04-05-2013, 06:36 PM Post: #1
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Worth While
There is only one thing that literally everyone here (or even elsewhere) could know without question is worthy of doing on this or any site.
But can you figure out what it is?
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04-06-2013, 03:43 AM Post: #2
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RE: Worth While
Meditation?
How bout getting off all these antibiotics?
How bout stopping eating when I’m full up?
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04-06-2013, 04:11 AM Post: #3
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RE: Worth While
Learning things we didn’t know before.
Science is found in the question “how do you know?”
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04-07-2013, 11:51 AM Post: #4
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(04-05-2013 06:36 PM)JSS Wrote:
There is only one thing that literally everyone here (or even elsewhere) could know without question is worthy of doing on this or any site.
But can you figure out what it is?
Finding one’s blind spots, realizing a problematic habit/reaction one has, learning about something one didn’t know about before in general.
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04-12-2013, 01:10 AM (This post was last modified: 04-12-2013 01:11 AM by JSS.) Post: #5
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(04-07-2013 11:51 AM)Heathen Wrote:
Finding one’s blind spots, realizing a problematic habit/reaction one has, learning about something one didn’t know about before in general.
Learning of one’s strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, and threats (SWOT)?
…and those of his surroundings.
Or perhaps discovering the means to do that.
My personal answer is;
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony… else suffer.
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04-12-2013, 10:27 AM (This post was last modified: 04-12-2013 10:28 AM by Fixed Cross.) Post: #6
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RE: Worth While
Impedance matching -
you are right about that. But RM can not be instilled properly if you rely on sole posts. EVERY post needs to make the reader aware of the context in which you are saying it.
The logical steps from impossibility of absolute homogeneity to particle-creation are evident to me, but not to everyone. And they need to be for anyone to understand. At least, I had to understand that before I could understand (and thus accept) the rest.
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04-13-2013, 09:36 AM (This post was last modified: 04-13-2013 09:44 AM by JSS.) Post: #7
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Quite true, but remember that everyone defines their own impedance (their “value assessments”). Thus every signal propagation (“the message”) takes a different amount of time for every individual. If a single signal (a “truth”) were presented, almost no one would hear it as a truth unless they already knew it and wanted it to be a truth. The signal would match the timing for at best maybe one person out of millions.
So the solution to that is to maintain a constant signal such as to allow for every timing. Some people hear it immediately, very few, others take much longer. But it isn’t quite that simple really. There is an exponential response curve; the more people who have gotten the message, the faster others get the message. Thus it is an exponential signal propagation issue over time and “distance” (the number of people).
The only real problem in the past has been that the “signal” hasn’t been constantly immutable. I won’t go into all of the errors of those preceding us, but that is what it boils down to.
In electronic engineering, the entire process is very common and easily seen as a signal being sent down a cable or wire. If there is the slightest change in impedance from point A to point B (from one person to the next), the signal is expected to partially get through and partially reflect back (argumentation). But if point A is what is called the “source” with an extremely low impedance (an immutable argument), every reflected bit gets reflected back and the entire signal eventually passes point B (the other person eventually learns every detail with no argument left to make). And from there of course, point B encounters point C and so on.
With RM, point A, the original source, need not always be there if point B can ever get the entire message, because then point B becomes the source for point C. Of course, if both A and B are present, point C gets the message much quicker (because they are not really in perfect line, C has contact with both A and B, thus twice the immutability, even lower impedance to deal with, “more momentum”).
With propagation through people (the “flight of the angels”), there are a number of discreet obstacles, “impedance(s)”. One very significant impedance involves the number of other people who have accepted the signal. As long as it is the exactly correct signal, that exact signal will exponentially come to match any and every impedance, “obstacle”. This is the issue of “authority worship”. Even though the number of people does not actually equate to authority correctness, it does equate to respect of the issue and thus attention and consideration. No matter how completely wrong a thought might be, if 10 million people are believing it, it will get attention and consideration.
