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Re: anyone in here with a graduate degree

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:16 am

I'm tellin ya man. If you wanna pay those loans off you gotta either be a slave, or find a sucker. When I say sell cars, I mean, you can sell cars, but it's more of a metaphor really. It'll all come to you. Don't worry about what to do with your life. The feeling of having control over what happens to you in the world is an illusion. It's an idealistic illusion dude.
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Re: anyone in here with a graduate degree

Postby captaincrunk » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:20 am

I don't really seek control so much as avoid crushing hopelessness
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Re: anyone in here with a graduate degree

Postby Twilight of the Idols » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:39 am

captaincrunk wrote:I don't really seek control so much as avoid crushing hopelessness


Okay, so face the fucking facts then, if that's what you want to hear: A BA in philosophy is shit. Like, utter, worthless shit. A perfect example of Good Will Hunting's "You dropped all that money on an education you could have got at the public library for a $1.50 in late-charges," yeah?

But at the same time, all that shit they told you (or maybe you read) about a philosophy degree is true, too: the shit you learned and experienced chasing that degree are in fact real skills that every employer looks for, and more importantly, presumably, you've evolved as a person into someone who is ready for whatever you choose to do now.

In terms of "mainstream" what-should-you-do bullshit, your best option is probably law school. But that shit's hard as fuck and lawyers are a dime a dozen on top of that.

I happen to agree with Smears. School is for suckers and so is working for someone else. Beyond that I have no advice. It's your life. And I don't mean that in a "tough shit for you, I don't care" way; I mean, literally, this is your story and you're writing it. No one can truly help you in the existential, life-mission sense of the term.

Best of luck.
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Re: anyone in here with a graduate degree

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:40 am

Man if you read enough philosophy, you'll find a way to convince yourself that hope and hopelessness are the same.
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Re: anyone in here with a graduate degree

Postby captaincrunk » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:45 am

Smears wrote:Man if you read enough philosophy, you'll find a way to convince yourself that hope and hopelessness are the same.

and if I do enough methadone I won't even care about that much

EDIT: I wouldn't trade my current degree (and the experiences and learning that came with it) for very many things. like I said, it's the future I'm thinking about. law school looks like shit from what I've read the last few hours. I'm capable but not motivated enough to sell my soul in marketing just to make 50k a year in profits.
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Re: anyone in here with a graduate degree

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:48 am

captaincrunk wrote:
Smears wrote:Man if you read enough philosophy, you'll find a way to convince yourself that hope and hopelessness are the same.

and if I do enough methadone I won't even care about that much


I dunno man. 2 of my best friends, guys I see all the time have been getting a daily dose since 1999. I can assure you that you can do better than that. You at least went to college, so we know you can show up on time and that you're at least able to remember stuff and repeat it back. Believe it or not a lot of people really can't do that stuff. I mean no shit really.


Here look at this fun thingy. http://www.lawschoolpredictor.com/wp-co ... ograms.htm

And here's a nice site. http://schools.lawschoolnumbers.com/

If you check those out and your soul is still kicking, then I'll send you some more stuff.

When it occurred to me that I could make more money as a crook than as a lawyer, and that I would have to be the biggest fuck up ever to get in the kind of legal trouble that would cost as much as a law degree, I just made the mathematical choice. This way I have a chance of not owing another 100k and I can get in up to 100k worth of legal battles before it's not a good deal.
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Re: anyone in here with a graduate degree

Postby captaincrunk » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:53 am

Smears wrote:
captaincrunk wrote:
Smears wrote:Man if you read enough philosophy, you'll find a way to convince yourself that hope and hopelessness are the same.

and if I do enough methadone I won't even care about that much


I dunno man. 2 of my best friends, guys I see all the time have been getting a daily dose since 1999. I can assure you that you can do better than that. You at least went to college, so we know you can show up on time and that you're at least able to remember stuff and repeat it back. Believe it or not a lot of people really can't do that stuff. I mean no shit really.

I work with drug addicts, most of whom dropped out before the 10th grade.
Smears wrote:Here look at this fun thingy. http://www.lawschoolpredictor.com/wp-co ... ograms.htm

the school I was looking at turns out to be loads better than expected. rank 26. I expected like 260.
Smears wrote:And here's a nice site. http://schools.lawschoolnumbers.com/

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Re: anyone in here with a graduate degree

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:57 am

I work with drug addicts too. When I was a kid my mom worked in a rehab for a while, then a place where they actually still do electro shock therapy. That's beside the point. They're a sick bunch man.
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Re: anyone in here with a graduate degree

Postby captaincrunk » Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:58 am

Smears wrote:I work with drug addicts too. When I was a kid my mom worked in a rehab for a while, then a place where they actually still do electro shock therapy. That's beside the point. They're a sick bunch man.

