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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby barbarianhorde » Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:53 pm

Its a she.

I guess it rappers ears only.
You need to make that beat though.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:55 pm

Sure thing.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:07 pm

Let's see what happens with this first:

https://darkstarastrology.com/new-moon-april-2019/
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby barbarianhorde » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:36 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Sure thing.

Um.

Sure.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:01 pm

That came out wrong.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby barbarianhorde » Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:50 pm

wrong bing bong
dingelong dong
singalong song
king king kong
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:37 pm

Alright there, 9 inch nails of rap.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:47 pm

This is the first time in the ever that I have a job I can hold down for a good while, a steady pay check, my very own place, and nobody to boss me around. I have gone full beard and full hair.


My soul, after all these decades of insanity is (mostly) intact.


Nobody can tell me what to do, not you, not anybody.

I will enjoy that feeling for exactly as long as I feel like it.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:51 pm

Why did it take me so long?

Well, I used to have this idea that a group was better than an individual and that, obviously, you give up some decision making of your own in favour of the group's. I searched and I searched and I tried out different very worthy people to form a group. Better for several reasons: more fun, more powerful, more likely to not be insane.

It took a long time for me to give up on that. I don't regret it, I still think a bad ass group would have been better.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:17 pm

Groups are as important in a free society as individuals. They also stand against society.

What socialists want is not only the death of the individual, but also the death of the group. If you notice, the first thing they always do is eliminate all groups. They coopt some and create others that have a store front of a group, but they only survive as long as they are only really extentions of the government apparatus. Soviets in Russia, consejos communales and milicias in Venezuela, syndicates in every case, cadres and what not in Nazi Germany.

Because groups are, can only be, made up of individuals. They pool together the capital of their wills. And will, will is precisely the thing socialists hate most.

Take conversations with socialists I know.

PZR: What is your goal?
Socialist: Equality
PZR: But you yourself don't believe you are equal to, say, people that are downtrodden or people that are capitalist parasites.
Socialist: Yeah, I have come to accept that. The world isn't perfect.
PZR: Lol. Ok but so then, what is your goal?
Socialist: For people to do what they want. Freedom.
PZR: Some people want to kill other people. Some people want to accumulate and invest capital.
Socialist: Yeah, that's because they don't want the right things.
PZR: You can't be... Ok, so they have to be taught?
Socialist: Yeah, it's about education.
PZR: So your goal is to teach people what to want?
Socialist: Yeah, exactly.
PZR: I see...

Socialists fundamentally are uncomfortable with the fact of having a will. Individuals, groups, they are obscene reminders of its existence. What they want is for there to be a Society which takes the role of willing, the responsibility, the freedom. So they don't have to be reminded or worry about it.


Social contract? More like a mirriad super intricate web of millions of contracts existing in the most precarious of tensions.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby promethean75 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:20 pm

This is the first time in the ever that I have a job I can hold down for a good while, a steady pay check, my very own place, and nobody to boss me around. I have gone full beard and full hair.


oh hell yeah... the capitalist parasite you work for is gonna love you. he couldn't have asked for a more perfectly backward wage worker content with a few meager scraps.

that paycheck is not guaranteed to be 'steady', that place you live is not your own - you're paying rent... which means you're either paying some parasite's mortage, or putting even more profit in his pocket after he already profited from the labor of the workers who built the place - and your 'boss' is the inescapable circumstances you're now in; continue working a third of your day for far less than your worth, give all your money to your landlord and other private businesses that own the utilities you use (keep a few dollars for a pack of cigarettes and a six pack), get a credit card (because you're broke after bills) so you can go into debt buying shit you are subliminally convinced you need, and pay interest on every dollar you spend, or quit/lose your job and go live in a shelter (funded by other working class tax payers).

or you can.... (wait for it)... become a capitalist parasite yourself. if you can't beat em, join em.