The point is that in order to impedance-match the worst of all impediments (ILP for [intentional] example), the source must be immutable and constantly available to reflect argumentation (answer all questions).
Of course, you can obviously tell that this has been only the beginning of a very long lecture concerning propagation of values throughout a society (often referred to as “propaganda”). Propaganda is certainly a good thing if, and only if, the message is immutably correct (“Worth While”).
And this is the message;
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony… else suffer.
RM is merely an example that overshadows all of current Science.
And even without any RM concern, any film or book to be viral must adhere to that same message, else…
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04-19-2013, 07:03 PM Post: #8
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Else nothing, which is infinitely more than nothing. I am starting to agree with ChainOfBeing’s view that this whole investigation is more obsession with influence than influence. In my experience, abstract structures are like the structure that holds up a rocket ship before and during launch. At the moment of ignition, it all kind of crumbles apart, and its true value is revealed.
This is why I think you should get drunk and blurt it all out. Drugs are excellent ignitors.
Science is found in the question “how do you know?”
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04-23-2013, 02:45 AM (This post was last modified: 04-23-2013 02:47 AM by ChainOfBeing.) Post: #9
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Life is better lived, than talked about.
If you want influence, go and get it. “There is more wisdom in your body than in your highest philosophy”. What beautiful chaos this speaks to, in so far as “diving in” will produce the most potentiating ripples and unknown causal influences, that build and combine in unpredictable ways, that generate and spread based on their own physical geometry and law which all investigating and truth-seeking can merely hint at.
Peeling back the layers is great, but only if we are doing this in the real world of our living and not in a sterile operating room.
I would argue that if we lack influence it is probably because we do not really want it, something strong in us holds back our desire, perhaps caution, or fear, or apathy, or a sense of future concerns, or maybe just distraction. All of these may combine or cause one another to produce lack-of-influence, meaning lack of willingness to subvert the analytical mind for the sake of jumping in.
There is no way to know what it feels like to jump into a pool of cold water than actually doing it. You cannot describe this to someone who has not done it or something like it. Influence is like this too: the most naive are the most rewarded.
Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.
04-27-2013, 09:12 AM (This post was last modified: 04-27-2013 09:49 AM by JSS.) Post: #1
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Buddhistic Wisdom for All
I just realized a “spell” that I could personally cast upon each member of this forum (a procedure) that would cause them each to become “Buddhistically Wise”. Their intelligence would skyrocket. Their perception would become awesomely accurate. They would learn whatever they chose so very much more quickly. They would become more healthy. And each would inherently spread the effect throughout society. It would even work for the “retarded” (the “slowed” due to neurological contamination). Twenty years ago, I could have done it much more readily (and in a very small way actually did without realizing it).
There is a psychological trick (aka “spell”) that works on everyone. Hell, it would even work on animals; monkeys, squirrels, mice,… dubiously even fish. Homosapian, less so due to the degree of confusion and interference with instincts. It involves the “induction” process spelled out in more advanced RM.
And ooooo… it could be fashioned into a film, requiring little else.
Unfortunately, I will not have the time or resources to actually do it now. But the question is, would anyone choose to sign up for it?
Why or why not?
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04-28-2013, 12:52 AM Post: #2
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No, because you refuse to address any of my own spells. How can I join a project where I feel the director is not open to any ideas but his own?
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05-03-2013, 11:38 PM Post: #3
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I will join. Please elaborate further.
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I suppose it would depend on what you mean by Buddhistic Wisdom.
I have some issues with Buddism.
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05-10-2013, 09:15 PM (This post was last modified: 05-10-2013 09:21 PM by JSS.) Post: #5
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I was merely referring to Buddhism in a general sense of maintaining a higher, wider, and more serene perspective of one’s situation such as to be less often misled.
