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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:48 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Jakob:

I think the more you accept genealogy and carefully look at it, the less it owns you or defines you and the more you can just look at it as a sandbox. Or a toolbox, if you prefer. Pivot points.


Lol, see? Pivot points. The plieeeege.

Continuity, Deleuze was also talking about continuity. The unfolding of the labyrinth. but see? How can you let mathematics in here? Predetermination, neh? However irrational. But no, it's not pivot commands, or even predictions of movement. It's pivot POINTS. Deleuze was even talking about how you can choose your own point at an intervening place.

It's interesting. There is also a duality, there are two labyrinths: of matter and of the soul-ah. so the soul labyrinth... Well he hasn't gone there yet, but presumably the soul series works off the pivot points of the matter series. That kinda works too. But there is something missing here. Will. the thing that pivots. Fuck. Am I gonna sit down here again and keep listening to Deleuze? I guess I am. Maybe I gotta remember: it's not about the series, it's about the fold.

But yeah, so far that's the difference I see. Deleuze is simply describing the genealogical progression. No mention yet of the toolbox that I mentioned. I guess in the end it's inconsequencial. The only pivots that will happen, the only expressions of will that transcend, will occur at the pivot points. The inflection points.

Yeah, that's good enough. That's good enough. Let's keep listening then, shall we? The irrational numbers aren't an insult, they are a compliment.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:50 am

Also worht remembering, deleuze is a gentleman. there is no universality here, it is all strictly within the genealogical study of the transcendence of the baroque.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:55 am

Ah... The inclusion. Infinite pliege is because it is included in. It is inside something. the line. hmm... That is the ultimate goal of the folded line. the sandbox? Let's see.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:56 am

"Je ne sais pas encore ou la line plie a l'infinite est incluse..."

Aha...

then he shrugs. Let's see what he says.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:00 am

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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:03 am

The question is from the inflection to the inclusion by means of the infinite series.

As an example, he gives: the predicate is included by the subject.

This... holy fuck let's keep listning.

"Has crossed the Rubicon" is contained by "Cesar."
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:05 am

The fold IS the fucking sandbox.

Holy fuck.

And the fold occurs in infinite progression by irrational numbers as the inflection points with which one plays, in the sandbox.

Mind blown yet?
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:11 am

It's hopeless, I gotta sleep. See you all next time.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:16 am

Goddamnit, this Deleuze is blowing my mind.

This is like reading advanced warfare tactics.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:21 am

Ok, he now legitimately brought forth a point I hadn't thought of.

The pivot points. Ok. The inflection points. alright. But now, the point of view from the concavity. The center region described by drawing perpendicular lines along the line of the curve.

I don't even know what this means yet. Like I said, I legitimately hadn't thought of it. Usually, when an unkown like this comes along, it is almost certain to be disappointing once it is revelaed. "Oh, he meant THAT..." But that's why we love Deleuze.

Jeepers creepers home boy.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:23 am

RIGHT! tHE INCLUSION FROM THE INFLECTION, THE POINT OF VIEW!

Holy goddamn shit. The matter, the stuff. That which is contained in the fold. Rather, we were looking for what cointains the curve. But don't you see? That IS what contains the curve. The stuff, the matter.

Ah, this fucking genious.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:24 am

You play WITH the thing that plays with. Infinite series of irregular folding.

Yes. This is good.

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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:27 am

This is the dynamics of will to power through genealogy, of evolution.

Learn it.

Lol. I may be getting carried away. But you must fall in love with what you learn. Even if you know the love will fade, or it even might not, but that is the only true way to learn.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:02 am

In the end, what brings down Deleuze is what brings down every French philosopher except Baudrillard, though it does constitute the cage Baudrillard broke by making it his crisis: He is contained by words.

