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Re: Chesslings

Postby barbarianhorde » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:15 am

new opening

1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 f5 3. a3 Nf6 4. b4 d6 5. Qb3 Be7 6. Nf3 O-O 7. Ng5 Kh8 8. c5 h6 9. Nf7+ { Black resigns. } 1-0
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Re: Chesslings

Postby promethean75 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:22 pm

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White's move (me). What do you do? Hint: a bait move. But what?
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:05 pm

rook takes knight looks appealing. q h 5 mate is threatened.
....rook X rook and the q soon destroys things
....pawn x rook leads to qh5, then h7

black can ignore the knight capture and move the queen to get an escape, but destruction follows....
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Re: Chesslings

Postby promethean75 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:42 pm

indeed. you're right, we've got options. bait move white knight to f7 would be premature at this point. if she sees the bait, she'll not take the knight and instead move rook to h8. now we've got a knight in danger, as well as the h file being controlled by that rook. we'd now not be able to put white queen to h5... which is what we want. f6 seems to be the square where the exchanges will occur, so we should move white queen to f3 and see what she does. she'll likely bring black knight to c6 to block that diagonal to her rook. we'd then bring white knight to d5. fortunately her own pawns are preventing her queen from quickly mobilizing to the right side of the board, but she's a'comin... so we've got to act fast if we're going to do this.
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Re: Chesslings

Postby promethean75 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:00 am

ol' alla took the bait, karp. Figured she would... she's still a novice. That's mate in two moves. I told her to give me three weeks and I'd turn her into an alla Fischer.
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sat Mar 02, 2019 4:43 am

Pshhh...

Knight to h7.
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Re: Chesslings

Postby promethean75 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:14 am

What do you do if black doesn't take the bait and move rook to h8? You can't bring your queen to h5 to protect it because of black's knight. Know what you'll do if she moves rook to h8? You'll move that bait knight right the fuck back to where it was.

Now I did move knight to h7 because my opponent was a novice.... but that shit wouldn't work on an experienced player.

And you come in here talkin' bout 'pshhh'. Yeah you gonna pshhh alright... pshhh that knight right back to g5.
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:29 pm

Nonsense. I would expect my opponent to move the rook h8. And they would already be playing my game.

Take the knight. What are you so insecure you can't have the pawn facing an empty square? The position is improved manyfold, if the enemy is defending, swinging wildly the sword there, that's a good place.

Rook takes the pawn. Now they have to deal with a passed pawn on 6, rook on the king's ass, and the queen just waiting, hanging back with a crooked smile on her face.
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Re: Chesslings

Postby promethean75 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:16 pm

i understand your logic and the order of moves. problem is, that passed pawn won't stand as there is nothing there to defend it... and when it gets taken by the queen, the seventh rank will then be clear for her. also, when queen takes passed pawn, white will be in check... use it's turn to get out of check (wasted move), and then black puts pressure on rook which is not protected. white then uses turn to retreat rook. you see here black is steadily developing while white is regressing.

in any case, your idea opens the seventh rank for the queen. this eliminates any chance for a mate on white's king side.
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Re: Chesslings

Postby promethean75 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:33 pm

... and let's say we do it. Queen takes passed pawn, then white blocks check with knight. What happens next? Black advances pawn... white knight cannot move because it's pinned against king, and pawn takes knight.

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Re: Chesslings

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:28 am

Not sure why you insist the passed pawn is so vulnerable. that's the beauty of it, all that black now has to invest to deal with it. Ok so I took the knight with knight, pawn takes, tell me, what can't white do?

Why not queen on 4 or 2 or knight on 5? Suddenly, white is weighing a unierse of attack possibilities while black is just shitting bricks how to hunt that pawn without everything else getting out of hand.

That is one badly placed king there.
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:35 am

Simplest thing to get that Queen to move and take pawn on f6. It breaks the entire position of black. Then you can even piggy back on that pawn to get the rook on 7.

It just does not look good for black.

Your forward reading is - like - linear, dude.
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:37 am

Only the extremest of violence, which I have only seen one certain member of this forum do, can overcome the strictest of positional chess.

Read a 1000 moves, hatch a million plans. No excaping economy.

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Re: Chesslings

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:39 am

Yes, that's what I'm going with. After pawn takes knight, knight to d5.

Now vat?
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:42 am

I could always do Queen f3, but it's always nice to pack the knights in there as much as possible. Like wolves smelling blood, sensing a kill.

Anyway, I guess my point is just that, even though that pawn is really sexy there with the opposing black one, king all entrapped, Absolutely nothing is lost and everything is gained by opening that square. Only perhaps the illusion of more space.
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Jakob » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:37 am

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Re: Chesslings

Postby Jakob » Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:44 pm

Just take the goddamn horse ya fag
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Re: Chesslings

Postby promethean75 » Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:31 pm

That game's been over for a week. Where the fuck have you been?

And don't underestimate alla. She's picked up a few tricks in the last month. Bet she won't fall for that again.
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