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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Mowk » Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:36 am

Hello Pedro? Did you get that printer working?

What's on your mind? What have you been up to lately?

Doing anything you feel is important? Any family left? Any hobbies?

Any experiments you've been working on? Any challenges in your job? I'm curious. I've been reading along but haven't found a lot of answers to those sorts of questions.

Sorry to distract, but it seems like you'd appreciate the distraction? What's got you so obsessed?

IT's got to be something going on. Maybe a fresh perspective? Someone new to argue with who doesn't think they know you that well, to talk to. Maybe I could learn something too. I'd say that would be the most likely outcome, yes. I could offer some artistic perspective, not from a done sort of approach but from a learned sort of approach. It was a long time ago but I am sort of surprised how much still pops in. There are a lot of associations there. I'd hope to make it worth your while.

Art is a mirror to politics, perhaps even a predecessor. The object as artifact can get in the way. You initiate and I'll be the viewer that completes.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:17 pm

The printer was never malfunctioning, it was a metaphor for all the little things IT can't seem to be able to fix.

To be 100% honest, re-reading your poem with my interpretation was one of the funniest things I've ever seen in a while. That's really not far from how IT sees themselves.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:24 pm

For the benefit of our readers:

Mowk wrote:"IT" transpires from within, and shows ITs growth through the highest creation. IT lifts others through it's self and not for IT's own.
"IT" lives the culmination of all other possible incarnations, creations of all that has ever been measured in the immortal chalice, that becomes eternally manifest in the immeasurable present.
"IT" is an idea that can not die, because IT is always being born.

Grace, this IT that is manifest. This IT that IS.


Pedro I Rengel wrote:Yet IT still can't get the fucking printer to work right.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Mowk » Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:09 pm

To be honest it wasn't my poem. Meno originally wrote it. I slightly altered the wording.

And yes, your addition did add a measure of levity. Roger that.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:37 pm

Lol, it was fn hillarious
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Fixed Cross » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:03 am

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Re: Pedro's Corner

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Re: Pedro's Corner

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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:13 am

But I only win because i don't see them as such.

I win by seeing genealogies.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:21 am

Everybody wants to be a discrete coherence. By taking that away from them, I gain the advantage. On good days, I estimate I play at 2100 level.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:27 am

Even, as you know, my game being just one single convoluted structure. But it is not a testament to structure, it is a testament to building. I am proud of the thing I built. That takes something. I read something in the game. I will tire of it some day. But as of now, I feel a little bit like the man in Gay Science who has a thought.

I am also relatively convinced, not having seen more than 1 in 1000 examples of people using, not the same, but a similar structure, that it is in fact original.

Then, of course, you have Magnus. I watched one of his tournaments on lichess recently, and we were all flaberggasted at the absolute disdain for opening he displayd while demolishing top-10 world champions.

Hey, it is an honor to be insulted by such a man. Have you ever watched one? It is a privilege, no other word. Like watching Trump.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:30 am

He does prove your self-valuing point though. There can be no genealogy in the chaos he creates. But then, from the chaos, suddenly a maddening self-valuing exists, on-coming like a freight-train, often from ridiculous cliffs. Omg.

I'm not saying I'm more right. If I look, I have probably been more astonished by self-valuings than genealogies. That is greatness displaying itself.

But who is the greedier, Jupiter or Saturn?
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:31 am

Another way to ask that: who takes more beatings?
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:33 am

But then... Can there be a more discrete self-valuing than Mike Tyson?

And yet, he became that by performing one of the most detailed genealogical studies of boxing ever undertaken.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:40 am

People love to hate on Magnus, because he's so messy, but onlike the old guard he always plays to win. When he is facing a worthy oponnent who is playing for a draw or in general not necessarily to win, you can smell the frustration. those are the ones he is likeliest to lose.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:43 am

It's like he has visions man, it's...

I saw one once, I can't even describe it. Holy Moley.

He was somewhere dee

Aw, I can't do it. Jesus Christ. None of us watching will ever forget it.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:55 am

Like look. I haven't seen so many Fisher games. But when he does his unexpected crazy, you can always trace it back. Oh, THIS was what was happening. And that is the joy. But with Carlsen, You would have to trace back the entire history of chess. There is no THIS is what was happening. Just... Just THIS is what is happening. Barely.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:58 am

The most common comment on that tournament was: what did I just see?
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:59 am

Like a tickle. Is a tickle ever truly there?

And BAM.

The noose is alredy tight and you didn't even see it pulled over your head. Except it wasn't Magnus pulling it. It was the entire history of Chess.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:04 am

People that beat him, they don't see his structures. They just smell his mood. They trace the unaccountable moment. It is a build-up like a movie, not a set-up like a strategy.

Nah, he can be traced. But only by economy, not by wit. Yes you do see hooks, you just could not ever possibly fathom what they will do. Smart players don't wonder, they just fend.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:07 am

Mark Twain once said there are two types of intelligence. The type that discourages, makes you feel like a fool, and the type that dazzles and encourages. Like it's showing you the heights, rather than beating you with a clever trained sword.

Eisntein would have immediately understood his point. I think they had the same haircut, too.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:10 am

People tend to prefer swords to cliffs. Mostly, because swords are easier.

That's one reason they find rap offensive. "Hey, he's not even TRYING to make me feel like shit!"
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:12 am

Blood thirsty bastards prefer strong opponents.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Fixed Cross » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:10 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:But I only win because i don't see them as such.

I win by seeing genealogies.

Yeah these are more significant as they run through time. A genealogy as a self-valuing through time.
But I don't want to take away from the useful (valuable, beautiful) distinction.
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Re: Pedro's Corner

Postby Fixed Cross » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:12 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Everybody wants to be a discrete coherence. By taking that away from them, I gain the advantage. On good days, I estimate I play at 2100 level.

I mostly want to be an attack. But sure, an attack has to be a claw, so a coherence.
Im just approaching 1500 in blitz now and thats very satisfying. Actual chess is being played sometimes, rather than stacking of ugly errors.
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