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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby barbarianhorde » Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:33 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Spain: After the Arabs were gone, they were like cool! What now fellow Chrischuns? And they were like oh. And they made a second universe to rival the Arab one because the Chrischuns were backwards barbarians.

Was it that cool though? I mean yeah I heard it was pretty magnificent. But what are some fine things to take away from it?
Why does it deserve to be mentioned in the company of other realms?
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:38 pm

Lol what the fuck is wrong with you? Why the fuck are we talking about Europe? Hahaha.

Focus man. Geopolitics. What is the taks of Europe? Is it not for the moment cultural? Are we not to leave the martial aspect to the US?

Don't be offended when I say cultural. I mean it in your sense. In the sense that Nietzsche is culture. I think the world needs Europe. No need to be sensitive about it, it is a sign of victory.

I wish you the best in any case with the Arabs. They're cool people. Just don't lose Europe.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:39 pm

barbarianhorde wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:Spain: After the Arabs were gone, they were like cool! What now fellow Chrischuns? And they were like oh. And they made a second universe to rival the Arab one because the Chrischuns were backwards barbarians.

Was it that cool though? I mean yeah I heard it was pretty magnificent. But what are some fine things to take away from it?
Why does it deserve to be mentioned in the company of other realms?


They had cool ships.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:41 pm

Arguably Spain was also invaded by Berbers and not Arabs. This is missing the point. It was the Arab empire.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:17 am

What separates an empire from a kingdom is ethnicity. An empire is not about an ethnicity, it is about a Universe. Ethnicity is only relevant insofar as the closer you are to the origins of the empire, the more bragging rights you have over the immortal results of the empire, over the foundation of a universe. There is a prestige attached to it during the life of the empire, specially the early part where it is feasible to keep track, which gravitates on the fact that they are a more important part of this thing that is a Universe. Not a race or a people. A universe.

A kingdom is of a people. The Saxons, the Macedons, the French.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby barbarianhorde » Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:18 am

Well, Russia is Europe. So Europe borders on China, and Alaska. I mean Siberia is Asia but Moscow is a European capital and holds sway over Siberia and speaks its language, Europe is really a bigger sort of reservoir of power than is first apparent. The sheer force of brutality coming up from the East pushing against the west through the heart of Germany is unparalleled on Earth.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby barbarianhorde » Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:20 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:What separates an empire from a kingdom is ethnicity. An empire is not about an ethnicity, it is about a Universe. Ethnicity is only relevant insofar as the closer you are to the origins of the empire, the more bragging rights you have over the immortal results of the empire, over the foundation of a universe. There is a prestige attached to it during the life of the empire, specially the early part where it is feasible to keep track, which gravitates on the fact that they are a more important part of this thing that is a Universe. Not a race or a people. A universe.

A kingdom is of a people. The Saxons, the Macedons, the French.

I guess my shipbuilder forefathers built the first world-empire.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby barbarianhorde » Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:22 am

barbarianhorde wrote:Well, Russia is Europe. So Europe borders on China, and Alaska. I mean Siberia is Asia but Moscow is a European capital and holds sway over Siberia and speaks its language, Europe is really a bigger sort of reservoir of power than is first apparent. The sheer force of brutality coming up from the East pushing against the west through the heart of Germany is unparalleled on Earth.

Except like, India.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby barbarianhorde » Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:22 am

Fucking crazy persons.

They can really carry a lot of contradictions. I guess thats what large eyes mean.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby barbarianhorde » Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:25 am

And sure, your own part of the world carries a not unsimilar weight there at the bottleneck.

Makes you wonder about leadership. What it has hitherto been presumed to require.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:27 am

In a strange way, the Masonic state is the end of Empire.

The Masons had just had it with the the undigestable scale of violence that an empire is capable of. Now king ever exerted an even comparable level of military coercion. They were like enough. They didn't like kingdoms either, obviously, dumb ethnic tyrannies.

So they designed the US. To stop it all from starting over again. Because enough. Freedom. We want freedom. As cool as the Spanish were, I am NOT happy with most of what happened, which includes treating the Dutch like we did.

No need to get rid of the gold though. These do-gooders, these fucking leftists, they have no appreciation. What is freedom if not also the freedom to reap the bounty?

What was the US supposed to do? Exactly what they did. Take all those Nazi engineers and make them put Armstrong on the Moon.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:31 am

Lol.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:32 am

i appreciate that point you make about Europe and its borders. I really do.

But do you see that the US has taken on most of this pressure already? In terms not of culture, which is my point, but of immediate military threat?
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:34 am

barbarianhorde wrote:And sure, your own part of the world carries a not unsimilar weight there at the bottleneck.

Makes you wonder about leadership. What it has hitherto been presumed to require.


All in good time. First thing's first: if the US falls, we all fall.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby barbarianhorde » Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:48 am

No, I think thats no longer necessarily the case. Especially since Russia will seek harsh diplomacy rather than military invasion if the US falls away, Europe would stand a chance of becoming stronger. It has more than enough nuclear repellent, and allies across all kinds of shady territory, to not be in too much trouble. In fact a vacuum might be just the ticket to some fresh feelings of sovereignty.

There is zero functions dependency on the European central council. It determines fishing limits and such, not direct politics. All states have their independent governments working in complete secrecy. There is no real weakness. In fact the enormous effort to keep the stagnant equilibrium going is a sign of a great health. When it is relinquished, it will be either to make place for a war or a great thriving, like an eruption of life and truth as Greece is famous for.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby barbarianhorde » Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:50 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:i appreciate that point you make about Europe and its borders. I really do.

But do you see that the US has taken on most of this pressure already? In terms not of culture, which is my point, but of immediate military threat?