What I would propose is a type of “pseudo-self-hypnosis” that induces that general type of perspective by consequence. I say, “pseudo” because actual hypnosis refers to non-cognitive, unaware influence upon your inner processes and is the actual mainstream adversary throughout society (and has been for thousands of years, commonly referred to as “socialist propaganda” and “false flagging” and today even “Hollywood film making” - “Rain makers”). Hypnosis is a way of getting the inner life to go along with the upper management or the outer manipulator.
What I would prose is something contrary to such actual hypnosis that leads a mind (and a society) toward not being so easily misled. One critical element is the fact that it is not unknown to the conscious as to what is taking place or why. It would work either way, but is not intended to trick the person into thinking or doing things contrary to what they could see for themselves to be wise. In effect, it wakes them up (the “red pill” dispersed into the water).
Although the direction is contrary to such hypnosis induction, it uses the same principle. It merely allows for conscious awareness thus, “self-hypnosis” and “pseudo” because being lulled into a transitive sleep is not at all required.
The technique is simply to use your experiences (such as movie scenarios) to induce your instinctive senses toward clarifying and verifying your actual situation before jumping to presumptive conclusions concerning what you need or don’t need to do. The average person is very prone to merely presuming the first most obvious thought and going from there. Every religion and every war has been led by such a natural tendency within the populous. It is a common temptation, and even an addiction that leads to a mental blindness of what is really going on. Every con artist depends on it.
The counter-trick is to instill into your habits the process of ensuring that you know a little more of your situation before you attempt to decide what to do next. Communication to your inner mind has always been the challenge, especially sense your inner mind can so easily derail your conscious mind (emotions overriding reasoning). Your inner mind has to have a good reason for not taking charge of your entire mind and by consequence defeating the whole point in having a mind at all. Of course the reverse must also be avoided. The conscious mind should certainty avoid the attempt to control all thought within (the socialist dictator trying to control all thought throughout the country).
By experiencing the right effects, incentives toward keeping a reasonable balance against presumption can be instilled into your inner “populous” such that your inner mind does not want to take over everything, nor does it want to be taken over. Cooperation between the inner and higher processes is established merely by displaying the right experiences to the inner and with the higher’s understanding. It is much like displaying films concerning the travesty of a nuclear war so as to prevent the populous from rushing into a willingness to start one.
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RE: Buddhistic Wisdom for All
We agree on the premises.
What is the spell?
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05-10-2013, 10:17 PM Post: #7
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I want to add that psychology is less like math and more like cooking in that, no matter what formula you use, the end result is always determined directly by the specific chemistry of the ingredients used. There is no escaping historicity.
We would have to trick the mark into accessing his/her own ingredients, lest they become dependent on their “savior’s” nectar.
Science is found in the question “how do you know?”
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05-11-2013, 06:48 AM Post: #8
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The Cooking vs Math observation is very good.
But very interested in the spell as well.
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05-11-2013, 06:53 AM Post: #9
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(05-10-2013 10:17 PM)pezer Wrote:
We would have to trick the mark into accessing his/her own ingredients, lest they become dependent on their “savior’s” nectar.
That is the whole point, to allow for people to become themselves again.
This part only addresses the psychological issues, mostly ADHD oriented issues. There are still medical and genetic issues to be straightened out by the cooperative mass of them.
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05-11-2013, 11:46 AM Post: #10
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What is this? But I am up for this.
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I dislike discussing “spells” openly because the trend today is to use them in the most negative way. But today such things are being used so grandly anyway, I’m not sure that it matters what is being discussed (much like the rest of RM).
The key to this kind of spell is the fact that your mind (subconscious) remembers changes in affects far more than affects. The universe is about the changes and every intelligent entity instinctively knows that (else it wouldn’t be able to live).
Take the example of the gambler. She will subconsciously remember the sudden wins far more greatly than the gradual losses. That is what creates an addiction and has been used to usurp money from the populous for a very long time. Today, being a formulaic age, that scheme is being used throughout all of society; financing, politics, advertising, propaganda,… And right under your nose (ie “hypnotically”).
