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Chesslings

Postby Jakob » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:27 am

Possession vs Position

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Re: Chesslings

Postby Meno_ » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:58 pm

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Re: Chesslings

Postby Fixed Cross » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:39 pm

a follow up to knight e5

white queen to h5 check
black pawn to g6
bishop takes g6 check
pawn takes g6
queen takes g6 check
king has to move and rook takes black queen.
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Meno_ » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:32 am

Oops of course you knew it and did not annotate this immediately leaving me to think I have it right. Not that its about winning or loosing. I did not have a board and its not about winning at this stage but really would you or could you put yourself into this position?

Or is there one even at this stage?

I'm drunk on absinthe straight 130 proof and I'm sure you don't care about the position mine, and after correspondence knowing you can not solve my untenable position not by a long shot , maybe to satisfy some curiosity,

Watching on the road the film and thinking. What mmm ow what now what is the untanBle position , and no one but no one can advise on it.

But forget the innuendo and if there is an ending which appears vey remote now, but if there may be one lets continue and let me keep on guessing.
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Meno_ » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:07 am

So let me be searching for the right move but without any hint if there is one. Is there one? Don't tell me.
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Meno_ » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:38 am

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Re: Chesslings

Postby Fixed Cross » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:48 am

As the horizon gleams now it seems there is no hope only doom. I had to think about your stratagem for a good while and then I decided the checking option was viable. In the real game he played something else and doom ensued equally. Perhaps some future genius will be able to win the match for black but this is the game as it was played yesterday between me and a loser who shall remain unknown. A King of Gauls.


1
Nf3
d5
2
d3
Nc6
3
Nc3
e5
4
Be3
d4
5
Bхd4
eхd4
6
Ne4
Bg4
7
e3
Nf6
8
Be2
Bхf3
9
Bхf3
Nхe4
10
Bхe4
Qd6
11
Qg4
dхe3
12
fхe3
Qb4+
13
c3
Qхb2
14
O-O
Qхc3
15
Qf3
f6
16
Rac1
Qd2
17
Bхc6+
bхc6
18
Qхc6+
Ke7
19
Qe4+
Kf7
20
Qхa8
Qхe3+
21
Kh1
Bc5
22
Qd5+
Ke7
23
Rfe1
1-0
Black resigned
White is victorious
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Meno_ » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:06 pm

From the looks of this set up , Your suggestion of a supercomputer or a genius perhaps capable of solution on top of Your other suggestion ,, leads to another implication that again, You may have had the answer to the knight move being erroneous all along
.

You agreed with the knight move only to disprove it , and my feeling is that You were quite aware of that bad move immediately, but waited as if to give the impression that the move was yet untested.

Now if the terrible position was an intentional clever ploy, on part of some master or master computer , to set this up so brilliantly, the set up may be a de facto level of playing deserving theabel of master or master intelligence.

However , if the above scenario is not correc, t then all bets are off, and I don't care how many moves the search goes back to find an error, or a stream of errors, there is no implicitness of higher functioning because supercomputers are able at this time to defeat any human master
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It really can not be admitted that any such scenario is yet present in artificial or human intelligence" therefore it is worth now at this moment to decide. wether other then a hunch, this may be the case.

On that slim argument , tending toward the former suggestion its quite possible to find some satisfactory answer , therefore a further look at this apparently bad position is worth a second look.

Maybe the suggestive nature of the presentation of this is position more than a a far strung implication.
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Meno_ » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:56 pm

Maybe c3-e5
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Meno_ » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:21 pm

I will try to work this move and I don't expect You to so the work that I should be doing , but right now I am going through marital problems and habe a lot on my plate. I will get to this move later on today possibly. Other than this move there does not appear to be anything else viable. But maybe I'm not seeing it.
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Meno_ » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:19 pm

Latest fix by Google Al -in only 4 hours it learned all of chess history!

AlphaZero beat the leading computer -Stockfish 25%of the time playing white, 3 playing black, and drew the remaining with no wins for Stockfish.

After being thought only rudimentary badics!
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Fixed Cross » Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:32 am

playing chess against a computer for a while after against humans shows death.

Lols aren't possible.


1
e4
+0.1
e5
1...e62.d4d53.Nd2c54.Ngf3cxd45.exd5
2
d4
-0.2
Qf6
3
Nf3
exd4
4
Bg5
+0.4
Qg6
5
Qxd4
Nc6
6
Qc4
Nge7
7
Nc3
b6
8
O-O-O
f6
9
Bd3
-1.1
fxg5
10
Rhe1
d6
11
e5
d5
12
Bxg6+

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Re: Chesslings

Postby Fixed Cross » Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:42 am

my losses aren't as funny to me and yet I doubt not there is much merriment
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Meno_ » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:05 am

Fixed Cross wrote:my losses aren't as funny to me and yet I doubt not there is much merriment


Now You can imagine how the masters feel who think they were betrayed. Bobby Fisher earned 3,500,000.00 for his Belgrade win.
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:41 pm

Well deserved.
How is Belgrade?

