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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby surreptitious57 » Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:02 am


The one she asked about is not a paradox anyway only a mystery if you do not know the answer
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby WendyDarling » Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:35 am

gib wrote:Wendy, unless you want to deal with real paradoxes, I'm sure you can solve them yourself.


S57 said there are no paradoxes, just knowns and unknowns.

I believe that logic in the larger sense (not the definitional/numerical types) runs out which would place it in the unknown category with multiple friggin Mobius Strips looping like many a conversation here using circular reasoning, however God don't play repeats eternal, God may be cutting the fat (so-to-speak), just so happens that fats often gives flavor, hence reality is being stripped of its value. Is anybody with me still or ever?

Now James tells moi that he can use precise language to find that logic gone wild solution. Lol. 1,2,3. Lol.
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby WendyDarling » Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:23 am



Okay, that was lame. No first of either, now that's ridiculous. Check please!
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby surreptitious57 » Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:18 am

I still think the egg came first but as you can see not everyone automatically thinks so
Simple questions do not always have simple answers and this one is one such example
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby James S Saint » Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:20 am

WendyDarling wrote:


Okay, that was lame. No first of either, now that's ridiculous. Check please!

What people don't think about is that every type of animal has breeds, subspecies, or races within that type, just like homosapians. And those breeds did not come from the same "prechicken" source. Before they became similar enough to be categorized as the same animal, the fowl-like creatures were more distinct and clearly not the same animal. Through all of the trials and troubles associated with life and environment, entire pre-chicken creatures die out, leaving similar looking animals that are not related yet are functionally the same.

The reason it works that way is that environmental pressures tend to tailor life toward the most successful for concurrent environment. Very different creatures under the same pressures and mutating forces gradually mutate and evolve toward being almost the same creature, the one most stable form for that environment.

The fact that there are many stable forms for any one given environment and millions of creature types to be pressured into a better fit, yields a variety of stable creature types that are very different from each other and also very different from their origins. An era of entirely new creature groupings gets formed. And many within each group stem from a different origin. The "chicken" got created from a variety of unrelated non-chickens that through their pressured mutating gained the ability to cross breed into an even more uniform grouping. And when the environment shifts very much, it all happens again.

The bottom line is that the thing that you now call "chicken" is the result of a cross breeding of earlier forms of dissimilar chickens that stemmed from cross breeding and mutating of almost-chickens which stemmed from the mutating and cross breeding of a variety of non-chicken creatures.

Within all of that maze of confusion spread over millions of years, the exact moment DNA molecules got altered varies from pre-chicken type to pre-chicken type. Some changes occurred after the prechicken was born. Some occurred during inception. Some occurred within the egg. Some occurred within the sperm. And through the pressures of time, those similar to what we now categorize as "chicken" survived and their pre-chicken ancestors died out after perhaps a very short existence, leaving no trace.

So the real answer is that neither egg nor chicken of what you now call "chicken" gave initial rise to the other. It is like asking which ingredient of the cake came first, the yeast, flour, sugar, egg, .. which? Or perhaps "Who was the first Jew?" The question itself is inadequate.
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby surreptitious57 » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:41 pm

All of evolution is a transition. So asking such a simple question is not going to provide a simple answer. There is no one absolute point in
geological time that can be referenced to give an answer. Evolutionary biologists cannot agree on taxonomic classification of species and
subspecies for this very reason. But one thing which can be stated with absolute certainty is that abiogenesis began somewhere between
three and half to four billion years ago with single cell non self replicating bacteria. So this was the very earliest ancestor of chicken and
egg [ and all other life ] despite being neither chicken or egg as such
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby James S Saint » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:59 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:absolute certainty is that abiogenesis began somewhere between
three and half to four billion years ago with single cell non self replicating bacteria.

Well, .. I'm not so absolutely certain of that. But the general point is right.
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The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

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The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby gib » Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:55 pm

Eggs are just overgrown ovums, and ovums are just overgrown cells, and since cells came before chickens, so did the egg.

WendyDarling wrote:I believe that logic in the larger sense (not the definitional/numerical types) runs out which would place it in the unknown category with multiple friggin Mobius Strips looping like many a conversation here using circular reasoning, however God don't play repeats eternal, God may be cutting the fat (so-to-speak), just so happens that fats often gives flavor, hence reality is being stripped of its value. Is anybody with me still or ever?

No.

Now James tells moi that he can use precise language to find that logic gone wild solution. Lol. 1,2,3. Lol.


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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby James S Saint » Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:32 pm

gib wrote:Yeah, James is weird.

Yeah, to the insane, the sane seems "pretty weird".
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby WendyDarling » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:04 pm

James S Saint wrote:
gib wrote:Yeah, James is weird.

Yeah, to the insane, the sane seems "pretty weird".


Not perceiving 'unknowns' is insane to those that do.
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