A Dialogue With Promethean

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Re: A Dialogue With Promethean

Postby Jakob » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:55 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Caveman 1 has no need to have any notion of justice, and therefore injustice. But the fact remains. Ol' 2 beat him down and took his cave. He feels SOMETHING.

Yes, he probably feels shitty.
When this shitty feeling recurs, becoming a kind of thing in itself, I think it is valid to call it resentment.

resent (v.)
"take (something) ill; be in some degree angry or provoked at," c. 1600, from French ressentir "feel pain, regret," from Old French resentir "feel again, feel in turn" (13c.), from re-, intensive prefix, + sentir "to feel," from Latin sentire (see sense (n.)). Related: Resented; resenting.

Morality hasn't entered the picture here. As morality is, besides judgments, also about organizing responses. Caveman 1 has no power to come up with a response, let alone invoke a systemic one.
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Re: A Dialogue With Promethean

Postby Jakob » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:37 pm

I suppose this is Nietzsches reason for the Eternal Recurrence. An bruteforced inversion of resentment; the recurring image of a great justice, underpinning and pervading existence, based on ones own physiological affirmation of all that ones knows.

The effects of this differ per type;
To become more selective about what one knows, to be compelled to rule, to find a niche in the whole and become a happy criminal, to collapse in dread and retrieve god, to go through ever shifting phases of identity, to be a scientist, or do this --

where the original resentment is to be compelled to avenge, to try to interfere with everything, to be an unhappy and unfair law abiding citizen, to disbelieve in any justices and divinities, and to cling on to one phase of existence, to be a hack.
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Re: A Dialogue With Promethean

Postby promethean75 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:47 pm

you don't fool me, jakob milikowski. i know all about you. i know you moonlight as a lead singer for a heavy metal band when you aren't hanging out with pedro during the day.

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Re: A Dialogue With Promethean

Postby Jakob » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:21 pm

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Re: A Dialogue With Promethean

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:55 am

I came in to share some thoughts, ended up getting bogged down by shit. But at least I got a straight death threat out of it. What did you get? Snide comments and Judas Priest videos.

You gotta work on your approach.
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Re: A Dialogue With Promethean

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:09 am

Anyway, I dunno. I'm as susceptible to resentment as anybody. Like Nietzsche said, it is always the first instinct. All you can do is deny it and let it pass.

That's why it's also such a good test.

But as far as owning the resentment goes, I actually respect promethean. He's what I consider to be a true communist, consequent and dedicated. Not like 99% of them which are weak faggots. An enmity like that is worth having, however symbolic.

Just uh. Well, that's the amount of respect and honour I can dedicate to him. I do miss Zoot, but if he's gonna go dark, I would rather he go full dark. It gives me hope. Balls are always more important than being right.
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Re: A Dialogue With Promethean

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:21 am

But it is a motherfucking shame he doesn't see. The gold. The bounty.

FUCK communists. Give me pirates.
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Re: A Dialogue With Promethean

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:25 am

As long as we're on the subject though, and to tie it all up with the Limbaugh videos I opened with.

The problem today, the task, is one of economy of nervous energy. I have come here with some very subtle and nuanced points, very intelligent shit. In some cases they have not been addressed because of simple lack of capacity for such intelligence. But in a number of cases it has simply been because their economy of nervous energy is all fucked up, they got leaks like crazy, investing a shitload in all sorts of sad places. They just don't have enough free energy to employ on actual intelligence.

You don't need to uplift humanity's intelligence. And if a man is a coward, he is a coward, you can't teach them balls either. The task is rearranging the economy of nervous energy. If they are going to succeed or fail, let them succeed or fail at the peak of their capacities.
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Re: A Dialogue With Promethean

Postby Jakob » Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:42 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:As long as we're on the subject though, and to tie it all up with the Limbaugh videos I opened with.

The problem today, the task, is one of economy of nervous energy.

The problem or the opportunity?

I have come here with some very subtle and nuanced points, very intelligent shit. In some cases they have not been addressed because of simple lack of capacity for such intelligence.

In the great majority of cases.
This is what I have referred to in the past as aphoristic posts, they aren't there necessarily for the addressee. This place is a library of perhaps unparalleled aphoristic wealth.

But in a number of cases it has simply been because their economy of nervous energy is all fucked up, they got leaks like crazy, investing a shitload in all sorts of sad places. They just don't have enough free energy to employ on actual intelligence.

Yes, exactly, this leaking. I saw that image of it too.
they just leak ooze in a non conscious attempt at emptying their suboptimally wired brains.

You don't need to uplift humanity's intelligence. And if a man is a coward, he is a coward, you can't teach them balls either. The task is rearranging the economy of nervous energy. If they are going to succeed or fail, let them succeed or fail at the peak of their capacities.

I don't need to do anything. I see a resource in the utterly klutzed way the human species has arranged its nervous energies. My ideas are all investment plans, thats what philosophy must be, no?

I agree that promethean is the 99 percent real communist of this whole socialist category here on ilp. He is only topped by Ecmandu and the truly sincere class warriors which aren't political in their rhetoric but sociological. Zoot has some experience here, even though he lets Marx regulate his interpretation of it.

