Left-Libertarianism

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Left-Libertarianism

Postby Sociocraft » Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:15 pm

What is it, and what distinguishes it from both right-libertarianism, and left-authoritarianism?
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Re: Left-Libertarianism

Postby iambiguous » Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:31 pm

From my frame of mind, it always revolves around objectivism. An objectivist being someone who is convinced that there is a "real me" in sync with "the right thing to do". And, thus, is convinced that, with the right ethical and political font, one can always make the proper distinction between rational and moral behavior and irrational and immoral behavior.

So to the extent that the left libertarian or the right libertarian, the right authoritarian or the left authoritarian divide the world into "the one of us good guys" and the "one of them bad guys", is the extent to which they clearly reject the points I raise in my signature threads.

And, if they do, we can focus in on a particular set of circumstances in which political values come into conflict and explore our respective philosophies.
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Re: Left-Libertarianism

Postby Sociocraft » Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:41 pm

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Re: Left-Libertarianism

Postby Sociocraft » Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:59 pm

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Re: Left-Libertarianism

Postby iambiguous » Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:01 pm

Sociocraft wrote:
iambiguous wrote:From my frame of mind, it always revolves around objectivism. An objectivist being someone who is convinced that there is a "real me" in sync with "the right thing to do". And, thus, is convinced that, with the right ethical and political font, one can always make the proper distinction between rational and moral behavior and irrational and immoral behavior.

So to the extent that the left libertarian or the right libertarian, the right authoritarian or the left authoritarian divide the world into "the one of us good guys" and the "one of them bad guys", is the extent to which they clearly reject the points I raise in my signature threads.

And, if they do, we can focus in on a particular set of circumstances in which political values come into conflict and explore our respective philosophies.

As much as that's an interesting topic, it's not what this thread is about.
This thread is for comparing and contrasting left-libertarianism with right-libertarianism, left and right authoritarianism, not for juxtaposing subjectivism and objectivism.


Either way, when you do get around to whatever distinction you are trying to explore here, maybe you can bring the conclusions out into the world of human interactions, and focus in on comparing and contrasting these positions as they pertain to the actual lives that we live.

The part that, from my frame of mind, so many folks here seem to avoid like the plague.

Maybe they should ask themselves why. Or attempt to explain to me why that part is not really what their own understanding of philosophy is all about. Like all the rest of us though, left-libertarians and right-libertarians, like left and right authoritarians, think and feel and say and do things because they think about the human condition in conflicting ways.

That, in my opinion, is what needs to be "compared and contrasted".

For example, as they reflect on the Bernie Sanders/Joe Biden chasm in the Democratic Party. Or on the upcoming presidential election in November.

Again, after all the intellectual analysis is said and done, perhaps then you might be willing to bring any conclusions that are reached out into the world as I have come to understand it.
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Re: Left-Libertarianism

Postby Sociocraft » Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:57 pm

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Re: Left-Libertarianism

Postby Sociocraft » Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:09 pm

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Re: Left-Libertarianism

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:37 am

Sociocraft wrote:From what I gather, one thing left and right-libertarians have in common is they both want to reduce the size of the state, but whereas most left-libertarians are anarchists, most right-libertarians are minarchists.

That seems accurate. Left-Libertarians are Anarchists. Right-Libertarians are Minarchist and Corporatist. Left-Libertarians want to legalize hard drugs like heroin. Right-Libertarians want to privatize schools, roads, emergency services, and the military.
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Re: Left-Libertarianism

Postby Sociocraft » Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:45 pm

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Re: Left-Libertarianism

Postby Sociocraft » Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:23 am

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Re: Left-Libertarianism

Postby iambiguous » Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:48 am

Sociocraft wrote:If I have the time and energy to, 'bring them down to earth', as you put it, I will, but for now I'll be exploring them in the abstract.


Doesn't surprise me. Lots of people here prefer it that way.
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Re: Left-Libertarianism

Postby Sociocraft » Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:34 am

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Re: Left-Libertarianism

Postby Sociocraft » Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:55 am

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Re: Left-Libertarianism

Postby iambiguous » Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:14 pm

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A little help with this, please.
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Re: Left-Libertarianism

Postby Meno_ » Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:27 pm

To my mind such distinctions, as artificially simulated , as they appear to me by now, are mostly consistent with no ped peddling of how a moral justification over an ethical standard should predominate. Its like another famous rational given by then secretary of defense McNamara, that the domino theory to Southeast Asia demands some sort of unified basis to peace in that area, based on the international aspect of noticing differences, even within ethically minimum modalities of apprehension within larger Asian regional interests.

McNamara wrote an aplogical re vision after he lost stature , that reeked of a guilty , yet unapprobated conscience, that totally lost the audience by then.
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