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Re: Does reality exist?

Postby AutSider » Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:12 pm

What there is -- what can be observed -- are observations and interpretations (or assumptions.)


Reality is what is observed. Observations and interpretations exist within reality. People will talk a lot and lie a lot, pretending they don't understand what interaction means.

Then as soon as you start interacting with them they demonstrate with their actions that they know very well what it means, and that the words they say are, simply, lies.



Could the fag have made Bane's hand go away by saying "you're not interacting with me"?

Could he make Bane go away by saying "you don't exist", "you're not real", "reality doesn't exist", "reality isn't real", or whatever other demented nonsense cowards will come up with?

If you think that words should be connected not to reality, but to other words by infinitely defining things and never referring to reality, I say you're a sheltered coward and your philosophy is as worthless as you.

That's my final.
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Re: Does reality exist?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:49 pm

AutSider wrote:Reality is what is observed.


Observations (associated with Dionysus) are more fundamental than interpretations (associated with Apollo.)
Because of this, we often associate observations with "reality" while associating interpretations with "mind".
We call the former concrete and the latter abstract.
This isn't disputed.

Observations and interpretations exist within reality.


If what you mean is that observations and interpretations are "what is observed" then I agree. I prefer the term "experienced" though because the term "observation" is too narrow. But that's another story.

People will talk a lot and lie a lot, pretending they don't understand what interaction means.


Understanding what interaction is intuitively is not the same as understanding what interaction is rationally.

For example, I can understand what computers are without understanding how they work.
Or I can understand what it means to move my limbs without understanding the underlying physics.
There's a massive difference between the two.

What you're doing here is you are evading defining the concept of interaction with the excuse that there is some kind of conspiracy taking place behind your back where I am intentionally or unintentionally lying to you about not knowing what interaction is.
As if I don't know what interaction is . . . intuitively or rationally.

Then as soon as you start interacting with them they demonstrate with their actions that they know very well what it means, and that the words they say are, simply, lies.


You're being a paranoid retard.
Or maybe you're just being a retard, I don't know.
I do, however, sense some degree of paranoia.
Everyone must be conspiring against you.
The slightest suggestion -- such as that the concept of reality makes no sense -- appears very capable of triggering this fear in you.

I know relatively well what interaction is.
I know what it is intuitively and I know what it is rationally.
The question is: do you know what interaction is? Not intuitively but rationally. Do you? What is the degree of precision with which you understand the phenomenon of interaction? Pretty low, right?

Could the fag have made Bane's hand go away by saying "you're not interacting with me"?

Could he make Bane go away by saying "you don't exist", "you're not real", "reality doesn't exist", "reality isn't real", or whatever other demented nonsense cowards will come up with


So that's what you find worrying . . .
The possibility that I am saying that there is a strong, perhaps even absolute, causal relation between what one says and what happens.
In other words, that I expect, or predict, that whenever someone says "I am eating" that they would immediately be fed.
Okay.

Here's a little exercise for you.
Dig through my posts in this thread and take a note for every paragraph or sentence that makes you think that I am suggesting the above.
Then I am going to explain to you -- yes, I am going to hand hold you -- that in no way, shape or form am I saying any such thing.

Let's have fun, okay?

If you think that words should be connected not to reality, but to other words by infinitely defining things and never referring to reality, I say you're a sheltered coward and your philosophy is as worthless as you.


Words are supposed to be connected to observations.
That's what it means to define a word: to describe the sequence of events (or observations) it refers to.
That's what I am asking you to do with the word "interaction".
I want you to tell me what that word means i.e. I want you to describe to me the exact sequence of events it refers to.
Not just tell me "well, I know what it means [intuitively]".
Lots of people will tell you that "I know what God is [intuitively]".
Are you a mystic or a rational person?
What are you, AutSider?

My point -- even though your attitude does not deserve my explanation -- is that the concept of interaction exists only on the higher level of abstraction -- on the level of interpretations. On the lowest level of abstraction, on the level of observations, there is no such a thing. There are only observations. There is only a sequence of observations (among them interpretations.)
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Re: Does reality exist?