It is unfortunate how the big narrators usurp what could be more subtle wars.
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Re: A Dialogue With Promethean

Postby Jakob » Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:54 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:FUCK communists. Give me pirates.



they put the Spanish harshly to shame
their screams were heard in Spain
Piet Hein, Piet Hein, his name is small
his deeds are great, his deeds are great
he has won the silver fleet
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Re: A Dialogue With Promethean

Postby Jakob » Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:30 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:I came in to share some thoughts, ended up getting bogged down by shit. But at least I got a straight death threat out of it. What did you get? Snide comments and Judas Priest videos.

You gotta work on your approach.

I take it that promethean is more afraid of reading my posts than yours. In one of the past days I even gave him an opportunity to catch me on an inaccuracy about the USSR but he didn't catch it. Meaning he didn't read my posts, I think.

Neither do any of the other fascists seem to actually read my posts.
I take it that reading them in the past has hurt them too much to try it again.
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Re: A Dialogue With Promethean

Postby Jakob » Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:45 pm

Jakob wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:FUCK communists. Give me pirates.




This version of this song gives me so much joy.

It is a children's song directly from the pirate age, we sang it in school and so, or my grandmother taught it to me, but I hadn't heard it in decades.

Well, Dutch blood
that blood still has courage
we may not be big, we may not be big
but we would win the silver armada.
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Re: A Dialogue With Promethean

Postby promethean75 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:28 pm

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Re: A Dialogue With Promethean

Postby Serendipper » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:33 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:By the way, I slept on the downtown benches of the most dangerous city on this planet. Your shit doesn't impress me.

That just means you have nothing to steal and are too ugly to rape. Ping me when you've something to boast about... like working in the hood for years with $1000s of tools and where one misstep would break your neck... and doing it because you want to, not because you've no other choice. Then maybe you'll have an instance of bravery to brag about.
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Re: A Dialogue With Promethean

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:58 pm

Pedro I Rengel,

Balls are always more important than being right.


Do you mean to say needing to "feel" right though we may not be?

But isn't "truth" and "right action" the real incentive for their use?
Otherwise, they are just a way to show off, ego, and to be reckless for no good reason, except as a catharsis and to rid ourselves of angst.

Perhaps you are just speaking of playful, picayune stuff.
“How can a bird that is born for joy
Sit in a cage and sing?”
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“Little Fly
Thy summers play,
My thoughtless hand
Has brush'd away.

Am not I
A fly like thee?
Or art not thou
A man like me?

For I dance
And drink & sing:
Till some blind hand
Shall brush my wing.

If thought is life
And strength & breath:
And the want
Of thought is death;

Then am I
A happy fly,
If I live,
Or if I die”
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Re: A Dialogue With Promethean

Postby promethean75 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:34 pm

i'm sorry, did you just say 'picayune'?

don't do that, arc. only guide uses words like that and you see where that got him. this man is going to give himself a heart attack trying to teach us anything. do you want to be that smart and stress yourself out trying to educate rabble like us? i didn't think so. next time use a synonym that's been used in this century in something other than a great american classics anthology, please.
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Re: A Dialogue With Promethean

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:49 pm

promethean75 wrote:i'm sorry, did you just say 'picayune'?

don't do that, arc. only guide uses words like that and you see where that got him. this man is going to give himself a heart attack trying to teach us anything. do you want to be that smart and stress yourself out trying to educate rabble like us? i didn't think so. next time use a synonym that's been used in this century in something other than a great american classics anthology, please.


That really made me laugh out loud. Thank you for the elephantine advice. I shall keep your warning in mind and I so greatly appreciate your looking after my physical and emotional welfare, promethean.

It must be such a relief for you to not uphold the rules of grammar. :evilfun:
That alone might stress me out just a wee bit. Impeccability or insecurity - probably just more of the same picayune stuff.
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“How can a bird that is born for joy
Sit in a cage and sing?”
― William Blake


“Little Fly
Thy summers play,
My thoughtless hand
Has brush'd away.

Am not I
A fly like thee?
Or art not thou
A man like me?

For I dance
And drink & sing:
Till some blind hand
Shall brush my wing.

If thought is life
And strength & breath:
And the want
Of thought is death;

Then am I
A happy fly,
If I live,
Or if I die”
― William Blake, Songs of Innocence and of Experience


“No bird soars too high if he soars with his own wings.”
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Re: A Dialogue With Promethean

Postby promethean75 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:58 pm

It must be such a relief for you to not uphold the rules of grammar.


who me? hey i ain't the philosopher. they're the guys who take a perfectly normal statement and turn it into a plate of philosophical scrambled eggs. half the time they don't even understand what they mean... much less the other guy who reads it.

i can't believe you just compared me to a philosopher. i think i'm gonna go ahead and unfriend you now, arc.
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Re: A Dialogue With Promethean

Postby Jakob » Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:07 pm

Philosophers dont tend to be or appear normal at any stage in their lives.
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Re: A Dialogue With Promethean

Postby Jakob » Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:09 pm

Normal. Normal sized styrofoam cup full of horseshit.
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