electro shock therapy can be really helpful for depression and isn't supposed to be so violent as before
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Re: anyone in here with a graduate degree

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:05 am

Yeah sure thing buddy.
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Re: anyone in here with a graduate degree

Postby captaincrunk » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:10 am

I just read a few articles on it last week. it apparently stimulates neural activity when done in really small amounts. they're looking at trying to do the same thing with magnetism or continuous means but it's not very well understood
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Re: anyone in here with a graduate degree

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:23 am

Maybe we can drill holes in their heads too.
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Re: anyone in here with a graduate degree

Postby captaincrunk » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:27 am

why?
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Re: anyone in here with a graduate degree

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:48 am

To let the demons out dude I dunno I'm not a doctor.
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Re: anyone in here with a graduate degree

Postby captaincrunk » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:52 am

Smears wrote:To let the demons out dude I dunno I'm not a doctor.

I don't think it works like that
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Re: anyone in here with a graduate degree

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:53 am

Credible people used to.
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Postby captaincrunk » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:55 am

used to what? have real demons in their heads? there was no mechanism at work that still exists in today's understanding of reality
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Re: anyone in here with a graduate degree

Postby nano-bug » Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:01 am

I think smears was suggesting that those one time credible people are discredited by us today the same way future credible people will discredit us. But I'll let you two go at it.
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Re: anyone in here with a graduate degree

Postby captaincrunk » Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:03 am

nano-bug wrote:I think smears was suggesting that those one time credible people are discredited by us today the same way future credible people will discredit us. But I'll let you two go at it.

shock therapy was discredited, and has resurged through different mechanisms
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Re: anyone in here with a graduate degree

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:36 pm

captaincrunk wrote:
nano-bug wrote:I think smears was suggesting that those one time credible people are discredited by us today the same way future credible people will discredit us. But I'll let you two go at it.

shock therapy was discredited, and has resurged through different mechanisms


Although its still widely incredible to most people.
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Re: anyone in here with a graduate degree

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:37 pm

nano-bug wrote:I think smears was suggesting that those one time credible people are discredited by us today the same way future credible people will discredit us. But I'll let you two go at it.



This is why you should post more. You actually got what I was saying. That's getting a bit rare around here.
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Re: anyone in here with a graduate degree

Postby captaincrunk » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:12 am

Smears wrote:
captaincrunk wrote:
nano-bug wrote:I think smears was suggesting that those one time credible people are discredited by us today the same way future credible people will discredit us. But I'll let you two go at it.

shock therapy was discredited, and has resurged through different mechanisms


Although its still widely incredible to most people.

not most scientists who have read the recent studies
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Re: anyone in here with a graduate degree

Postby captaincrunk » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:43 am

i'm giving more thought into social work. the money would be decent if I went for the good licensing (being male helps too). And I'd have opportunities for doctorates in psychology (mind is my favorite philosophy). does that sound legit to you guys?
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Re: anyone in here with a graduate degree

Postby Mr Reasonable » Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:57 am

Yeah but that's not most scientists. And if you think that a study means shit, or even a handful of them then you're being kinda naive. I can make a study that says the best thing to do is snort cocaine.

Captain don't go to graduate school if it's not free. I have a friend who wanted to study eating disorders and work with people who had em, so she got a B.S. in psych, then went to work at a rehab at an entry level position, kissed some ass and wore a lot of makeup and squeezed her tits together and they offered to pay for her to get a masters in social psychology. It didn't hurt that she was a cheerleader in college and had a handful of eating disorders herself. She was a fine one dude. Next thing you know....the pressure gets to her and she starts misusing her clonapin and when she passed out at her desk there in the rehab they sorta rescinded the offer and I think now she lives in a trailer with some dude who has one of those mustaches and she drags babies around and isn't skinny anymore. Fucked up shit dude.

I spent yesterday talking to a lady who has 2 PhDs and a masters and she's literally already done all the things you wanna do. She's been publishing since the late 70s, she's held high ranking positions in university departments, taught all over the world everything from physics to philosophy to medical ethics you name it. She's flown out to India to do yoga with monks and shit. She speaks 5 or 6 fucking languages. She's probably got 6 figures in liquid assets, all her needs met, and has no idea what to do with her life. The only thing she wants is to talk about philosophy with people who share her interests, and that's just not something she can readily get her hands on I suppose.

Another friend of mine is a pharmacist. He came out of school with 185k, (the full limit) of stafford loans. Worked 60-70 hour weeks for 2 or 3 years straight, lived with his parents the whole time and payed off all those loans, now he doesn't wanna be a pharmacist anymore. He fucking hates it. He thinks he's gonna fuck up and kill someone. His conscience really can't bear it.

