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Re: What Of Your Essence?

Postby surreptitious57 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:18 am

Whatever essence you possess only exists while you are alive like consciousness
Your memory may survive in others but your essence cannot so is gone for ever
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Re: What Of Your Essence?

Postby gib » Thu Nov 03, 2016 3:38 pm

Pneumatic-Coma wrote:
gib wrote:There is no constant that underlies the flux.


......................Not even physics?


Even physics is fundamentally change... and it would be hard to pin down your unique "essence" by looking at the physics of your body.

Interestingly though, the physical body is in large part where we get the idea that we have an essence. "Essences" are really just identities. We project them onto objects. This has the essence of a rock whereas that has the essence of a tree, and that over there has the essence of my tree, the one I used to climb as a child. Identities. We do the same with people--that is John, that is Sarah, that is Steve--we identify the bodies, and like with all other objects, we think of them as "constants". This is no less true for our own bodies when we look at ourselves in the mirror. Our essences acquire the uniqueness of our character by associations with all the peripheral aspects of ourselves--Steve works at a power plant, he's a rather rude person, he dresses well, etc. <-- All this goes towards who Steve is and colors his essence in a unique hue.
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Re: What Of Your Essence?

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:09 pm

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Maniacal Mongoose wrote:You will different things or your will is distracted by different things?
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Re: What Of Your Essence?

Postby gib » Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:24 pm

Maniacal Mongoose wrote:Gibbuns

Maniacal Mongoose wrote:You will different things or your will is distracted by different things?


Your will is an energy flow. It goes where your mind tells it. Your mind either gets distracted or stays on course.
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It is impossible for a human being to go through life not thinking irrationally even if they think of themselves as rational
Also just as irrational decisions are not always bad then rational ones are not always good no matter what the intention
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Re: What Of Your Essence?

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:30 pm

Hows about your mind goes where your will tells it to but those blasted minds do get distracted while your will remains the same constant.
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I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

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Re: What Of Your Essence?

Postby gib » Thu Nov 03, 2016 8:19 pm

Maniacal Mongoose wrote:Hows about your mind goes where your will tells it to but those blasted minds do get distracted while your will remains the same constant.


Ok, but then how can your will be unique? What makes my essence quintessentially "gib" and your essence quitessentially "Mongoose"?
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It is impossible for a human being to go through life not thinking irrationally even if they think of themselves as rational
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Re: What Of Your Essence?

Postby surreptitious57 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 8:56 pm


No two have exactly the same personality so that is your essence
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Re: What Of Your Essence?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:02 pm

Maniacal Mongoose wrote:You will different things or your will is distracted by different things?


It is best to focus on the more important things.
Sometimes we become conflicted when we come to sense or realize that certain things which we will or desire are not in harmony or compatible with other things.
It's the nature of mankind.
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: What Of Your Essence?

Postby WendyDarling » Mon Jan 02, 2017 9:24 am

gib wrote:
Maniacal Mongoose wrote:Hows about your mind goes where your will tells it to but those blasted minds do get distracted while your will remains the same constant.


Ok, but then how can your will be unique? What makes my essence quintessentially "gib" and your essence quitessentially "Mongoose"?


Memory. Early on I made mention of memories being erased before the soul enters a body (I have no idea why, but Ecmandu says we sign up to live through contracts throughout eternity- often Truth is stranger than fiction, assuming a newborn's body), however I may remember a bit more than most and lack complete understanding of that too.
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Re: What Of Your Essence?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:28 pm

gib wrote:
Maniacal Mongoose wrote:Hows about your mind goes where your will tells it to but those blasted minds do get distracted while your will remains the same constant.


.... What makes my essence quintessentially "gib" and your essence quitessentially "Mongoose"?


Perhaps the blood of your ancestors which flows through you, along with your individual life experiences which may have even began some moments after conception and how each of you tend to view the world.
Brain chemistry and how our very own individual peculiar minds relate to Everything might have something to do with it too.
A tabula rasa we are not.

It's a very interesting question to ponder.
Let's not forget that our origins are from among the stars.

Aside from that ~~ :chores-chopwood:

Happy New Year, Gib. :evilfun:
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: What Of Your Essence?

Postby WendyDarling » Mon May 15, 2017 6:38 am

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Re: What Of Your Essence?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed May 17, 2017 2:57 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
No two have exactly the same personality so that is your essence


:-k Is one's personality really one's essence?
I would think that one's essence or, at least to me, what makes someone who they truly are, where they "live within their selves" resides in a deeper place than personality.

Many actually do have the same kind of personality I think but not necessarily the same essence.
I think that essence is more "soul-like" but not the soul.

My essence compels me to look up at the stars. Another's might compel him or her to look at the next lamborghini or another's might be to solve the world's greatest newest mathematical equation.
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: What Of Your Essence?