To get out of him and keep his insights, one must remain within a continuity constituted by words. Leibniz doesn't have this problem. Because God, he is not God and no man is God and it is just the world and the grace of God. He was too wise to be contained by his own words, see? He knew that no matter how much he took from God, through the Grace of God, there would always be an infinity more. But because God was good and the infinity more would be good, he was happy. Affirmativist. The Devil, he had an idea about the Devil. But that's why the Grace of God was a specific thing, it was not all of everything and certainly not all of God. Direectioinality. Will to Power is, also, directionality. And, in a similar way, since infinity, which is ultimately contained by chaos, chaos is the cilindrical point of view Deleuze describes, the cilindrical and the conical, there is an infinity of good. for nietzsche, there was weakness in contrast to good. The world is hard stuff. That is what makes it awesome. It is actually there. There is no instead of nothing. It is that thing which is, which you are born to. Precedes, and encompasses, and every other operation words. But then what is the use of Chaos? Ah, just ask the greeks. From it came MAany Titans and even some Gods. Hahahaha. Damn. It is just for to be able to describe it, to name it. Stuff, a tree, a wall. these are things. But the other miriad intangible ones, the seemingly infinite dimensions of experience? do those not exist as well as much as that rock? That wall? Can all these things nt also be said not to exist, and infinite other operations?

But the fold. The inflection point. God is not the line or the inflection point or the fold. It is the infinity of points of view, of lines passing through points of view, conically and cilindrically. And then there are things that are not points of view, and this is true infinity, and this is only called chaos.

Ah. Yes. God is great, because there is no end. No containability. Just... pivot points, and a chaos. Yes, there is no escape through words. Will to Power. That is all the world is, and nothing besides

Enjoy. This life is gonna be fun.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby barbarianhorde » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:09 pm

French probably has a greater degree of untranslatability than any other language. It's too much about the joy of the word itself.

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Deleuze he is good to read with a girl in the room. Especially him and Guattari, the true student languish from the cool halls of Europe where life is given and thought just a luxury, but what a luxury. But the girl needs to be luxurious and luxuriating. Thats in general the only way to endure Socialism.
Her ready presence has to be telling you you're worth three times as much what you're getting out of reading that book.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby barbarianhorde » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:19 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Ok, he now legitimately brought forth a point I hadn't thought of.

The pivot points. Ok. The inflection points. alright. But now, the point of view from the concavity. The center region described by drawing perpendicular lines along the line of the curve.

I don't even know what this means yet.

Like a being is described by its values.

I did spend a good few summers with Deleuze.

Deleuze doesn't commit. He doesznt need to because he is French. This is how he lays the groundwork for - well, the resolution of German philosophy.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby barbarianhorde » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:21 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:This is the dynamics of will to power through genealogy, of evolution.

Learn it.

Lol. I may be getting carried away. But you must fall in love with what you learn. Even if you know the love will fade, or it even might not, but that is the only true way to learn.

You will not learn before you fall in love.

Hence again the requirement of French philosophy. A nursery for dancing stars.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:17 pm

Ok NOW Jupiter is retrograding.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:25 pm

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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:02 pm

Goddamnit what the FUCK.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:10 pm

Whoever is responsible for this should be hanged.

I'm sure if it was one of the Parisian workers working on the renovation he will go to the gallows voluntarily.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby barbarianhorde » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:43 pm

Wait, that spire is gone? I hated that spire. It didn't belong in the structure.

Heres my rule of masonry; any piece of a cathedral that doesn't survive a fire is doesn't belong in the structure.

Le Monde reports that the general structure is intact. If it weren't that would have really been pathetic. Cathedrals are built to be fortresses, last bastions in case of a barbarian invasion.

it will smell better inside now for sure.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:05 pm

Dang man, that's harsh.

They say the whole wooden frame will be gone. That was put together 700 years ago and had survived them all. This is a tragedy dog.

All the wooden shit that was inside? Did you ever go inside?

That's Paris man. That's downtown. Wtf.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby barbarianhorde » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:53 am

I did go inside during Kanyes first album, and I didn't like it. The cathedral itself has been a piece of my heart since I was there first when I was 8 with my dad... but Ive never been in a church that didn't make me want to retch. Except in Jerusalem. That was just too active, Russian-Greek orthodoxy is not lethargic. Maybe it just that the wood in these places has long been used for some cold winter. But in all churches otherwise the lethargy of the sinfulness creeps into the wood. So much stench. I swear. It is harsh but fuck it, I really don't like what goes on inside these churches at all. I wouldn't mind if the idols crack and the gold melts and comes dripping into the stone and rests there as the pure mineral of god it is - beyond, what is divine there is only the masonry. Im a Bitter Sea kind of hardliner where it concerns holy forms.
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