Look at this ridiculous game.

1. b3 e5 { A01 Nimzo-Larsen Attack: Modern Variation } 2. d4 f6 3. Bb2 Bd6 4. e3 Qe7 5. Bc4 Nc6 6. Nf3 Bb4+ 7. Nc3 Bxc3+ 8. Bxc3 a6 9. d5 b5 10. Bd3 Na7 11. Qd2 d6 12. O-O Bb7 13. Bf5 Nh6 14. Be6 c6 15. Bb4 c5 16. Ba5 Bc8 17. c4 Bxe6 18. dxe6 Qxe6 19. cxb5 axb5 20. b4 Nc6 21. Nh4 O-O 22. e4 g5 23. Nf5 Nxf5 24. exf5 Qd7 25. Qd5+ Kg7 26. Qf3 Ne7 27. g4 c4 28. Bb6 Ra4 29. a3 Ra6 30. Be3 d5 31. Bc5 e4 32. Qc3 Re8 33. Bd4 Ng8 34. Qh3 Nh6 35. Qh5 Rea8 36. Bxf6+ Kxf6 37. Qxh6+ Kf7 38. Qxh7+ Ke8 39. Qxd7+ Kxd7 40. f4 Ke7 41. fxg5 Kf7 42. g6+ Kg7 43. g5 e3 44. h4 d4 45. h5 d3 46. h6+ Kh8 47. g7+ Kg8 48. f6 e2 49. Rfe1 Rd6 50. Kf2 d2 51. g6 d1=Q 52. h7# { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Meno_ » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:35 pm

Bobby Fisher was homeless in downtown Los Angeles also, had a Hungarian chess master girlfriend while in Budapest.He passed in Reikavik and believe one of his parents was Hungarian.I will look into the game and try get back.
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Fixed Cross » Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:35 pm

Ive been through Reykyavik airport a few times. You can look out over the rocky earth surface and get some view of Iceland. I also know an Icelandic girl, and their runes. But I need to still go to it and bathe in geysers.

Played a very bad defence, looked like I was going to get stupidly mated but sneaked away out at great cost and then still managed to win.

1. e4 e5 2. b3 { C20 King's Pawn Opening: 2.b3 } Nc6 3. Bb2 Nf6 4. d3 d5 5. exd5 Qxd5 6. Nc3 Qd8 7. Qe2 Bb4 8. O-O-O O-O 9. Ne4 Nd4 10. Bxd4 exd4 11. f4 Nxe4 12. Qxe4 Re8 13. Qf3 Bc3 14. Be2 Qd6 15. Rd2 Qa3+ 16. Kd1 Qxa2 17. Ke1 Qb1+ 18. Kf2 Bxd2 19. Bd1 Be1+ 20. Kf1 Re3 21. Qd5 g6 22. Qd8+ Kg7 23. Qxd4+ Kf8 24. Qxe3 Qxd1 25. Qxe1 Qxc2 26. Nf3 Qxd3+ 27. Kg1 Qxb3 28. Ng5 Qb6+ 29. Kf1 Kg7 30. Qe5+ f6 31. Qe7+ { Black resigns. } 1-0
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Fixed Cross » Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:37 pm

a fun quick win

1. d4 d6 2. e4 { B07 Pirc Defense #5 } d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Nf6 5. Bd3 Bg4 6. Nf3 Bxf3 7. Qxf3 Qxd4 8. O-O h6 9. Nxf6+ Qxf6 10. Qxb7 Qc6 11. Qc8# { White wins by checkmate. } 1-0
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Meno_ » Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:39 pm

I don't have a descent board now, but soon I will get one, and will go through the games. I saw Fisher play in Santa Monica .ca.1969? (around there) playing exhibition, at his prime, full house, it was worth standing there a couple of hours.
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Re: Chesslings

Postby newegg » Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:41 pm

i usually win at chess nowadays. Not because im that smart at it but, that the others are just so dumb.

it seems this game has hacks.
we need a new game, maybe with a random roll factor involved in it. chess is 1000 years old it needs a patch.
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Meno_ » Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:02 pm

There is an old story aboutb chess boards.

There is am Ottoman potentate and this guy does something great for him and the potentate walkss toward him and tells him he could ask for anything reasonable from him.


The guy very modestly tells the potentate that all he asks for is 1 grain of rice on the first square on a chessboard and double that on the next and then double that yet again.

The potentate thinks the guy has lost it and he gladly goes for it. thinking he got off cheap


The potentate calls his vezeer and orders him to execute the order.

The vezeer comes back after a while looking ashen pale and tells the potemtate that the order is impossible to carry out because all the harvest of all the potemtate's fields are inadequate to provide the said rice.
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Fixed Cross » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:17 pm

My father told me this story as he taught me the rules of the game.

It is frustrating, my development. I have two accounts, one is at above 1700 and the other around 1300.
I have often enough quickly defeated 1700 players and often honorlessly fallen against lowly incompetents - amongst whom I must thus still count myself.