But now what if somehow gambling was a good thing for you? What if, by whatever means, gambling somehow caused your life to be actually healthier and your mind to be more clear and attentive? Even if it did cost you more money, you would at least be getting something out of it besides hours of entertainment. It would be a healthy thing to do even though it would still be an addiction. Realize that merely trying to stay alive is but an addiction. So “addiction” doesn’t always equate to “bad”.
My technique, my “spell”, would be to have you experience that same kind of effect (being gradually annoyed with “losses” then suddenly “rewarded” by the removal of the annoyance) except only rewarded by mentally positive thoughts and actions. That would be far more effective than the old standard “rubber band” punishment method wherein the person remembers to not use the rubber band method because it is associated with discomfort rather than reward.
Dieting is another old standard that works backwards from its intent and for the same reason. The reward of breaking the diet instills the memory of how good it felt to eat - exactly the opposite of what was intended. Alcoholism is similar. You gradually begin to feel better by avoiding drinking, but the first drink you have later very suddenly makes you feel great - the exact opposite of what you need to stop the alcoholism.
The trick is to ensure that the reward or the removal of the annoyance is quite sudden and associated to a positive mental attribute. I happen to know what those attributes are on the most fundamental level and thus would propose to clean up that level and let the rest take care of itself, “cleanup the soul and free the spirit”.
Positive attribute would include things like;
- Instilling - Memory
- Clarifying before presuming (patience)
- Verifying before insisting
- Reinforcing before leaving (reliability)
- Harmonizing over conflicting (getting along and progressing)
And perhaps more, but merely those kinds of things on the subconscious level greatly improves mental faculties.
“It isn’t so much what you do, but rather the order in which you do it.”
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05-12-2013, 02:26 AM Post: #12
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RE: Buddhistic Wisdom for All
Cool. With you so far.
How bout getting off all these antibiotics?
How bout stopping eating when I’m full up?
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05-12-2013, 07:08 AM (This post was last modified: 05-12-2013 07:32 AM by JSS.) Post: #13
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Btw, a common misunderstanding due to the words, is that “you are conscious and your subconscious is not”. That isn’t at all true.
The fact is that your subconscious is also aware and conscious but merely of different concerns and often more conscious than “you”. The problem has been that you are not conscious of its consciousness and thus presume that it is either not there or simply a servo to your requests (a mindless slave). That is exactly the same presumption that national and global leaders make concerning their group and the rest of the populous.
The “Buddhistic” challenge is the attempt to get both to become One. That means that your subconscious is trying to achieve the same things that your conscious is trying to achieve, merely on a different level of awareness. Religions and governments do what they do for that same kind of reason except usually with little respect for the populous’ opinions (their “subconscious”).
So the question then becomes, “what is it that both parties should be trying to accomplish such that they could agree on any compromises?” (“what laws of the land “should” be enforced so that everyone can get along without dissension?”). And that leads to the philosophical question, “What is my purpose?”
I think that most here can agree that purpose is relative. And what this spell is all about is addressing “Your purpose for you”, not “what purpose another might have for you”. It is about getting you to be able to do what you choose to do for your own purposes. And the aim of this is merely to get you to become more united within yourself such that you can achieve such purposes, whatever they might be. How to cause you to have;
A) better memory
B) better attention
C) better decisions
D) better accomplishment toward your choices
E) and less consequences from not having those things; mistakes, frustration, depression, anger, futility, conflicts…
… and all of it happening within plain conscious sight in a way that you will tend to remember as a pleasant experience such as to mildly want to do it again - “a film/experience that felt good and you want to see again and again”… and profit by it.
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05-12-2013, 03:36 PM Post: #14
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I would be colser to getting convinced if it didn’t feel like a sales pitch.
Don’t shift my focus to catchy peripherals. What is the meat?
