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Chesslings

Postby Jakob » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:27 am

Possession vs Position

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Re: Chesslings

Postby Meno_ » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:58 pm

.c6-e5
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Fixed Cross » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:39 pm

a follow up to knight e5

white queen to h5 check
black pawn to g6
bishop takes g6 check
pawn takes g6
queen takes g6 check
king has to move and rook takes black queen.
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Meno_ » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:32 am

Oops of course you knew it and did not annotate this immediately leaving me to think I have it right. Not that its about winning or loosing. I did not have a board and its not about winning at this stage but really would you or could you put yourself into this position?

Or is there one even at this stage?

I'm drunk on absinthe straight 130 proof and I'm sure you don't care about the position mine, and after correspondence knowing you can not solve my untenable position not by a long shot , maybe to satisfy some curiosity,

Watching on the road the film and thinking. What mmm ow what now what is the untanBle position , and no one but no one can advise on it.

But forget the innuendo and if there is an ending which appears vey remote now, but if there may be one lets continue and let me keep on guessing.
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Meno_ » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:07 am

So let me be searching for the right move but without any hint if there is one. Is there one? Don't tell me.
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Meno_ » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:38 am

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Re: Chesslings

Postby Fixed Cross » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:48 am

As the horizon gleams now it seems there is no hope only doom. I had to think about your stratagem for a good while and then I decided the checking option was viable. In the real game he played something else and doom ensued equally. Perhaps some future genius will be able to win the match for black but this is the game as it was played yesterday between me and a loser who shall remain unknown. A King of Gauls.


1
Nf3
d5
2
d3
Nc6
3
Nc3
e5
4
Be3
d4
5
Bхd4
eхd4
6
Ne4
Bg4
7
e3
Nf6
8
Be2
Bхf3
9
Bхf3
Nхe4
10
Bхe4
Qd6
11
Qg4
dхe3
12
fхe3
Qb4+
13
c3
Qхb2
14
O-O
Qхc3
15
Qf3
f6
16
Rac1
Qd2
17
Bхc6+
bхc6
18
Qхc6+
Ke7
19
Qe4+
Kf7
20
Qхa8
Qхe3+
21
Kh1
Bc5
22
Qd5+
Ke7
23
Rfe1
1-0
Black resigned
White is victorious
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Meno_ » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:06 pm

From the looks of this set up , Your suggestion of a supercomputer or a genius perhaps capable of solution on top of Your other suggestion ,, leads to another implication that again, You may have had the answer to the knight move being erroneous all along
.

You agreed with the knight move only to disprove it , and my feeling is that You were quite aware of that bad move immediately, but waited as if to give the impression that the move was yet untested.

Now if the terrible position was an intentional clever ploy, on part of some master or master computer , to set this up so brilliantly, the set up may be a de facto level of playing deserving theabel of master or master intelligence.

However , if the above scenario is not correc, t then all bets are off, and I don't care how many moves the search goes back to find an error, or a stream of errors, there is no implicitness of higher functioning because supercomputers are able at this time to defeat any human master
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It really can not be admitted that any such scenario is yet present in artificial or human intelligence" therefore it is worth now at this moment to decide. wether other then a hunch, this may be the case.

On that slim argument , tending toward the former suggestion its quite possible to find some satisfactory answer , therefore a further look at this apparently bad position is worth a second look.

Maybe the suggestive nature of the presentation of this is position more than a a far strung implication.
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Meno_ » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:56 pm

Maybe c3-e5
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Meno_ » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:21 pm

I will try to work this move and I don't expect You to so the work that I should be doing , but right now I am going through marital problems and habe a lot on my plate. I will get to this move later on today possibly. Other than this move there does not appear to be anything else viable. But maybe I'm not seeing it.
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Meno_ » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:19 pm

Latest fix by Google Al -in only 4 hours it learned all of chess history!

AlphaZero beat the leading computer -Stockfish 25%of the time playing white, 3 playing black, and drew the remaining with no wins for Stockfish.

After being thought only rudimentary badics!
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Fixed Cross » Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:32 am

playing chess against a computer for a while after against humans shows death.

Lols aren't possible.


1
e4
+0.1
e5
1...e62.d4d53.Nd2c54.Ngf3cxd45.exd5
2
d4
-0.2
Qf6
3
Nf3
exd4
4
Bg5
+0.4
Qg6
5
Qxd4
Nc6
6
Qc4
Nge7
7
Nc3
b6
8
O-O-O
f6
9
Bd3
-1.1
fxg5
10
Rhe1
d6
11
e5
d5
12
Bxg6+

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Re: Chesslings

Postby Fixed Cross » Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:42 am

my losses aren't as funny to me and yet I doubt not there is much merriment
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