Its been only half a year that Ive been playing with some regularity though.
But it tells you something about the danger of dwelling among lesser minds.

It seems chess is a different kind of animal lower down he ranks. There is a lot of hacking and blind luck.
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Fixed Cross » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:26 pm

A game by a high ranking friend here.

1. Nf3 d5 2. d4 { D02 Queen's Pawn Game: Zukertort Variation } f6? { (-0.09 → 0.95) Mistake. Best move was Nf6. } (2... Nf6 3. c4 e6 4. e3 b6 5. Bd3 Bb7 6. O-O Bd6 7. b3) 3. c4 e6 4. e3 Bb4+ 5. Bd2 Bxd2+ 6. Qxd2 Ne7 7. Nc3 c6 8. a4?! { (1.06 → 0.42) Inaccuracy. Best move was Bd3. } (8. Bd3 Na6 9. O-O Nb4 10. Be2 O-O 11. e4 b6 12. a3 Na6 13. Bd3 dxc4 14. Bxc4 Nc7) 8... O-O 9. Bd3 Nd7 10. O-O e5 11. e4?! { (0.92 → 0.13) Inaccuracy. Best move was cxd5. } (11. cxd5 cxd5 12. e4 dxe4 13. Bxe4 f5 14. Bc2 Kh8 15. Bb3 h6 16. dxe5 Nxe5 17. Nd4 N7c6) 11... dxe4 12. Bxe4 f5 13. Bc2 e4 14. Ng5 Nf6 15. Rad1 h6 16. Nh3 Ng4?! { (0.14 → 0.67) Inaccuracy. Best move was Re8. } (16... Re8 17. Nf4 g5 18. Nfe2 Ng6 19. d5 cxd5 20. Nxd5 Be6 21. Nd4 Ne5 22. Nxe6 Rxe6 23. b3) 17. f3 e3? { (0.40 → 1.79) Mistake. Best move was exf3. } (17... exf3 18. gxf3 Nf6 19. Kh1 Nh5 20. Rg1 Qd6 21. d5 Bd7 22. c5 Qf6 23. b4 cxd5 24. Bb3) 18. Qe2 Nf2 19. Nxf2 exf2+ 20. Rxf2 Ng6 21. f4 Qc7 22. Qf3 Bd7 23. d5 Qb6?! { (1.73 → 2.24) Inaccuracy. Best move was Rae8. } (23... Rae8 24. g3 Qa5 25. Qd3 b6 26. Qd4 Qb4 27. b3 Nh8 28. Rfd2 Ng6 29. h4 Rf7 30. h5) 24. b3?! { (2.24 → 1.51) Inaccuracy. Best move was dxc6. } (24. dxc6 Bxc6 25. Nd5 Bxd5 26. Qxd5+ Kh7 27. c5 Qb4 28. Qd4 Qxd4 29. Rxd4 a5 30. g3 Rac8) 24... Rad8 25. Kh1 Rfe8 26. Re2 Rxe2 27. Nxe2 cxd5?! { (1.00 → 1.82) Inaccuracy. Best move was Re8. } (27... Re8 28. Nc1 cxd5 29. Qxd5+ Be6 30. Qd2 Bc8 31. g3 Ne7 32. Ne2 Qf2 33. Nd4 Qxd2 34. Rxd2) 28. Qxd5+ Be6?? { (1.98 → 9.09) Blunder. Best move was Kf8. } (28... Kf8 29. Qd2 Ne7 30. Nd4 Qf6 31. c5 a6 32. b4 Kg8 33. Nxf5 Nxf5 34. Qd5+ Qf7 35. Qxf7+) 29. Qxd8+ Qxd8 30. Rxd8+ Kh7? { (8.96 → 12.42) Mistake. Best move was Kf7. } (30... Kf7 31. Rb8 b6 32. Rb7+ Kf6 33. Rxa7 Nf8 34. Nd4 g6 35. Rc7 Bf7 36. Rb7 Ne6 37. Rxb6) 31. g3 Ne7 32. Re8 { Black resigns.
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Re: Chesslings

Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:36 pm

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 { C41 Philidor Defense #2 } 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bc4 h6 5. d3 c6 6. Be3 d5 7. exd5 cxd5 8. Bb5+ Nc6 9. Bd2 d4 10. Ne4 Nxe4 11. dxe4 Bc5 12. O-O O-O 13. a3 Bg4 14. Be2 Qf6 15. Qe1 Qg6 16. Nh4 Qxe4 17. Bxg4 Qxg4 18. f3 Qe6 19. b4 d3+ 20. Kh1 Bd4 21. Be3 Bxe3 22. Qxe3 dxc2 23. Rac1 Nd4 24. Rfe1 f6 25. g4 Qe8 26. Nf5 Rc8 27. Nd6 Qc6 28. Nxc8 Rxc8 29. h3 b6 30. Rf1 Qc4 31. Rf2 Qa2 32. Rd2 Qb1 33. Qg1 Nxf3 34. Qf1 Nxd2 { White resigns. } 0-1
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