New school shooting, leftist response

I used to be pro-gun and 2nd Amendment but the increase of frequence of school spree-shootings and spree-shootings in general, has me second-guessing and doubting pro-gun support. Basically, the bottom line is, USA is already a “fascist dictatorship”. Thus the argument for “against government tyranny” is a moot-point. It doesn’t matter whether US citizens have guns or not, to resist government tyranny, because US citizens already voted in favor of it. The die is cast on that topic. The Federal Government was already voted into pro-socialist agendas, from healthcare, health insurance, to military, to social security, and through all aspects of life. The Federal and State government already dictates to average US citizens what they can or cannot do. “Rights” are a sham, of Modernity. They don’t really mean anything. They don’t really grant anything. They’re mostly outdated, liberal talking points.

The main problem of Modernity is that 1) people don’t know what real problems are, and even if they did, then 2) they wouldn’t know real solutions to those real problems.

Thus this matter of spree-shootings falls into two categories: 1) take away people’s (machine) guns, or 2) say that “but we’ve gottaaaaa do somethiiiiiing aboooout mental health!!!” The real problem is that nothing is being done about the issue. The politicians lack backbone to enforce radical changes. And underneath that big problem, is another big problem, that Moderns don’t really understand the cause, the how, the why, of spree-shootings in the first place. Society is turning against itself. Person is turning against person.

I’ve heard that “other countries have problems of their own”. In France, Moslems are spree-shooting music clubs with AK-47s. In Israel, Moslems are blowing themselves up with explosives, as well as other Middle Eastern countries. So you take away the guns, and extreme violence still occurs. Therefore the real solution is found in deeper questions. 1) Can extreme violence be stopped, and 2) if it can be stopped then how??? I don’t really have answers to whether or not extreme violence can be stopped. Maybe it can’t. And if it can’t, then the second real solution would be to mitigate the damages, and restore health as quickly as possible. I don’t think anybody is really applying this track of mind: mitigate damage and restore health quickly.

That would be the most reasonable response.

However, from the signs of this conversation, civilization and Moderns are far, far behind the curve.

At least Silhoutte is willing to have dialogue, unlike most others here. That is some hope. The rest is empty rhetoric, without significance.

Here’s a critical argument.

The “pro-gun”, gun-enthusiast crowd… have been the ones committing these spree-shootings and mass murders over the past two decades.

So if you are “pro-gun” then essentially you are “on the side” of the spree-shooters. You are not advocating for ‘defense’ of innocent life, in general. Your position is the one of offense, of taking human life. While it maybe true there are circumstances in modern society that gun owners do save lives, protect their families, and prevent crimes from taking place, that can be quantified against the loss of life and damages of the criminals who commit violent gun crimes… when they would not have been able to otherwise, with strict gun laws and enforcement.

Who knows, though? Maybe the price of a pro-gun USA is… hundreds of more lives of high school and elementary school students?

Maybe your kids could be gunned down, are you willing to sacrifice them, to keep your guns?

Here’s a third argument.

For those advocating “I need muh guns to protect muh family”… I’ve not heard any cases in the past 20 years where individuals or families needed an AR-15 or machine gun, to protect their families. I’ve heard of vigilantes stopping violent crimes with pistols, shotguns, and (hunting) rifles. I have NOT heard of vigilantes using an AR-15 defensively or “to protect” anybody. Because assault rifles, machine guns, are another moot point.

If you’re going to use a machine gun, then almost absolutely, it would be offensively and not defensively. So there’s that contention as well. Therefore, those inclined to mass murder, are going to use overwhelming firepower, and unexpectedly. Thus you can’t predict how and when they will kill dozens of people. And you cannot anticipate to match the firepower. Therefore, such firepower is only ever useful to those who wish to commit acts of extreme violence.

There is definitely a deep state that resides everywhere and its headquarters is Langley, Virginia. The president is a puppet where the real owners are either corporate or the intelligence/national security bureau. The president controls nothing in this country, the goal of the presidency in this country is to fool the population into believing that the figurehead has all the power where in reality all presidents take their marching orders from others.

Figurative replacing the literal (black and white)
Theatrics versus reality
Reagan Trumped

A faux ‘should’ -center against a done deal

It looks as of that is not a fake newsworthy item but people read Inquirerer now days instead of the Washington Post

There is no longer any credible media within the United States as it is all under government control headed by intelligence agencies. Free press? What free press? Nowhere to be found in this country. I actually find more credible information amongst foreign media outlets than I do here domestically.

Oops, people die in car crashes every day. Therefore if you’re pro cars you are ok with people dying.

Idiot.

Look at my one-liners.

I’m soooooo smart.

I don’t want to type longer than a few sentences at a time, otherwise people will realize what a complete moron I am.

Is UrGod and Urwrong the same person?

Has UrGod ever written a paragraph to expose his mind and thought process to others? No. I do it all the time. He can’t. He’s incapable of producing any thought-provoking statements, discussions, or arguments. Incapable of any unique insight or superior perspective.

He’s probably just a 20 year old know-it-all, thinks he knows the first thing about anything. That’s my guess.

Alright, filing this under noted.

Hahaha. Yes I’ve never written more than a few sentences at a time.