Postby AutSider » Sun Jun 25, 2017 3:48 pm

Riječi su za pićke, pićke vole riječi, da ne znam govorit drko bi ti u usta jer sam veći.
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Re: Does reality exist?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:02 pm

Croatian language is very gay. Both written and spoken.
It's piČke, moron, not piĆke.
Preference for soft consonants should tell you everything you need to know about a people . . .
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Re: Does reality exist?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:14 pm

Listen to a Croat speaking:



Then listen to a Serb speaking:

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Re: Does reality exist?

Postby Ecmandu » Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:29 pm

Reality is relational, contextual.

"That's a real mirage; a real illusion."

Everything is real in some way.

Real is about utility, utility implies relational.

"Is a real"

and

"exists as"

are synonyms with different syntax.
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Re: Does reality exist?

Postby AutSider » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:20 pm

Serbs are the niggers of Europe.

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Re: Does reality exist?

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Re: Does reality exist?

Postby Pandora » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:00 am

I hope this thread will not turn into another Balkan conflict.:/

Magnus...there is no need for that...
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Re: Does reality exist?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:59 am

You're right. There isn't.
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Re: Does reality exist?

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:37 am

Yes reality exists. What the fuck kind of stupid question is that?
You see...a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.
Dating a stripper is like eating a noisy bag of chips in church. Everyone looks at you in disgust, but deep down they want some too.

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Re: Does reality exist?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:20 am

I don't know. You tell me.
You are the smartest person in the room.
Right behind Fixed.
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Re: Does reality exist?

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:46 pm

Right behind your mom.
You see...a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.
Dating a stripper is like eating a noisy bag of chips in church. Everyone looks at you in disgust, but deep down they want some too.

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Re: Does reality exist?

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:17 pm

Serbs are the niggers of Europe.


Moja serbian krv kaže da te jebem! Hrvati su sranje, to je jasno.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Does reality exist?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:40 pm

That's a very bad translation, Wendy. You just told him something you didn't really want to tell him. What you said is "My Serbian blood instructs me to fuck you." Never ever mess with Google translators.

The correct translation is:
"Moja srpska krv ti kaže da se nosiš u tri lepe pičke materine."

Use the correct swearwords and you can never go wrong.

Someone please quote me because I'm on Wendy's foe list so she can't see this.
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Re: Does reality exist?

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:41 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:That's a very bad translation, Wendy. You just told him something you didn't really want to tell him. What you said is "My Serbian blood instructs me to fuck you." Never ever mess with Google translators.

The correct translation is:
"Moja srpska krv ti kaže da se nosiš u tri lepe pičke materine."

Use the correct insults and you can never go wrong.

Someone please quote me because I'm on Wendy's foe list so she can't see this.


Wendy, Maggie wanted you to see this.
You see...a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.
Dating a stripper is like eating a noisy bag of chips in church. Everyone looks at you in disgust, but deep down they want some too.

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Re: Does reality exist?

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:47 pm

Maybe I would fuck him...in ways that he would not like which would be the only ways I would fuck him. Now I'll return to my PG mode.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Does reality exist?

Postby AutSider » Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:29 am

Magnus Anderson wrote:You're right. There isn't.


Serbs always instigate conflict and then end up regretting it. Nothing new here. But yeah, let's stop.
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Re: Does reality exist?

Postby AutSider » Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:34 am

Magnus Anderson wrote:That's a very bad translation, Wendy. You just told him something you didn't really want to tell him. What you said is "My Serbian blood instructs me to fuck you." Never ever mess with Google translators.

The correct translation is:
"Moja srpska krv ti kaže da se nosiš u tri lepe pičke materine."

Use the correct swearwords and you can never go wrong.

Someone please quote me because I'm on Wendy's foe list so she can't see this.


Yeah and now cause you quoted Wendy, who is on MY foe list, I ended up seeing what she wrote even though I didn't wanna. Because fuck foe lists, right?