Against China, predominantly. And that is really a big thing. Chyna. A problem Nixon helped Mao create.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby barbarianhorde » Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:57 am

I wonder about the nuclear contingencies the Germans have in place.
They're of course disallowed from having nukes, and any significant army,
I don't know the regulations as to that, how they stand, but it is sure that no German industrialist would be content to just ... not have a nuclear weapon just in case push comes to shove.
That just wouldn't be very German now would it.

In soccer we have the saying, and in the end the Germans win, because they always used to score the winning goal in the 93th minute or some excruciatingly nazistic shit like that.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby barbarianhorde » Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:02 am

It is true that Trump has shown the world to be not entirely dependent on the US - but only as long as he is dealing with China.
He is doing us a yuge favour and the US could play a lot of leverage with this on us, this is true. But given it is also in their own interest to contain the China, it is only reasonable to expect of it that it does this. Its not like we have to thank it for taking care of itself. That wouldnt be very American.

If Nixon hadn't interfered, Moscow might have attacked Beijing. Mao was just trying to get American protection. They should be thankful.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:55 am

Yes, I do gather that is the European view of it.

What people don't realize is that that has been the European view of it since less than a decade after the 2nd world war. They were probably thinking of it during, once they had worked out what tank would move where and what not.

The only problem is that they have now successfully convinced most gringos of it. Not so much of it, bu rather of a million inconsequential things that suggest to them to take the courses of action that would suit it. Trump, no matter how smart Putin is, was a mistake.

He was. And the pushback has been... Admirable.

But I keep telling you. Nobody can escape economy. There is no chess but positional chess.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:02 am

Also, for the record, the US tried, tried very hard, to bring Europe on board. To work side to side. But no, they wanted the cake. Even Britain, in the end, though certain elements are coming back to their senses. We were even for the EU, for European progress. But no. You wanted more, didn't you?

It's ok. We have been ready for this for a long time. If Europe wants an adversarial position, we will be happy to provide it for them. Japan already figured all that shit out, they got miles on you. Steve fucking Jobs had to go and make life difficult for them. Gotta be a European plant, right? It changes nothing. If there is one country that is capable of making debt worth 200% of its GDP work, you can bet your ass it's Jay Pan.

Japanese diplomacy is one of the most beautiful, most subtle things I have ever seen.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:05 am

You know why Kissinger made China Great?

Because the number 1, overall, overriding value of the Chinese is reasonableness. Intent? Sure, who doesn't. But they never let a good plan get in the way of business.

Aw, shucks Putin. We do like him though. Motherfucker's got balls.

Btw, how do you think the Belt and Road initiative is going in Italy? They seem to have just the right mix of industriousness and shadyness to make it work with China.

Our door is always open, compadres. :wink:
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby barbarianhorde » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:45 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Also, for the record, the US tried, tried very hard, to bring Europe on board. To work side to side. But no, they wanted the cake. Even Britain, in the end, though certain elements are coming back to their senses. We were even for the EU, for European progress. But no. You wanted more, didn't you?

It's ok. We have been ready for this for a long time. If Europe wants an adversarial position, we will be happy to provide it for them. Japan already figured all that shit out, they got miles on you. Steve fucking Jobs had to go and make life difficult for them. Gotta be a European plant, right? It changes nothing. If there is one country that is capable of making debt worth 200% of its GDP work, you can bet your ass it's Jay Pan.

Japanese diplomacy is one of the most beautiful, most subtle things I have ever seen.

You really feel that much like a US citizen, do you? I find it hard to see you as one. You're too much Venezuelan and Quebec for me, I don't recognize the US in you. Id almost sooner see myself as an American. Just saying your trying to talk down on me from the US doesn't have the effect as when an actual American citizen does it. Like when a US citizen talks about Venezuela to me Im not under the impression he is a native.

Maybe you don't quite understand the EU and its history. Thats been a restraint, if that wasn't clear to you yet. Imposed on us by the Americans to separate us from the Russians. The reason of the Yugoslavia war, etcetera.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby barbarianhorde » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:50 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:You know why Kissinger made China Great?

Because the number 1, overall, overriding value of the Chinese is reasonableness.

Thats really not what I read in the history Kissinger describes with Mao.
It is rather that they felt it dangerous to let a country of close to a billion people be completely isolated. Too much of a liability. First of all because the Russians were the only ones they were sort of talking to.

Intent? Sure, who doesn't. But they never let a good plan get in the way of business.

Aw, shucks Putin. We do like him though. Motherfucker's got balls.

Btw, how do you think the Belt and Road initiative is going in Italy? They seem to have just the right mix of industriousness and shadyness to make it work with China.

No, it won't work. Theres going to be an enormous problem with the 5G network which has already started causing accidents. People feeling like they were hit with a brick going across the 5G highway.
Italy received some 10 billion for it, so they'll try to push it but it will simply murder a lot of people. Then they'll have to roll it back and the Chinese won't want to let them.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby barbarianhorde » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:56 am

A silly thing, but if you're getting into this greater-America vs Europe role playing then you forfeit your Spanish identity. Spain being Europe, America being its colony.

I always try to be as generous as I can but you don't register as both George Washington and the Duke of Alva at once. It is kind of a diluted, weak milk that way.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby barbarianhorde » Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:01 am

You consistently seek this military high ground but it is only there in actual tactical knowledge.

China wasn't reasonable. Mao was known as the least reasonable person on the planet with his outspoken readiness to go into a nuclear winter because of the great number of Chinese people of which a portion would always survive.
It was his legendary unreasonableness that made him capable of playing the US and the USSR against each other.
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