Priceless.

This issue is beginning to sound like the old Abbot and Costello routine who is on first , who is on third. One never knows for sure, except for what’s on second : the good cop

What’s priceless is you comparing weapons, designed to kill, to cars.

Do you have anymore genius insights, god? Or are you as dumb as everybody here suspects you are? Let’s see some intelligence shine. I know. I know…I’m asking too much.

You don’t have much wit inside that empty brain of yours, do you?

On a serious note, it’s rather disheartening and pathetic that a mature, constructive conversation cannot be had on this forum, over this type of issue.

Maybe more children need to be massacred inside schools, before people get riled enough to at least address the issue.

Or maybe ‘western’ people and society is so decayed, so apathetic, that it’s basically rotten and dead from the inside out? A lost cause? Hopeless?

That would mean only one thing… cut out the living tissue and scrap the rest. Time to start over.

Wait, I’m going to respond on behalf of Urgod…

attempt at a clever one-liner to discount everything that’s been said

back-biting remark to try to impress others about how smart I imply myself to be

say nothing worthwhile or interesting

That about sums it up. Urgod’s comments can now be ignored as no insights, knowledge, wisdom, or perspective is offered from such a vacuous mind.

@Urwrong

As bad as schooling shootings are, and they are horrific, let’s put things into perspective a bit:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/02/15/us/school-shootings-sandy-hook-parkland.html

438, say 450 people were shot in the last 6 years in school shootings.
That’s 75 a year.
There are about 300 million people in the USA.
So the odds of someone or their kid being shot in a school shooting is about 1 in 4 million annually.
And 138, say 150 were shot dead, that’s 30 a year, that’s about 1 in 10 million annually, or in other words, it’s extremely unlikely someone or their kid will be shot (dead) in a school shooting.

And while that in itself doesn’t mean semi-autos shouldn’t be banned, and other guns further restricted, I think many people have been given the impression school and other spree shootings are far more frequent than they actually are, and this false impression needs to be dispelled.

As bad as the USA is, it could still get a hell of a lot worse, millions of people still risk life and limb annually trying to make it to the USA and other western nations from the third world.
I mean tell that to the Gypsies, Jews, intellectuals, Gays, and people with physical and/or psychological disabilities who survived Nazi Germany, the USA is a fascist dictatorship, or the tens of millions who lost their family at the hands of Stalin and Mao.
The USA is quasi-fascist, but it’s not outright fascist, in many important respects, we still have a ways to go.

Comparing national health care, insurance and social security, or moving more in the direction of Canada and Scandinavia economically, to a fascist dictatorship, is essentially comparing apples to oranges.

Many conservatives lump gun control in with the ‘pro-socialist agenda’.
Perhaps you’re more part of that agenda than you think, unbeknownst to you, or care to admit.
It’s funny you seem to argue for liberty over security and equality on principle, except here.
Don’t you think that if sacrificing liberty for security can be beneficial here, that it can be beneficial in other areas?

And socialism has nothing to do with the military, anymore than capitalism does.
The USA is still one of, if not the most capitalistic nation on earth, and it’s also the most militaristic nation on earth, it’s been the most militaristic nation on earth for nearly a century.

“Oh school shootings aren’t so bad.”

That is not a productive counter-argument. Imagine being in the school, being one of those kids, during a spree-shooting. Empathize a little bit, if you can.

Would you tell the victims and survivors “but it’s not so bad”?

This is a new beast to grapple with, similar to the terrorism of 9-11. Appropriate responses should be expected. You, like Urgod, and like many other in this thread, are responding with apathy, “oh, it’s not so bad”. Yeah, well, I don’t think the kids who go through these spree-shootings will agree with you, nor their families. Furthermore, you and others aren’t thinking ahead. What if, god forbid, someday you have children. Would you feel safe with them in school? Do you feel safe in movie theaters, outdoor concerts? Public venues? With the rate of spree-shooting as it currently is, there’s no sign it will be slowing down, or that it couldn’t happen anywhere. It is happening anywhere. Shopping malls. Movie theaters. Outdoor concerts. Elmentary schools. High schools. No more “safe-spaces” for modern society.

It seems that nobody but me is willing to look at the actual causes and sources. It’s a relatively new phenomenon, in terms of size, scope, and damage. Society is turning on itself. Kids are bringing semi-automatic rifles to school to gun down as many other kids as they can.

I’m becoming more aware of my opposition and its ignorance. You, are unwilling to look at these incidents and occurrences. You are unwilling to be affected by them, to imagine them, to imagine the victims or the perpetrators.

This is a once-sided conversation.

I should have learned my lesson by now…

That’s like saying the anti-gun crowd are against people using guns to defend themselves and others against other people with guns or other weapons, and so, standing with criminals who initiate violence.
While guns make it easier to kill people, they also make it easier to kill people who kill people, so without doing thorough statistical analyses, you can’t rationally say, well it’d be worth it just to have no guns, but you can emote.
Guns can also level the playing field, suddenly people who’d otherwise be relatively defenseless, like women, the elderly, the disabled, people caught off guard in their homes or businesses and so on, can have just as much power as a group of big, violent thugs.

What’s the purpose of a gun, except to kill?