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05-21-2013, 07:16 AM (This post was last modified: 05-21-2013 07:29 AM by JSS.) Post: #15
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The “meat” isn’t as interesting as the bone and marrow from which comes the blood upon which the meat is dependent.
The Marrow
Inside every CPU is something called an ALU, Arithmetic Logic Unit. That little device is what is actually adding, subtracting, multiplying, dividing, ANDing, ORing, and XORing the binary bits for the CPU. It is the fundamental thinking unit without which a CPU couldn’t do much more than shift data around from one point to another.
That ALU is formed into the hardware, non-upgradable, because it is universal in computer processing. Every CPU must have one (at least one), else it is horrendously slow, if functional at all. Note that a great many other functions that are also universal to computers are not in the hardware and that is what makes some computers much slower than others. The “clocking speed” is merely one aspect of computer speed concerns.
As I am incorporating Jack into a mud-slow computer, I am having to software emulate the fundamental thinking process of Jack, thus making Jack horrendously slow. In reality, that fundamental process is even more universal than any ALU. Not only does every thinking thing have to use that same process, but literally every volume of the entire universe, whether occupied by any mass or not, is also using that exact same process. The process is truly universal in every sense. Yet I am having to software emulate it, making it millions of times slower than it could be.
As you think about your situation and what you might want to do or not each minute of each day, you are, in effect, software emulating what could be a fundamental thinking process that could have been incorporated into your “wetware” (and in some cases is). In other words, rather than your instincts using their resources to deduce your thoughts, your mind is mechanistically stepping through a thought process much like cognitively adding numbers, one digit at a time.
In a few rare cases, people are found who can add or multiply large numbers seemingly instantly (eg Max in the film Pi). That is what happens when such a fundamental process occurs on the instinct level rather than the cognitive level.
What I am talking about in this thread is a means to cause almost anyone to be able to do such a thing, except not merely referring to adding or multiplying numbers. I am talking about causing your cognitive thinking processes to become much more instinctive, much like when you read without having to sound out the words, “speed reading”.
Given an infant, with the right experiences, his normally cognitive thinking could be formed into his synaptic matrix, an “ALU” in his “CPU”. The result would be his ability to think thousands of times faster than you. But as I said, I am not talking about merely doing arithmetic, but rather all basic thinking concerning anything, making all of your thinking comparatively instantaneous.
But let me make it clear, I am NOT talking about everyone knowing the same things and always deducing the same things and always wanting the same things and always behaving the same ways. The old adage, “all geniuses think alike” is not really true. They merely think MORE alike given the same circumstances. Thinking is still dependent upon specific knowledge and goals.
Since the process that I am referring to is truly universal, it never needs upgrading. It is not a “software patch” or a “Rev 2.0”. It is an ALU for any thinking thing, that is more in the wetware than what typically occurs. It is very much like ensuring that an infant has proper nutrition as he grows so as to ensure a healthy brain and body. Poor nutrition can (and does) affect the ability of the brain to think and thus what it does think, but it almost never improves it.
Your experiences are in effect, poor nutrition that has caused your thinking potential to be dramatically reduced, much like emulating the adding and multiplying function in the software because the hardware had a corrupted ALU. You, each of you, has a corrupted “ALU” (largely due to medical experiences rather than psychological).
So the “spell” works toward incorporating a universally useful thinking process, that you already do every day, into your subconscious such that it happens immediately rather than having to go through “sounding out the words” or cognitive thinking. It makes you into an instinctive genius.
And the method is as I was just talking about, experiencing sequences of events (thus communicating to your own subconscious on its level) such that it “instantly” responds in a more rational, healthy, intelligent, “all-considering” way. And that is before your conscious is even aware that you were thinking anything at all. It balances all of your concerns at hand before jumping to presumptive conclusions, thus making your moment by moment decisions far more coherent considering whatever you might be trying to accomplish.