The only way I'd ever penetrate Wendy the filthy mudshark is with a knife or a bullet. It'd be a painless quickie and she'd bleed like a virgin but from her head, as her brain matter oozes out of her skull.

Not interested in fucking nigger-lovers, sorry Wendy. You're only good for the rope.
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Re: Does reality exist?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:45 am

AutSider wrote:
Magnus Anderson wrote:You're right. There isn't.


Serbs always instigate conflict and then end up regretting it. Nothing new here. But yeah, let's stop.


No regrets whatsoever.
You are still a retard despite that study you linked to.
You're the one who left the discussion and I respect that . . .
Remember, you said "that's my final".
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Re: Does reality exist?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:33 pm

Hi AutSider

Gees, how sandbox talk has evolved.


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I decided to delete that post. If we are not part of the solution, we ourselves are also a part of the problem.

How can it be so easy for a man to speak to or about a woman like that? Where does it come from? How does it get to such a point?

Why?

I am not really looking for an answer from you, per see, and I probably wouldn't get one anyone.
You might want to possibly ruminate on the above...or not.

Men, not all men, but many or some, sometimes think that they are such alpha males because of the way in which they think and feel and talk about women but are they really? Of course, I am not really saying that you think of yourself in such a way because of that speech of yours. But....


I watched a video last night called "Hacksaw Ridge" about Desmond Doss' life and time while serving in the Second World War. What a movie. It was as inspiring and profound as it was gory and tragic. The best and the worst of humanity in two hours time. It was so disturbing but I would not have missed it.


I thought of the alpha male, the real alpha male, and Nietszche's Ubermensch (though I don't really know if Freddie himself would have considered Doss as such. I would be curious though to know if he would have. Doss was a christian and a conscientious objector and he had the courage of his convictions to such a degree that I found him to be awe-inspiring. Such courage and will but would N have found him to be the same. Who knows. I certainly did.

Why do we make such mountains out of molehills while there are already so many mountains to be scaled and brought down?
SAPERE AUDE!


If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

Thomas Nagel


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Re: Does reality exist?

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:13 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:
That's a very bad translation, Wendy. You just told him something you didn't really want to tell him. What you said is "My Serbian blood instructs me to fuck you." Never ever mess with Google translators.

The correct translation is:
"Moja srpska krv ti kaže da se nosiš u tri lepe pičke materine."

Use the correct insults and you can never go wrong.

Someone please quote me because I'm on Wendy's foe list so she can't see this.

WendyDarling » Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:47 pm

Maybe I would fuck him...in ways that he would not like which would be the only ways I would fuck him. Now I'll return to my PG mode.

The only way I'd ever penetrate Wendy the filthy mudshark is with a knife or a bullet. It'd be a painless quickie and she'd bleed like a virgin but from her head, as her brain matter oozes out of her skull.

Not interested in fucking nigger-lovers, sorry Wendy. You're only good for the rope.


Wendy wrote: The maybe has become definitely and it would be for the next twenty or so years.


Someone quote all this since my favorite man foe'd me.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Does reality exist?

Postby Mr Reasonable » Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:27 am

For all the people who use the foe list, you're a bunch of pussies. What a pussy thing to do.

You people are those "millenials" that I keep hearing about. A whole generation of vaginas. "I'm putting you on a list so I don't have to see what you type".

PUSSY SHIT GROW A PAIR
You see...a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.
Dating a stripper is like eating a noisy bag of chips in church. Everyone looks at you in disgust, but deep down they want some too.

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Re: Does reality exist?

Postby Mr Reasonable » Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:29 am

The worst are the philosophical hardasses, the Nazi wannabe eugenics types. Its like I'm watching a bunch of pussies talk about the cultural and philosophical underpinnings of being a tough guy. Cracks me up. FOE THIS pansies.
You see...a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.
Dating a stripper is like eating a noisy bag of chips in church. Everyone looks at you in disgust, but deep down they want some too.

What exactly is logic? -Magnus Anderson

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Re: Does reality exist?

Postby Magnus Anderson » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:40 am

I don't think Autsider is taking foe list seriously. He's just trying to blend in with the crowd.
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