Postby Dan~ » Fri May 26, 2017 12:57 am

WendyDarling wrote:Memory. Early on I made mention of memories being erased before the soul enters a body (I have no idea why, but Ecmandu says we sign up to live through contracts throughout eternity- often Truth is stranger than fiction, assuming a newborn's body), however I may remember a bit more than most and lack complete understanding of that too.


Souls tend to be racist and speciesist to a huge degree.

They think they can choose and take bodies when ever and how ever they want.

They consider bodies as meat and as a box or a car or what ever.
A thing.

And then there is bigger shit exploiting the souls just like they exploit others.

Our essence can change. It can grow and evolve.
But it can't always succeed when it's put on the back burner or left in god's incapable hands.

I will change, i will try my best to change in good ways,
but at the end of the day i am not entirely in control. So, we'll have to wait and see.
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Re: What Of Your Essence?

Postby WendyDarling » Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:35 pm

Our essence can change. It can grow and evolve.
But it can't always succeed when it's put on the back burner or left in god's incapable hands.


Personalities and behaviors can grow and evolve, but not the essence of your soul. What you choose to do with what you have available is the change you are referring to but it doesn't transcend lifetimes as a new you, the essence of the original you remains a fixture that can't be denied.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

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Re: What Of Your Essence?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:14 pm

"WendyDarling

Personalities and behaviors can grow and evolve, but not the essence of your soul.


I wonder about this Wendy. If we are capable of change in the above regard, how could that NOT change our essence?
As we grow, wouldn't we also be capable of taking on a new "essence" or a more transformed one?
As something is affected, something else is also affected.

The essence of our origin which came out of that primordial soup is far different today than it was at that time.




What you choose to do with what you have available is the change you are referring to but it doesn't transcend lifetimes as a new you, the essence of the original you remains a fixture that can't be denied.


Would I be wrong here, as per your above statement, in thinking that essence to you is really the *soul"?
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: What Of Your Essence?

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:15 pm

I wonder about this Wendy. If we are capable of change in the above regard, how could that NOT change our essence?


It's like being born white, while you may tan and act black (like that white chick who ran a chapter of the NAACP posing as an African American because she felt black), your reality is that you are white.
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I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

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Re: What Of Your Essence?

Postby surreptitious57 » Sat Jul 01, 2017 3:47 am

Are you saying that the essence you originally have can never be changed even if you want it to
And if you are what then is the change that inevitably happens to every one over their life time
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Re: What Of Your Essence?

Postby WendyDarling » Sat Jul 01, 2017 3:51 am

Most people are only learning about who they are during their lifetime and who they are does not change from birth to death whatsoever...only their perceptions and behaviors change, not their core self.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: What Of Your Essence?

Postby surreptitious57 » Sat Jul 01, 2017 4:31 am

Perceptions and behaviour are actually determined by your essence
And you can not have one at birth for it has not yet been developed
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Re: What Of Your Essence?

Postby gib » Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:49 am

There are aspects of who we are which are, as they say, hardwired. These tend to be persistent through our lives. But nothing is permanent. Change is a fundamental law of existence.

Sometimes it's a matter how fast things change. Other times it's a matter of how frequently things reacquire their prior states.
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It is impossible for a human being to go through life not thinking irrationally even if they think of themselves as rational
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Re: What Of Your Essence?

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:50 pm

Not everything changes all the time. In my mind's eye you are giborgia and as I finish this sentence you are still giborgia in my mind's eye. Yep, still giborgia. Even as time passed and you and I both aged, you remain giborgia.
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Re: What Of Your Essence?

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:54 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:Perceptions and behaviour are actually determined by your essence
And you can not have one at birth for it has not yet been developed

Your essence is already formed before birth. It transcends time and it never, ever, ever changes. True, your perceptions and behaviors change within the scope of your design as you discover or rediscover who you are, but you don't. You cannot run from yourself. You cannot be another self. There is no changing who you are, just what you choose to do with who you are.
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: What Of Your Essence?

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:01 pm

Change may be an illusion to keep us from boredom.
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I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: What Of Your Essence?

Postby gib » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:05 am

WendyDarling wrote:Not everything changes all the time. In my mind's eye you are giborgia and as I finish this sentence you are still giborgia in my mind's eye. Yep, still giborgia. Even as time passed and you and I both aged, you remain giborgia.


I thought I was gibmegib earlier. ;)

What you're talking about is recurrence of identity. In your mind's eye, the same identity is attributed to me every time you think of me--but then your mind wonders off and thinks of something else. The identity in your mind simply comes back. As for the real me, I am always changing. My body sheds cells and regenerates others. My mind is never still for an instant. But like you, I will always identify myself as 'gib'. But this is a recurrence, not a constant.
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It is impossible for a human being to go through life not thinking irrationally even if they think of themselves as rational
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Re: What Of Your Essence?

Postby WendyDarling » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:03 am

Your immortal soul doesn't change. You are an absolute. <---Yes, I went there. :evilfun: How has your essence changed since you were a child?
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