PZR: What is your goal?
Socialist: Equality




(this is why a socialist can't have a debate/discussion about socialism with anyone but a socialist. none of em know wtf their talking about... and this is no mistake. it's taken a hundred years or more for capitalists to fill the public discourse with all kinds of bullshit about socialism so you don't dare go near it)
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby promethean75 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:31 pm

and a notable irony i never forget when i talk to people opposed to socialism; there is nothing about most of the simpletons that is so extraordinary that living in a socialist society would threaten them or make any fucking difference in their lives. in fact, it would make life better for these simpletons, who are by and large part of the working class, anyway. every bit of their opposition to socialism is nothing but a mass of hot air floating around in their heads... shit they got from the crap they read and watch on youtube.

the only one's who are in legitimate danger are the capitalists and investors, and their opposition is expected and appropriate. these guys don't want to work (sure, that's understandable), and the first thing socialism would do is put them to work so they can stop being parasites. instead of accepting this noble gesture to become something better, they'd prefer to live off the labor of others. it's at this point that they are excluded from the discourse; there is no reasoning with them. they have to be overcome by force.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby barbarianhorde » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:47 pm

PZR: What is your goal?
Socialist: Equality
PZR: But you yourself don't believe you are equal to, say, people that are downtrodden or people that are capitalist parasites.
Socialist: Yeah, I have come to accept that. The world isn't perfect.
PZR: Lol. Ok but so then, what is your goal?
Socialist: For people to do what they want. Freedom.
PZR: Some people want to kill other people. Some people want to accumulate and invest capital.
Socialist: Yeah, that's because they don't want the right things.
PZR: You can't be... Ok, so they have to be taught?
Socialist: Yeah, it's about education.
PZR: So your goal is to teach people what to want?
Socialist: Yeah, exactly.
PZR: I see...


I like this historical aphorisms.

And this is always been the way of civilization, which Weary Locomotive posited against culture, where the two are opposites, irreconcilable.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby barbarianhorde » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:50 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:My soul, after all these decades of insanity is (mostly) intact.

Image

I was really looking for the this is how they prove shit in the science meme but this one will do.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby promethean75 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:57 pm

And this is always been the way of civilization, which Weary Locomotive posited against culture, where the two are opposites, irreconcilable.


it was something about a factory chicken being inferior to a wild chicken. i have been permanently traumatized by WL's choice of analogy, and will never forget these haunting, though profound, words of wisdom.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby barbarianhorde » Sun Apr 14, 2019 9:39 pm

Yes, it was about the method.
Of killing, in this case.
He said method was all there is to any form of thought worth its salt. There is a lot of actual salt being used in a good thought.

If WL were on ILP now, and we would ask him if he approves of our methods, I expect his answer woud be something like this.

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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:24 pm

"continue working a third of your day for far less than your worth,"

Thanks man, that's cool of you to say.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:26 pm

You do know there is no way I'm watching that video?

I would rather shoot myself in the face then read, hear people talk about or even vaguely discuss Marx.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:28 pm

barbarianhorde wrote:I like this historical aphorisms


Actual real world conversation I have had twice already.

They are just confused in the head, socialists. Even THEY don't know what they want.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:30 pm

What matters is that WE, the lovers of freedom, know what they want.

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Socialists fundamentally are uncomfortable with the fact of having a will. Individuals, groups, they are obscene reminders of its existence. What they want is for there to be a Society which takes the role of willing, the responsibility, the freedom. So they don't have to be reminded or worry about it.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:33 pm

Like me, I have made several nuanced points about capitalism on here.

Zoot just answers nieh nieh I'm nauseaus, nieh nieh shill!

And zootallures is one of the smartest motherfuckers I know.

socialism. It's just a disease, man.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:57 pm

List of philosophers worth discussing:

Liebniz

Kierkegaard (it's never easy, though. fucking dude was deep)

Heraclitus

Parmenides (not for too long, though)

Nietzsche (it gets annoying though. people want to make it about who's the tough guy)

Abelard

Diogenes

Unamuno

José Manuel Briceño Guerrero (possibly only for Venezuelans though, was all about the philosophical underpinnings of the intersection between Africa, the injuns and the Spanish)

um....

Walter Benjamin

I'm sure there's more. There must be more.

Baudrillard

Laurelle

Guattari (beware of commies. this one is debatable. But no, motherfucker is fun to read when that annoying putz Deleuze goes away)

Ok fine, Deleuze. For an even briefer moment than Parmenides

Hume. Hume is fine.

Foucault... I guess... He was so self-important in how he wrote.... Like cmon man... Thats the thing with gays, they always want to impress people. Smart sonofabitch though.

Um....

Plate. Not anything he wrote, but it's fun to try to imagine the type of guy he was.

Lessee... Hmm.... Yeah. Seems about right.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:00 am

Zizek. But it's a bit masturbatory. Thing about Zizek is that he is a legitimate fan of philosophy.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:01 am

Let's bring it down to Earth, as iambiguous would say.

What was it that nietzsche destroyed philosophy with and made it into a new thing?

He changed the question from what is? to what matters?

So zoot. What does matter?
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