1 in 4 million annually.
And 138, say 150 were shot dead, that’s 30 a year, that’s about 1 in 10 million annually, or in other words, it’s extremely unlikely someone or their kid will be shot (dead) in a school shooting.

And while that in itself doesn’t mean semi-autos shouldn’t be banned, and other guns further restricted, I think many people have been given the impression school and other spree shootings are far more frequent than they actually are, and this false impression needs to be dispelled.

As bad as the USA is, it could still get a hell of a lot worse, millions of people still risk life and limb annually trying to make it to the USA and other western nations from the third world.
I mean tell that to the Gypsies, Jews, intellectuals, Gays, and people with physical and/or psychological disabilities who survived Nazi Germany, the USA is a fascist dictatorship, or the tens of millions who lost their family at the hands of Stalin and Mao.
The USA is quasi-fascist, but it’s not outright fascist, in many important respects, we still have a ways to go.

Comparing national health care, insurance and social security, or moving more in the direction of Canada and Scandinavia economically, to a fascist dictatorship, is essentially comparing apples to oranges.

Many conservatives lump gun control in with the ‘pro-socialist agenda’.
Perhaps you’re more part of that agenda than you think, unbeknownst to you, or care to admit.
It’s funny you seem to argue for liberty over security and equality on principle, except here.
Don’t you think that if sacrificing liberty for security can be beneficial here, that it can be beneficial in other areas?

And socialism has nothing to do with the military, anymore than capitalism does.
The USA is still one of, if not the most capitalistic nation on earth, and it’s also the most militaristic nation on earth, it’s been the most militaristic nation on earth for nearly a century.

“Oh school shootings aren’t so bad.”

That is not a productive counter-argument. Imagine being in the school, being one of those kids, during a spree-shooting. Empathize a little bit, if you can.

Would you tell the victims and survivors “but it’s not so bad”?

This is a new beast to grapple with, similar to the terrorism of 9-11. Appropriate responses should be expected. You, like Urgod, and like many other in this thread, are responding with apathy, “oh, it’s not so bad”. Yeah, well, I don’t think the kids who go through these spree-shootings will agree with you, nor their families. Furthermore, you and others aren’t thinking ahead. What if, god forbid, someday you have children. Would you feel safe with them in school? Do you feel safe in movie theaters, outdoor concerts? Public venues? With the rate of spree-shooting as it currently is, there’s no sign it will be slowing down, or that it couldn’t happen anywhere. It is happening anywhere. Shopping malls. Movie theaters. Outdoor concerts. Elmentary schools. High schools. No more “safe-spaces” for modern society.

It seems that nobody but me is willing to look at the actual causes and sources. It’s a relatively new phenomenon, in terms of size, scope, and damage. Society is turning on itself. Kids are bringing semi-automatic rifles to school to gun down as many other kids as they can.

I’m becoming more aware of my opposition and its ignorance. You, are unwilling to look at these incidents and occurrences. You are unwilling to be affected by them, to imagine them, to imagine the victims or the perpetrators.

This is a once-sided conversation.

I should have learned my lesson by now…

That’s like saying the anti-gun crowd are against people using guns to defend themselves and others against other people with guns or other weapons, and so, standing with criminals who initiate violence.
While guns make it easier to kill people, they also make it easier to kill people who kill people, so without doing thorough statistical analyses, you can’t rationally say, well it’d be worth it just to have no guns, but you can emote.
Guns can also level the playing field, suddenly people who’d otherwise be relatively defenseless, like women, the elderly, the disabled, people caught off guard in their homes or businesses and so on, can have just as much power as a group of big, violent thugs.

What’s the purpose of a gun, except to kill?

It’s been a while since I’ve researched gun violence, but from what I remember, very few people kill using semi-autos, with the exception of several spree shootings annually, defensively, or offensively, the vast, majority of shootings are committed with ordinary guns.
While I don’t know what the statistics are, I don’t see why it’s impossible that people can use AR-15s defensively.

Gloominary, the United States is a totalitarian [democratic\ republican in name only] corporate military police state. While being a supporter of a dictatorship myself I want one not like this but instead the complete opposite. The one I want benefits the many whereas this one we live under benefits only the few.

This is a purely emotional, rhetorical argument.
Just because a tragedy occurs, doesn’t mean anything can, or ought to be done about it.
It’s tragic people inadvertently kill themselves and others while drinking and driving, doesn’t mean anything can be done about it, doesn’t mean prohibiting alcohol will do any good.
As we all know, all’s it did during the 1920s was drive it underground, and people actually wound up consuming more of the stuff than they otherwise would have, it brought the criminal underworld into alcohol, where it wasn’t before, and made the Italian, and Jewish mafias very rich and powerful, helped organized crime further establish itself in the US.
Whle banning guns reduced gun violence in places like the UK, Mexico has tough gun laws, but all’s they did was drive guns underground, Mexico still has loads of guns and gun violence.
What works in one country may not work in another, the USA isn’t a European country, it’s very unruly.
And you might just be taking guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens and into the hands of criminals, allowing them to monopolize them.

I already know the answer. I admit that I was leading you.

People don’t use AR-15s to defend themselves, except in the military. There are no practical situations in the US that a-n-y-b-o-d-y uses a semi-automatic rifle to defend themselves. Thus, they are purely offensive weapons. And the stats prove this. AR-15s are used to rack up a huge body-count, by spree-shooters, in places where people are both defenseless and completely off guard. Shopping malls, movie theaters, outdoor concerts, elementary schools, high schools.

The crux of this matter is not “put a security guard in a high school” as that only solves one area of the above. You cannot put security guards everywhere. And the nature of the spree-shooter, is to cause as much damage as possible, where there are not armed guards. (As-if the armed guards would not be the first ones ambushed and killed anyway, removing their effectiveness outright???)

Again, I’m the only one thinking about these issues, clearly. Nobody is putting any brainpower into this. Again, as I mentioned, maybe another dozen more spree-shootings are required before anybody else even puts a few thoughts into it??

Isn’t the topic owed at least an inkling of insight? No? Well then, let’s forget the whole ordeal and wait for the next one.

How long will we have to wait? A year? No, too unrealistic? 6 months? 3 months? 1 month?

Kennesaw, GA has mandatory gun ownership law on the books

[i]Kennesaw is noted for its unique firearms legislation, mandating gun ownership, in response to Morton Grove, Illinois’ law mandating gun prohibition. In 1982 the city passed an ordinance [Sec 34-21]:[21]

(a) In order to provide for the emergency management of the city, and further in order to provide for and protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants, every head of household residing in the city limits is required to maintain a firearm, together with ammunition therefore.[/i] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw,_Georgia#Gun_law

Murder = 1 in 10 years.

Family Circle rates Kennesaw as one of the top 10 places to raise a family familycircle.com/family-fun … -families/

Chicago has the toughest gun laws in the US.

Murders >400 per year.

Guns are not the problem; it’s something else. Obviously, without access to guns, kids couldn’t shoot-up schools, but how do you propose confiscating all the guns? The problem cited in Chicago is people bringing guns from the outside into the city. So it seems the only ones with guns are the criminals who disregard the law. Unless you’re going to exhaustively search every residence in the US, you’re not going to get all the guns. You’re barking up the wrong tree… the problem is something else.

Guns are even more necessary and important than cars. So my point is even stronger than it appears at face value.

Just another triggered leftist reactionary. Yawn.