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Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless paradox

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:35 am

Paradox champions, I beseech your assistance. I need a real simple puzzler that has only a few words. Any suggestions would be appreciated and word-less zingers would be the best.
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I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby WendyDarling » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:14 am

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I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby Meno_ » Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:39 pm

We may be a collection, without noticing it, and that collection includes everyone. We only select whom we wish to emulate. Everything else blocked. It a no brainer, we pick up everything directly or, by association.

For instance, we don't have to go to Greece to be there, and that's discounting the possibility of Astro projection, Eckenkar soul travel, or the idea that we live in the eternal time of this second.
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby James S Saint » Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:39 am

WendyDarling wrote:Paradox champions, I beseech your assistance. I need a real simple puzzler that has only a few words. Any suggestions would be appreciated and word-less zingers would be the best.

The classic example is "This statement is false."

If the statement truly is false, the the statement must be true
.. in which case it is false
.. in which case it is true
...
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby gib » Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:48 am

James S Saint wrote:The classic example is "This statement is false."

If the statement truly is false, the the statement must be true
.. in which case it is false
.. in which case it is true
...


Yeah, James, we get it.

Only binary logicians have a problem with this. That's why I prefer trinary.
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby James S Saint » Sat Feb 04, 2017 7:02 am

gib wrote:
James S Saint wrote:The classic example is "This statement is false."

If the statement truly is false, the the statement must be true
.. in which case it is false
.. in which case it is true
...


Yeah, James, we get it.

Only binary logicians have a problem with this. That's why I prefer trinary.

There are no paradoxes void of resolution. She asked for a simple paradox, not how to resolve it.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby gib » Sat Feb 04, 2017 7:28 am

James S Saint wrote:
gib wrote:Only binary logicians have a problem with this. That's why I prefer trinary.

There are no paradoxes void of resolution. She asked for a simple paradox, not how to resolve it.


And quite frankly, I'm impressed you delivered. I thought to myself: now how can you give a paradox in just a few simple words? Most require at least a paragraph. But yes, the liar's paradox is quite an elegant response.

So should I explain trinary logic, or do you think it would be obvious to her what it is and how that resolves the paradox?
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It is impossible for a human being to go through life not thinking irrationally even if they think of themselves as rational
Also just as irrational decisions are not always bad then rational ones are not always good no matter what the intention
- surreptitious75

The rating of rationality can be higher and always is higher than the person trying to be rational. Rationality is less emotional than the person delivering it.
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby James S Saint » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:05 am

gib wrote:So should I explain trinary logic, or do you think it would be obvious to her what it is and how that resolves the paradox?

I don't know if she cares to resolve it.
But I suspect that she preferred that I not know how. 8)

But then again, since I do, why not go ahead (not that I will agree with your version of "trinary logic").
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby gib » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:41 am

James S Saint wrote:But then again, since I do, why not go ahead (not that I will agree with your version of "trinary logic").


Well, since you already know, what's the point? :D
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It is impossible for a human being to go through life not thinking irrationally even if they think of themselves as rational
Also just as irrational decisions are not always bad then rational ones are not always good no matter what the intention
- surreptitious75

The rating of rationality can be higher and always is higher than the person trying to be rational. Rationality is less emotional than the person delivering it.
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:58 am

You guys suck at this...

"Nothing at all"

It's an impossible phrase to utter.
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:11 am

JSS wrote
But I suspect that she preferred that I not know how. 8)


Yes, stop trying to help yourself out of this paradox, which may be? :-k
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:12 am

JSS,
WendyDarling wrote:Image
? :mrgreen:
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby James S Saint » Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:26 pm

WendyDarling wrote:JSS wrote
But I suspect that she preferred that I not know how. 8)


Yes, stop trying to help yourself out of this paradox, which may be? :-k

Oh, you want ME to tell you?
Okay...

Coherent logic statements can only be either true or false. That is what leads to the appearance of a conundrum, a paradox. But there is always the incoherent statement, void of rational meaning, such as;
    "The color of my dog is cat."
    "There are absolutely no absolutes."
    and "This statement is false."

Incoherent statements are neither true nor false, but rather meaningless, often self-refuting.
Thus Trinary/Tertiary Logic:
  • 1) True
  • 2) False
  • 3) Incoherent (neither or both)


.. and you are going to have a really, really tough time catching me with this sort of thing. 8)
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:21 pm

James,

Why drag this out? :-" Solve the paradox shown in the pic. 8)
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby surreptitious57 » Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:30 pm


There are no actual paradoxes in reality only perceived ones
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Postby surreptitious57 » Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:33 pm


What is not known or understood is simply that and nothing else
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:34 pm

Why are you doing what James should be doing? You are in a feisty mood. :evilfun:
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby surreptitious57 » Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:39 pm


An absence of what you imagine here would suggest otherwise
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Postby surreptitious57 » Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:41 pm


Asking for a solution where none exists is somewhat paradoxical
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby James S Saint » Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:44 pm

WendyDarling wrote:James,

Why drag this out? :-" Solve the paradox shown in the pic. 8)

:icon-rolleyes:
As I just explained:
James S Saint wrote:Incoherent statements are neither true nor false, but rather meaningless, often self-refuting.
Thus Trinary/Tertiary Logic:

1) True
2) False
3) Incoherent (neither or both)

That goes for questions too.
(3) - Neither came first.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby surreptitious57 » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:21 am

WendyDarling wrote:
Solve the paradox shown in the pic

No because no paradox requires no solution

A right answer to a question cannot be paradoxical

Perceptions of illusion only exist in the mind not in reality

The paradox being imagined here is therefore an illusion so not real

Here is a non real [ abstract ] non paradox for you : one plus one equals one

Now it is actually very easy but it can be hard only if you insist on making it as such
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby gib » Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:35 am

The chicken and egg scenario isn't really a paradox, it's just a mystery (if you don't know the answer).

Wendy, here's a good one for you: Russell's Paradox.
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It is impossible for a human being to go through life not thinking irrationally even if they think of themselves as rational
Also just as irrational decisions are not always bad then rational ones are not always good no matter what the intention
- surreptitious75

The rating of rationality can be higher and always is higher than the person trying to be rational. Rationality is less emotional than the person delivering it.
- encode_decode

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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby WendyDarling » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:45 am

:sad-roulette: You guys have killed the fun. Never taking any of you out in public. =;
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Guidance finding and serving up a fairly wordless parado

Postby gib » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:56 am

Wendy, unless you want to deal with real paradoxes, I'm sure you can solve them yourself.
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It is impossible for a human being to go through life not thinking irrationally even if they think of themselves as rational
Also just as irrational decisions are not always bad then rational ones are not always good no matter what the intention
- surreptitious75

The rating of rationality can be higher and always is higher than the person trying to be rational. Rationality is less emotional than the person delivering it.
- encode_decode

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