All it really takes is little more than watching appropriate and entertaining films, although many other means of such communication could also be involved. Those experiences would involve simply “inducing” encouragement toward “looking before leaping” regarding every sub-thought or inspiration the person forms. And it is all in the unusual direction of reward for right rather than punishment for wrong.
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05-21-2013, 07:50 AM Post: #16
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I think we are all somewhat familiar with your skeletal structures. Your approach, what I perceive when you conjure Rational Metaphysics, is all structure, and that has been my criticism. I want the meat, leave these bones for the dogs later. I get it, the thing has bones, some joints, made of calcium and other stuff, fine.
What is your system holding up?
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(05-21-2013 07:50 AM)pezer Wrote:
What is your system holding up?
Your ability to learn, be more conscious and aware, and succeed.
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Learn, be conscious, aware of, and succeed at what?
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I think I get it.
How bout getting off all these antibiotics?
How bout stopping eating when I’m full up?
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05-21-2013, 12:47 PM Post: #20
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RE: Buddhistic Wisdom for All
Good metaphor, JSS.
05-22-2013, 07:49 AM (This post was last modified: 05-22-2013 07:50 AM by JSS.) Post: #21
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A good experiment to display the principle involved would be to show two pictures side by side and ask an audience to note which of the two they like more. Then after watching the film (having nothing directly to do with the pictures), ask them again. Although, they might have to watch it several times depending on how well the film was made.
The theory is that on average the audience will begin shifting their preference toward one of the two pictures even though the pictures had nothing directly to do with the film.
That type of thing is going on in every film produced by Hollywood, every commercial, and every television series already (social engineering). It is the mainstay of the motion picture industry (and especially television) and propaganda societies. The difference is in the level and direction of designed affect. Most films and TV programs are produced in an effort to program young children into favoring socialistic ideals (new age morality). What I am talking about has nothing to do with presumed ideals other than cleaning up the thinking processes of inefficiencies and inner dissonance. What they want to do with their greater thinking capacity isn’t my job to worry about.
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05-22-2013, 11:52 AM (This post was last modified: 05-22-2013 11:53 AM by pezer.) Post: #22
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Maybe it isn’t, but how will you then get them to care? What sells the process is the end result, I don’t think you can side-step that. Even if the result is relative to the user, intentions, etc, the result must be sold, and sold honestly, if you wish for any power of legitimate weight in the propagation of these ideas.
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05-22-2013, 11:54 AM Post: #23
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Btw, excellent image. You made things clear in a very physical way. I hope you can see that my objection is not about the clearness of your delivery.
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05-23-2013, 01:29 AM (This post was last modified: 05-23-2013 01:29 AM by JSS.) Post: #24
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(05-22-2013 11:52 AM)pezer Wrote:
Maybe it isn’t, but how will you then get them to care? What sells the process is the end result, I don’t think you can side-step that. Even if the result is relative to the user, intentions, etc, the result must be sold, and sold honestly, if you wish for any power of legitimate weight in the propagation of these ideas.
Well, I certainly couldn’t argue with that.
But then if I “sell it”, you get upset that I am selling you something.
If I don’t “sell it”, you tell me that I must.
There are ways to get things to sell themselves. But I’m a believer in making sure there is an actual legitimate product before giving it to marketeers and spreading it like a virus.
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05-25-2013, 06:50 PM Post: #25
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That’s fine too, I understand prudent withholdings. Just tell me that.
I don’t like feeling like you are selling me something when you won’t tell me what it is you are selling, shifting my attention to peripherals and stuff.
If this was just an exploratory probe, consider me impressed and continue your work.
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05-26-2013, 06:00 AM Post: #26
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What you aren’t seeing is that I HAVE told you… and thus you over-suspect something hidden.
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05-26-2013, 10:14 AM Post: #27
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If you have told me, then I’m disappointed with the product. Nihilism doesn’t need reifying.
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