Another guy I know is over 100k in debt to the dept of education and has literally gone off the grid. He only communicates with the outside world via satellite internet on this weird secure mail thingy that I don't even really want to talk about. He wants to pay off his loans, but he's afraid he'll go to prison if he starts sending that kind of money without being able to show where it came from.

No matter what you say captain, at the bottom of all this, "i could help others" shit there's a desire of your own. To find a path that's already set for you to live with the kind of freedom that you desire. The problem is that when a path is already set, there just isn't that much freedom in it. Look at what it costs a physician to insure themselves such that they can practice and subtract that from what they make then subtract that they make from what kind of life they expect to live as a doctor and you get a negative number in many cases dude. I know a surgeon who lost his license in one state on a bogus malpractice case where jury sympathy overrode plain reason. He had to completely relocate his family at a point when some of his kids were in college and some in high school. He had real estate that had to be liquidated in the process and he lost a shit ton of what it took him a long time to earn. He's slowly getting back up there, (I mean he's still fucking loaded but by his own standard he's grossly unsatisfied).

I could go on and on man.

If grad school isn't free don't do it.
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Re: anyone in here with a graduate degree

Postby captaincrunk » Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:04 am

Smears wrote:Yeah but that's not most scientists. And if you think that a study means shit, or even a handful of them then you're being kinda naive. I can make a study that says the best thing to do is snort cocaine.

Studies suggest areas worthy of further study.
Smears wrote:Captain don't go to graduate school if it's not free. I have a friend who wanted to study eating disorders and work with people who had em, so she got a B.S. in psych, then went to work at a rehab at an entry level position, kissed some ass and wore a lot of makeup and squeezed her tits together and they offered to pay for her to get a masters in social psychology. It didn't hurt that she was a cheerleader in college and had a handful of eating disorders herself. She was a fine one dude. Next thing you know....the pressure gets to her and she starts misusing her clonapin and when she passed out at her desk there in the rehab they sorta rescinded the offer and I think now she lives in a trailer with some dude who has one of those mustaches and she drags babies around and isn't skinny anymore. Fucked up shit dude.

I don't have a womb, don't worry.
Smears wrote:I spent yesterday talking to a lady who has 2 PhDs and a masters and she's literally already done all the things you wanna do. She's been publishing since the late 70s, she's held high ranking positions in university departments, taught all over the world everything from physics to philosophy to medical ethics you name it. She's flown out to India to do yoga with monks and shit. She speaks 5 or 6 fucking languages. She's probably got 6 figures in liquid assets, all her needs met, and has no idea what to do with her life. The only thing she wants is to talk about philosophy with people who share her interests, and that's just not something she can readily get her hands on I suppose.

she needs to get laid
Smears wrote:Another friend of mine is a pharmacist. He came out of school with 185k, (the full limit) of stafford loans. Worked 60-70 hour weeks for 2 or 3 years straight, lived with his parents the whole time and payed off all those loans, now he doesn't wanna be a pharmacist anymore. He fucking hates it. He thinks he's gonna fuck up and kill someone. His conscience really can't bear it.

haha, sucks to be him
Smears wrote:Another guy I know is over 100k in debt to the dept of education and has literally gone off the grid. He only communicates with the outside world via satellite internet on this weird secure mail thingy that I don't even really want to talk about. He wants to pay off his loans, but he's afraid he'll go to prison if he starts sending that kind of money without being able to show where it came from.

tax evasion is a wonderful thing
Smears wrote:No matter what you say captain, at the bottom of all this, "i could help others" shit there's a desire of your own. To find a path that's already set for you to live with the kind of freedom that you desire. The problem is that when a path is already set, there just isn't that much freedom in it. Look at what it costs a physician to insure themselves such that they can practice and subtract that from what they make then subtract that they make from what kind of life they expect to live as a doctor and you get a negative number in many cases dude. I know a surgeon who lost his license in one state on a bogus malpractice case where jury sympathy overrode plain reason. He had to completely relocate his family at a point when some of his kids were in college and some in high school. He had real estate that had to be liquidated in the process and he lost a shit ton of what it took him a long time to earn. He's slowly getting back up there, (I mean he's still fucking loaded but by his own standard he's grossly unsatisfied).

well it wouldn't cost me much for the social work degree, it's a two year degree that would cost me less than 10 grand I think. maybe less than 5 depending on how overqualified I am. that's the idea of the social work avenue, a reasonably well paying job (around 60k 5 years from now) doing something that isn't just pushing pencils for someone else's fat checkbook.
Smears wrote:I could go on and on man.

If grad school isn't free don't do it.

I wonder if my boss could swing the cost if I agreed to internship there, it's part of an MSW anyway
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